Game of Thrones TV Thread **HBO-Purists ONLY**

[Eric]

Sucks not being able to see a new episode tonight.

Time for True Detective instead.

[wufwugy]

oh schnikeys is td staring again

[wufwugy]

I would be so upset at a Stannis death here that I would say it's enough to finally remove GoT from top ten all time rankings.

He's a tragedy. You don't kill Oedipus before he lives with his fate. You don't spend hours and hours telling the audience your story of Oedipus only to say "loljk" because your budget sucks or you're a shitty writer.

[wufwugy]

Also, are we seriously kidding ourselves about this season? The absolute immunity the bad guys have to any problems is ridiculous. D&D are an open book. GRRM created a great Joffrey and then killed him, and we're left with D&D reimagining a return of Joffrey, yet all we get is Santa Claus Ramsay. He knows your secrets, if you been good, if you've been bad.

[Eric]

"New" Jon Snow Theory: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/game-of-thr...786536655.html

Seems to be a lot of talk around this character...

[rong]

I think this dude nails it:

Of course Melisandre resurrects Jon Snow. The real question is does that mean Jon Snow is released from his vows to the Nights Watch. Then he rallies the Wildings and takes Winterfell.

Meanwhile, Dany brings in her hubby's people, and they attack Kings Landings. Cersei and the mountain almost fend off Dany, but Arya shows up and kills the Mountain before killing Cersei.

Jon Snow in the North and Dany in the South - they form an alliance and unite the lands - only to be faced with the White Walkers. While studying to be a Maester, Sam learns that Dragons are the secret to defeating the White Walkers. The sigil of the new rulers is the Dragon and the Dire Wolfe

Bran? you say. Bran learns how to control the minds of the Dragons. And if Dragon Glass and Dragon Steal can kill the White Walkers, imagine what a real Dragon can do to them.

Of course the Jon and Dany's oldest child will grow up to become become King and with all that inter-marrying, he can't help but have the gene that causes him to become Mad, and the whole thing repeats itself.

See George. It's not that hard.

[Eric]

Yeah, everyone is saying Jon Snow comes back from the dead. Seems to be a given now...

[wufwugy]

I think this dude nails it:

I think that's a troll. If this was LOTR or any other popular fantasy ever written, what that guy said is how it would happen. But GoT deliberately establishes these tropes so they can subverted. That doesn't mean they go to the opposite, but that they are muddied and screwed with.

So yeah, if Jon and Dany are the heroes (they are), there are some hitches to that. It'll be something like they hate each other, one dies yet what they were supposed to do is completed by a non-hero, they were never on the "right" side in the first place, etc.

[rong]

Maybe in the books. This ain't a book no more.

[wufwugy]

the show isn't thematically deviating. s6 is going to wrap up all the thematic developments that have already been written. then s7 will probably jump straight to the endgame that grrm told dnd about.

[Eric]

I was not disappointed with the first episode of s6. It seemed like Jon Snow was in a lot of scenes despite the fact that he's dead right now...

[Eric]

Also, it was bizarre seeing the red witch without her necklace. Didn't know she's like the mom from Tangled.

[rong]

She was once naked in a bath tub on screen without the necklace. So its not just the necklace.

[givememyleg]

Can't complain with ep1, it covered pretty much every story line. Very interested to see where it goes. Hate waiting, wish GoT releases were like House of Cards. It's cool that HBO Now is available without a cable sub, not sure how long it's been like that but I was able to watch it right as it went like at 9pm et with absolutely no streaming issues.

[givememyleg]

She was once naked in a bath tub on screen without the necklace. So its not just the necklace.

Just for, uh, confirmation of this... NSFW in spoiler.

Spoiler: Show

[boost]

Maybe she had her ruby encrusted clit piercing in.

[JKDS]

Maybe i'm jaded right now, but I thought this episode was boring.

[boost]

Maybe i'm jaded right now, but I thought this episode was boring.

