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Old 11-30-2008, 10:01 PM     Post subject: Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucck Yooooooooooooou Sooooooooooonerrrrrrrrrs #1 (permalink)  
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This is bullshit.

We should just play again in the Big 12 championship goddammit.

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 can someone explain to me why every voter is so high on UF seeing how they lost AT HOME to one of the worst teams in a BCS league?

Also, OU looks a lot better than Texas right now, but I dont see how coaches can rank them ahead of TU and sleep well at night. You mean to tell me that if they were in Texas' shoes they wouldn't be bitching for a year about beating a team that's ahead of them in the rankings.

I mean, your one loss was on a last-second TD on the road to the team ranked 2nd in the nation at the time. Florida's one-loss is the worst of the bunch, then USC's, then TTU's b/c of margin, then OU, then TU.

It's funny, let's look at these scenarios

1. Alabama loses on last second FG to UF in SEC title game to lose by 1. OU beats Mizzou, but not impressively in the Big 12 Title game.

So, we now have four 1-loss teams (let's excluse PSU and USC), you cannot automatically say Alabama drops past #2 b/c they just lost on a neutral site in a tight game to one of the best teams in the nation. Does this mean UF and Alabama play in the nat'l title game?

2. OU loses to Mizzou in a shoot out and Florida scrapes by Bama

Does this mean it's Texas vs UF in the Nat'l title game? Or, once again does Bama fall below Texas? Look at Bama's body of work, they've won a few tough games on the ROAD this year, by far and away the most important stat I look at (after watching TTU own at home and get pwned on the road).
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can someone explain to me why every voter is so high on UF seeing how they lost AT HOME to one of the worst teams in a BCS league?
Ole Miss is not a bad team, they are 8-4 right now and ranked #23 in the AP poll and #25 in the coaches poll. Yeah Florida should have won that game but look at their schedule: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=57 They have straight up demolished every team they have played with the exception of a one point loss to a ranked team.

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Also, OU looks a lot better than Texas right now, but I dont see how coaches can rank them ahead of TU and sleep well at night. You mean to tell me that if they were in Texas' shoes they wouldn't be bitching for a year about beating a team that's ahead of them in the rankings.
OK so put Texas ahead of OU, then the Texas Tech fans have the same complaint. Because each of those three teams have one loss all being to one of the other teams, its just a big clusterfuck and the voters have to go with the team that is playing the best right now, which is clearly OU.

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1. Alabama loses on last second FG to UF in SEC title game to lose by 1. OU beats Mizzou, but not impressively in the Big 12 Title game.

So, we now have four 1-loss teams (let's excluse PSU and USC), you cannot automatically say Alabama drops past #2 b/c they just lost on a neutral site in a tight game to one of the best teams in the nation. Does this mean UF and Alabama play in the nat'l title game?
The BCS committee would not allow two teams from the same conference to play in the national title game even if the two best teams in the country were from the same conference. Fair or not, it just wouldn't happen. The bottom line is that if UF and OU both win, they would both play in the title game.

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2. OU loses to Mizzou in a shoot out and Florida scrapes by Bama

Does this mean it's Texas vs UF in the Nat'l title game? Or, once again does Bama fall below Texas? Look at Bama's body of work, they've won a few tough games on the ROAD this year, by far and away the most important stat I look at (after watching TTU own at home and get pwned on the road).
If OU loses we would have total chaos. UF would be in but the 2nd team would be up in the air. All I could say for sure in that scenario is that Alabama and OU would not be in the title game. Even if Bama's body of work is the best, it would be a situation similar to two years ago when Michigan lost to undefeated OSU and it was between UofM and Florida for the 2nd title game spot. Michigan had already "had their shot" at OSU so Florida went (and killed OSU). OU would have two losses and would clearly be elminated from the title game. As a side note to this, Missouri would have the Big 12's automatic BCS bid and there would only be one bid left for either OU/UT/TT which is lol since all of those teams are better than Missouri. Anyway, if this scenario happens, I would expect it to be either UF vs Texas or UF vs USC.

Edit: Actually, to add to this 2nd scenario, the BCS wouldn't put a team in the title game that hadn't won its own conference. If the 2nd scenario happened, I am convinced the title game would be UF vs USC (assuming USC takes care of business in the Pac-10 title game).
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 there's no PAC-10 title game, it's just end of the year USC vs UCLA that's left for the Trojans. No way can you put them ahead of Texas if OU loses to Mizzou btw.

Big 12/SEC/ACC have title games b/c they have 12-team (divisional) conferences.
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there's no PAC-10 title game, it's just end of the year USC vs UCLA that's left for the Trojans. No way can you put them ahead of Texas if OU loses to Mizzou btw.
Like I said, the BCS won't put a team in the title game that hasn't won its own conference. I'm not saying this is fair, but its just the way things are. Also, using your logic + this scenario, can you really justify putting Texas in the title game over Texas Tech? If scenario #2 happens, it's UF vs USC.

