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09-09-2007, 07:39 AM
Post subject: Fuck the UFC!!
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They totally screwed Matt Hamill out of a sure victory. There is no way I can respect that decision. It was clearly wrong, and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
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agreed, he got the bes tof bisping or w/e
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It was a pretty shitty fight, they both shouldve lost.
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Fuck the judges*
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Agree Hammill won the fight, probably the first time I've have not really agreed with the judges decision in a fight.
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LOL just messing around, had a few beers in me last night.
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How about the judge who gave all 3 rounds to Hammill though?
It's not a fucking wrestling match, it's MMA, two half-hearted takedowns don't give you the third round that Bispeng flat-out dominated.
I wanted a 4th round, why can't these guys go another round?
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If they held that fight in the US the crowd would have been screaming BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT!!!!!
3 judges 10-point must is a terrible way to score MMA.
Hammill dominated the fight until he ran out of gas, for 1 1/2 rounds he owned Bispeng but never got the break he needed to finish. For the rest of the fight it was back and forth. Probably if it went 5 rounds Hammil would have collapsed short of a major break. That said, I still think Hammil should have won on points.
Hammill with some better enduance training would be really fearsome.
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I think not being able to hear during the round really hurts his chances against better fighters who really know how to adjust. I'm not a fighter, anyone out there have any thoughts about this?
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I'm not sure how bad not being able to hear would affect someone in a fight. I know that I have used the advice that my corner yells plenty of times. So, it would probably hinder me a little. However, it may allow better focus on your opponent, which is somewhat of a problem for fighters when there is a large crowd. As pros they shouldn't have that problem as much though.
As for the fight, there is no way that Bisping was aggressive enough to take that last round and even tie the match. I scored it 30-27 Hamill. You can argue that it was closer than that, but you can't argue that Bisping won. There is no way in hell. That was the most blatant bad call in UFC history.
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Originally Posted by Unibomber14
That was the most blatant bad call in UFC history.
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I've seen bad decisions before. Apparently part of what is killing boxing though is that shit like this isn't that uncommon.
At the very least, I'd like to see them use 5 judges. Fail that, there is a lot of great reasearch on how to vote and judge stuff fairly, I think you can do a lot better than 10 point must. Finally, I see nothing wrong with being able to call a match a draw.
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Finally, I see nothing wrong with being able to call a match a draw.
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Tito Ortiz-vs-Rashad Evans
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As for the fight, there is no way that Bisping was aggressive enough to take that last round and even tie the match. I scored it 30-27 Hamill.
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your serious? Bispeng wins the 3rd round if it's a flat-out wrestling match, he blocked numerous takedown attempts and escaped the successful attempts easily. Add in the fact that he probably landed 20+ strikes in that round makes it easily his IMO.
Once again, I'll remind you that I'm just a fan with probably way too strong of an opinion.
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28-27 Hamill gg thx
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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28-27 Hamill gg thx
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Originally Posted by Unibomber14
That was the most blatant bad call in UFC history.
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I've seen bad decisions before. Apparently part of what is killing boxing though is that shit like this isn't that uncommon. |
I'm a boxing fan, but didn't see this UFC fight.
Boxing judges definitely are not an asset to the sport. What all of these sports need is a national (intn'l?) commision. Like the NFL. The refs in the NFL are hired/fired based on the quality of decisions that they make. In boxing and other fighting sports, the judges are chosen by the fight promoters, without any necessary regard for experience or history. If I was an associate of Don King or one of the State commissioners, I could be a judge for a title fight. Dunno about UFC, but in boxing, the judges and the referee are more of a subject of contract negotiation. Terrible play, IMO. European fight judges are notoriously biased to the European style of fighting. It's probably the same in the US vs fighters from other countries.
Irrelevant, but I also despise the State commissioners who will commission a lopsided fight to improve a particular fighter's record, and potentially jeopardize the health of a less experienced fighter. The mid-west is notorious for allowing weak fighters to build up a marvelous looking record with such mis-matches.
John McCann has been lobbying for such an international commission for quite awhile. But I don't think it needs to be a matter of gov't.
Abandon the corrupt WBO, WBC, etc. Will never happen.
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Note from one of the judges:
"Hello to everyone on the Underground. I have been reading the underground for years. I used to post quite a bit. Then I decided it would be better for me to stay out of all the arguments. I want to thank all of you guys for being so nice to me through the years. I have seen almost no negative posts about me here until now.
I first started judging the UFC in 1996. I have been judging UFC almost twice as long as any other active judge. I am a former kick boxer and have been training grappling for 13 years. I am not here to argue with any of you or tell you that your opinion is wrong. I am only going to tell you why I judged the fight the way I did. Watch the fight again and turn off the sound. Commentary can color what you see.
No doubt Bisping dominated the 1st. He hurt Bisping with a right hand right off the bat and again near the end of the round. He out scored Bisping and busted him up. It was a very impressive round for Hamill but still a 10-9 round. Not dominate enough for a 10-8.
Watch the beginning of the second round closely. When Hamill throws the jab, Bisping slips the punch and hits him with his own counter jab. It is hard to see on camera because Hamill's back is to the camera. His back was also to Goldie who was talking like the beginning of this round was like a continuation of the 1st. If you look you will see that Hamill is facing me giving me a clear view of what is landing.
Bisping was landing the jab again and again and not getting hit. Hamill got 2 takedowns in rounds 2 and 3 but did very little with them. Bisping is using an active guard trying to turn for armbars and sweeps, Hamill is doing very little on top. Bisping is keeping him from scoring or improving his position. In the 3rd round Bisping actually lands more punchesd from the bottom than Hamill does from the top.
In both the 2nd and 3rd rounds Bisping does more scoring. Striking. Under pride style scoring Hamill would have won. He did more damage, but it was all in the 1st round. By 10 point must system Bisping won the fight 2 rounds to 1 . 29-28 Bisping. Sometime the angle you see the fight effects your decision. That is why they put the judges on 3 different sides.
BY THE WAY MARIO YAMASAKI THOUGHT BISPING WON ROUNDS 2 AND 3 ALSO. MARIO WAS THE REF AND HAD A BETTER VIEW THAN ANY OF US. I have never taken a payoff as some of you have suggested and never will.
You may not agree with my decision but please don't question my honesty.
Thank you Jeff Mullen "
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