I felt like something was up-- and typically when I can't put my finger on it, it's editing or directing. That's not a knock on the editing or directing. I'm guessing this sort of catch up episode that visits so many arcs is quite hard to pull off and give a semblance of continuity. It wasn't bad, but it's an episode they needed to show, not wanted to make.

[wufwugy]

i liked it more on second watch.

[Juked07]

i liked it more on second watch.

should jon snow get a second watch?

[wufwugy]

unbound to vows after revival.

[rong]

unbound to vows after revival.

He's gonna bang the old witch. And yes, I would, as long as she promised not to turn old midway through.

[JKDS]

I think she's old because she already helped Jon off scene. That would be a plausible reason for the change

[boost]

I think the scene had far less story relevance than that, JKDS. My read is it was a world building scene-- Similar to us seeing Pycell getting all limber and doing stretches that defy the age he portrays, or Jaqen Hagar revealing that the face we'd come to love is not his face at all. Both of those had some story implications, but more than anything they helped to make Planetos an even more curious world.

[wufwugy]

i think it shows her destitution and losing her faith. she seemed to be cold by the fire.

[JKDS]

Hrmmmmm she did get a blanket didnt she. Hrmmmmm

[wufwugy]

given how d&d do these things, Meli losing her faith is prerequisite for a surprise resurgence of great magic.

it's like how they only kill somebody if all our hopes and dreams are riding on them or if they have a coming to jesus moment. the opposite is also true, when somebody is destitute, they couldn't be more important and great power awaits them.

[JKDS]

I didnt get an "ominous" vibe from the scene. Perhaps that rules out her being a pretender of the faith or something. It was more of a sad, depressing vibe.

Maybe its cuz her homeboy stannis is dead? She was convinced he was the juggernaut, maybe she did lose faith.

[boost]

Cold by the fire/blanket, nice spots! Good analysis. Can't wait for Sunday..

[givememyleg]

JONSNOW

[Eric]

I think she's old because she already helped Jon off scene. That would be a plausible reason for the change

Interesting. The camera made it look like the wolf is key.

The ending of episode 2 was awesome.

[rong]

I dunno man, after all the killings I feel we're lacking a bit of leadership. I'm low on people I care about.

[wufwugy]

Who wins in a fight: FrankenMountain vs Ser Twenty of House Goodmen?

[boost]

Who wins in a fight: FrankenMountain vs Ser Twenty of House Goodmen?

The latter being the Lannister soldiers? I mean, not that it matters, any group of twenty nameless men (not those nameless men..) living on Planetos are going to lose to Franken Mountain.

[wufwugy]

Felt like making a "Ramsay's plot armor 20 good men that decimated Stannis" from last season joke.

[boost]

Hahaha, that is top notch.

[JKDS]

Alright, so she's still powerful enough to [spoiler] [spoiler] [spoiler] [spoiler]. Now why the fuck was she a freaking grandma?

[JKDS]

Also, I'm tired of being shown how overpowered the church suddenly is. Do the Lannisters just not have an army anymore? Are we saying that if Dany came by, riding on her single dragon, that she'd just win by default because there is no one to fight her?

I was really hoping for Jamie to fuck some bitches up, but then hes made to be just as powerless as every other lannister.

AND ANOTHER THING, Tyrion better fucking ride a dragon, I swear to gawwwd.

[wufwugy]

Oh lord the last thing I want is Tyrion Targaryen.

The power of the Faith Militant looks silly on the surface since it's not illustrated that well, but if you extrapolate it can make sense. Mace Tyrell could easily lead a small force to slaughter every last one of them, but would lose his children at the same time. The Lannisters are likely so unpopular that their legitimacy hangs by a thread. Killing the Faith Militant would likely create a serious revolt among the people. While it will probably come to this, it can also be a reason for hesitation.

[boost]

Yeah, it's not that they are super strong, it's that they've managed to position themselves in an incredibly strong way, with a lot of thanks to Cersei's paranoia.

[baudib]

I'd guess that the Faith Militant is something akin to the power of the Roman Catholic Church during the Crusades, where the pope has wide power and influence and even sway over kings and nobles.