On another note, I think we all need to thank Iowa for beating Penn State because if they hadn't, we would be looking at a Penn State vs Bama/Florida title game (30 pt blowout).

And yeah, I knew USC had a game left, forgot there was no Pac-10 title game.
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there's no PAC-10 title game, it's just end of the year USC vs UCLA that's left for the Trojans. No way can you put them ahead of Texas if OU loses to Mizzou btw.
Like I said, the BCS won't put a team in the title game that hasn't won its own conference. I'm not saying this is fair, but its just the way things are. Also, using your logic + this scenario, can you really justify putting Texas in the title game over Texas Tech? If scenario #2 happens, it's UF vs USC.

On another note, I think we all need to thank Iowa for beating Penn State because if they hadn't, we would be looking at a Penn State vs Bama/Florida title game (30 pt blowout).

And yeah, I knew USC had a game left, forgot there was no Pac-10 title game.
Well, yes you *can* put Texas over TT. Our loss wasn't ridiculously embarassing and by 40 some odd points.

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 Texas has looked a lot better than Tech and the loss was @ Lubbock. If the game had been in Austin Texas probably wins by 10+. TTU just barely beat Baylor AT HOME and lost Crabtree for the game (season?).

Do you like my rankings of the 1-loss teams strength of loss that I posted earlier (from best to worst). I didn't realize Ole Miss didn't suck this year, but I think the entire SEC is overrated this year and really hope the nat'l title game and another BCS game would pit a Big 12 team vs. an SEC team.

1. Texas loses to #2 TTU on the road on last second TD
2. OU loses by 10 on neutral site to a top-5 ranked Texas team
3. USC loses on the road by 6 to a mediocre Oregon State team (who'd they beat besides USC and Cal?)
4a. TTU loses by 44 on the road to arguably the hottest team in the nation
4b. Florida loses AT HOME to an un-ranked (at the time) Ole Miss team.
6. PSU loses to Iowa (forgot to mention this cuz it's just so LOL anyways)
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Old 11-30-2008, 11:24 PM #9 (permalink)  
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there's no PAC-10 title game, it's just end of the year USC vs UCLA that's left for the Trojans. No way can you put them ahead of Texas if OU loses to Mizzou btw.
Like I said, the BCS won't put a team in the title game that hasn't won its own conference. I'm not saying this is fair, but its just the way things are. Also, using your logic + this scenario, can you really justify putting Texas in the title game over Texas Tech? If scenario #2 happens, it's UF vs USC.

On another note, I think we all need to thank Iowa for beating Penn State because if they hadn't, we would be looking at a Penn State vs Bama/Florida title game (30 pt blowout).

And yeah, I knew USC had a game left, forgot there was no Pac-10 title game.
Well, yes you *can* put Texas over TT. Our loss wasn't ridiculously embarassing and by 40 some odd points.
OK so by that logic, you must agree that OU deserves to be in the Big 12 title game since between OU and Texas, Texas lost to the worst team.
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there's no PAC-10 title game, it's just end of the year USC vs UCLA that's left for the Trojans. No way can you put them ahead of Texas if OU loses to Mizzou btw.
Like I said, the BCS won't put a team in the title game that hasn't won its own conference. I'm not saying this is fair, but its just the way things are. Also, using your logic + this scenario, can you really justify putting Texas in the title game over Texas Tech? If scenario #2 happens, it's UF vs USC.

On another note, I think we all need to thank Iowa for beating Penn State because if they hadn't, we would be looking at a Penn State vs Bama/Florida title game (30 pt blowout).

And yeah, I knew USC had a game left, forgot there was no Pac-10 title game.
Well, yes you *can* put Texas over TT. Our loss wasn't ridiculously embarassing and by 40 some odd points.
OK so by that logic, you must agree that OU deserves to be in the Big 12 title game since between OU and Texas, Texas lost to the worst team.
Well, no. My logic is quality of loss.

OU's loss was
*on a neutral field
*by 10
*to the #5 ranked team in the country at the time

UT's loss was
*away
*by 4
*to the #1 ranked team in the country at the time

TT's loss was
*away
*by 40-something : the 2nd worst margin loss by a $2 ranked team in NCAA history
* to the #4 (?) team in the country at the time

OU's loss is worse than UT's loss, looking at that.

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Old 11-30-2008, 11:29 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 I heard this point that I liked last night:

no one is bashing the Big 12 for using the BCS as it's tiebreaker
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Texas has looked a lot better than Tech and the loss was @ Lubbock. If the game had been in Austin Texas probably wins by 10+. TTU just barely beat Baylor AT HOME and lost Crabtree for the game (season?).