He's not Cardinal Richelieu, who's actively engaged in the political maneuvering of the day; he's closer to an influential Al Qaeda-affiliated imam.

[baudib]

Apparently a lot of dirty book readers are outraged over the ending of last night's episode, insisting that GRRM specified that Dany only survived the Khal Drogo funeral pyre because of nasty blood magic, not some Targaryen tolerance for fire.

Of course this is ultra life nitty and ignores the fact that Dany being able to survive flames has long been a theme on the show. From her first episode we see that she is not in the least bothered by scalding hot bath water. When Viserys is killed, she says, "He is not the dragon, flames cannot kill the dragon," strongly implying that she knows that she IS the Dragon.

[Eric]

Yeah, it's hard to believe the Faith Militant could become so powerful. Imagine what Joffrey would have done to them if he was still alive...

[oskar]

Oh lord the last thing I want is Tyrion Targaryen.

The power of the Faith Militant looks silly on the surface since it's not illustrated that well, but if you extrapolate it can make sense. Mace Tyrell could easily lead a small force to slaughter every last one of them, but would lose his children at the same time. The Lannisters are likely so unpopular that their legitimacy hangs by a thread. Killing the Faith Militant would likely create a serious revolt among the people. While it will probably come to this, it can also be a reason for hesitation.

When they took over the city last season I was just assuming that there was a buildup that just wasn't shown because there's already too many story lines going on at the same time. I immediately thought of the Dan Carlin podcast Prophets of Doom about the occupation of Münster by the anababtists in the 1500's. Which is a real life example of a Marilyn Manson type sect taking control over a whole city. From that perspective I had no problem with it.

Over 4h, but worth it imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x79MW1gWtJ8

[givememyleg]

[wufwugy]

great fucking ep, but im not a fan of the time travel stuff.

this ep confirmed a handful of theories (hodor caused by bran-to-the-past warging, walkers created by children to stop humans), and i think several of the theories that just hit reddit will come true.

[Eric]

Wow, hold the door is right.

[baudib]

To me it was pretty obvious that the Three-Eyed Raven was lying when he told Bran that the past was written, "the ink is dry" etc.

The theory is that Bran is responsible for all of the major events in Game of Thrones, including Robert's Rebellion, that he drove the Mad King mad.

My personal theory is that Bran beseeches House Targaryen to aid in the battle against the White Walkers, with the plea of "Burn them all!" as Aerys' "Hold the door!"

[wufwugy]

the past was written though. hodor became hodor before bran hodor'd him because bran always hodor'd him.

[wufwugy]

pieces of my endgame predictions:

aJor ahai lives through the end as the night's watch lord commander.

jon becomes the new night's king.

arya kills dany.



the actress that plays kinvara is fucking hot.

[wufwugy]

i'll be honest, hold the door was not an upsetting scene to me. probably because the time travel bullshit nullifies drama greatly, and oberyn martel headsquash exists.

[wufwugy]

plus it was a "good" death. when was the last time in this show that somebody died heroically? nobody in this thing gets to sacrifice themselves for the good of others. the death was almost uplifting imo

[wufwugy]

the wolves are symbolic.

lady dying shows sansa's lady sensibilities dying. shortly after her dog died, she lost all the elements that made her a "lady".

summer's death signifies that winter can't be stopped anymore.

grey wind's death signifies the death of the grey wind (the stark's dominance in battle and in status)

nymeria being lost signifies arya being lost

ghost being alive and well signifies jon being alive and well.

shaggydog signifies rickon being a shaggy story (something that ends with no purpose). except that this trope is likely to be subverted and rickon's story will end with significance.

[Eric]

plus it was a "good" death. when was the last time in this show that somebody died heroically? nobody in this thing gets to sacrifice themselves for the good of others. the death was almost uplifting imo

True, it was a "good" death.

[boost]

i'll be honest, hold the door was not an upsetting scene to me. probably because the time travel bullshit nullifies drama greatly, and oberyn martel headsquash exists.