Do you like my rankings of the 1-loss teams strength of loss that I posted earlier (from best to worst). I didn't realize Ole Miss didn't suck this year, but I think the entire SEC is overrated this year and really hope the nat'l title game and another BCS game would pit a Big 12 team vs. an SEC team.

1. Texas loses to #2 TTU on the road on last second TD
2. OU loses by 10 on neutral site to a top-5 ranked Texas team
3. USC loses on the road by 6 to a mediocre Oregon State team (who'd they beat besides USC and Cal?)
4a. TTU loses by 44 on the road to arguably the hottest team in the nation
4b. Florida loses AT HOME to an un-ranked (at the time) Ole Miss team.
6. PSU loses to Iowa (forgot to mention this cuz it's just so LOL anyways)
The rankings are fine but the thing is, you're trying to argue that the two best teams deserve to be in the title game. The way the BCS is setup, that's not always the way it works. The system is flawed.
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Uhh Lee? I believe Texas Tech was ranked 7th or around there when they beat Texas. The #1 team at the time when Texas lost was Texas.
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 well the 2-best teams are totally subjective anyways if you use coaches/voters rankings.

I'd say the two best teams in the nation are OU/TU, others would say it's UF/Bama or USC/UF or USC/OU, etc....

so in the end we really don't know.

8-team playoff from the AP Poll:

1st round
Bama vs Tech
UF vs Utah
Penn St vs Texas
OU vs USC

Coaches Poll
Tech vs Bama
Utah vs OU
texas vs Penn St
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so in the end we really don't know.
Exactly, this system is f*cked.
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 OK, propose a better system
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OK, propose a better system
There isn't. This flawed system is the only feasible one we have.

Also, for those who support an 8 team playoff: College Football isn't going to sacrifice the millions of dollars they get from advertising in the BCS bowls. (The "Tostito's National Quarterfinal Game" just doesn't have the same ring to it as the "Tostito's Fiesta Bowl"). Plus if you put in an 8 team playoff, then how do you choose the 8 teams? You would run into the same problems choosing the top 8 teams as we do now choosing the top 2 teams.
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The system is flawed and will probably never be perfect. That said, the current system is waaaaaaay better than an end-of-the-year tournament, imo. All games leading up to the college bowl season matter, even games in September and October. No other sport is comparable.


 
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so in the end we really don't know.
Exactly, this system is f*cked.
I concur.

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I heard this point that I liked last night:

no one is bashing the Big 12 for using the BCS as it's tiebreaker
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That's because, in the end, the blame for this mess lies at the feet not of the BCS but of the Big 12. The Big 12 tiebreaker states that in the event of a three-way tie in which all other tiebreakers have been exhausted, the team rated highest in the BCS will be the division champion.

The Southeastern Conference tiebreaker says that in the event of a three-way tie, the team that is rated the highest will be the division champion unless the second-highest team is within five places in the BCS standings. Then it reverts to head-to-head competition. You can bet emphasis is added. And you can bet that the Big 12 will revisit this rule after the season
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The reason the system is fucked is because the College football system currently in place was not designed with the intent, nor purpose of crowning a national champion.

Until the re-align the system to keep the football powerhouse schools playing eachother and not picking on cupcakes for a good portion of the season can we decide who the best is.

The best thing that could ever exist is a parity based system, but then we'd end up with a team at the top that has a dearth of kids leave for the pro's that would start the next year in a freefall because they ended the year #5.

But in order to establish a parity system, you couldn't release a schedule until after every game had been played that weekend. Then you'd re-align due to wins/losses, and establish the next weeks schedule.

The BCS would never go for that, because all the Bowls would have already occured by about week 10. Which is another consideration that they have. The bowls are about $$ more than they are the purity of the sport. Until that shit is taken care of... the BCS can go fuck itself.
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 some team(s) is/are going to get screwed regardless.. it happens every year.

also I remember clearly saying about 5 times at the start of the year when the annual bcs clusterfuck comes up, who beat who is of so little importance because that argument can be twisted and used in so many ways. I think I pointed it out when NE beat NYJ on the road, NYJ beat MIA on the road, and MIA beat NE on the road.

similar stuff happening right now with UT, OU, and TTU.

It will always be like this with the crappy system that's in place.
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"The Southeastern Conference tiebreaker says that in the event of a three-way tie, the team that is rated the highest will be the division champion unless the second-highest team is within five places in the BCS standings. Then it reverts to head-to-head competition. "

I would be willing to bet that the Big 12 has this same type of clause in their tiebreaker system within a couple of years, if not sooner.

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Tom your opinion does not matter b/c you blew Will and I off the other night
yeah I was def too lazy to drive back to Austin just to go back in the morning. That was a bad plan.

and if gators jump UT too I'll vow to never visit Florida ever. Obv this causes heartache!
 
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