[wufwugy]

it means more after having thought about what it means and watching again. i've changed my mind. it's brilliant writing.

hodor always knew he was going to die holding the door because he experienced it as wyllas. bran warged wyllas, not hodor, so it was hodor, with full mental capacity, holding the door, knowing he was fulfilling his destiny. it was a destiny he feared. previous times in the show when shit would hit the fan, he would panic, possibly becuase he didnt know if this was the time where he would hold the door. even as hodor carried bran everywhere from the very beginning, he knew bran caused this. he didnt reject his fate. he lived his entire life knowing the day he would die. it was a burden he would bear alone.

[JKDS]

After watching, I feel spoon fed.

[rong]

Why did the tree child not just throw the grenade? There was no need to sacrifice herself. None at all.

[a500lbgorilla]

I've been sick for like 3 days now, so I'm all caught up on GoT and I've got to say it's incredible.

[wufwugy]

if tormund or brienne die this season, im done.

YOU HEAR ME?! IM DONE!

[a500lbgorilla]

ALL MEN MUST DIE, tho

[wufwugy]

im srs. it's a bridge too far. you dont dangle the most hilariously awesome romance ever in front of me then snatch it away.

[a500lbgorilla]

He does look like "she's the biggest woman I've ever seen!"

[spoonitnow]

can i just say it's this kind of time travel horse shit that really fucked up ff8 for me

[a500lbgorilla]

Closed loop! Closed loop!

Is this gonna air today or are they skipping for the holiday weekend?

[Eric]

It was another good episode last night imo. There seems to be a lot more action this season than last season.

[givememyleg]

It was another good episode last night imo. There seems to be a lot more action this season than last season.

i'm sick of seeing goldie locks stand in fire and ride dragons and rally troops and say how she's going to conquer the world, then do nothing. i hope she actually does this season.

can't wait to see arya kill the weird servant.

there are a lot of paths that could go in so many different directions, so yeah all in all loving this season so far.

[wufwugy]

personal prediction: dany will lose most of her dothraki and ships in a storm in the narrow sea just like the mongols did when invading japan. it ain't called storm's end for no reason.

[oskar]

I agree. I think Dany is done, but it has to be something more clever than the obvious: sending thousands of men who have never sailed and never seen ice and snow in leather armor across the sea to fight an army of knights in a thousand year long winter. The last two episodes were fantastic. I am so happy about how the story lines of Arya and King's Landing are panning out. Even after the entirety of last season it's still satisfying to see Cercei getting fucked... Sam might finally see some character development that fits his story and Arya is going to kick so much ass before this season is over.

[rong]

Agree most of dothracki die via shipping issues. But I think she's destined to meet up with John snow the other side and together they go for the throne. Those dragons are destined for the final battle either against Kings landing for iron throne or the night walkers.

[Eric]

Yeah, the scenes with Dany are getting worse.

[wufwugy]

id prefer her not even in the show by now.

[Eric]

id prefer her not even in the show by now.

Yup, I especially hate the parts that remind me of the dragon skit on Saturday Night Live.

[wufwugy]

id be tickled pink if the real shaggy dog story is dany. let's have a giant kraken emerge during a storm and swallow her and her stupid dragons.

i dont think rickon will be a shaggy dog story, but will be a subversion of the trope. he'll probably sit winterfell by the end or something.

[JKDS]

Dany's wasteland exists only because she does. Because of that, she and at least 1 dragon have plot armor.

Think of like, Jon. He isnt necessary. The wall lives on, zombies still rage.

Cersei? Kingslanding is still there. She could die next episode, wouldnt matter.

Kill Tyrion? Still doesnt matter.

But you cant kill Dany. There is literally no reason to even look at her location without her. The entire storyline would be just a distraction from the zombies and impending peril, and that isnt what GRRM is about. He kills characters all the time, but they all have a purpose. Dany's purpose hasnt been revealed yet. None of what she does matters at this point in the story, and she wont die before her storyline eventually impacts the rest of the world.