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JeffreyGB
Old 04-14-2005, 07:28 AM     Post subject: FTR Chess Tournament #1 (permalink)  
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Several of us were talking in IRC and we concluded that there needed to be an FTR chess tournament. Further, we decided we should put some money on it!

Here's the way it's going to work:
A win will earn you a point; a tie will earn you half a point; a loss earns you nothing. We'll start the games as soon as soon as we have enough people signed up, however more can continue to sign up for a while, until we start round 2. In all rounds after round 1, you'll be matched against someone with as close to your score as possible. After 5 rounds, whoever is in the top 4 positions get paid (unless we have a really low turn out, in which case that'll change to top 3 or top 2).

$5 buy-in, (payment means TBA). I can hold the money, or we can ask one of the admins here to do it.

I'm thinking the payout structure would be something like this:
Over 10 people:
1 = 50%
2 = 25%
3 = 15%
4 = 10%

10 or less:
1 = 50%
2 = 30%
3 = 20%

5 or less:
1 = 70%
2 = 30%

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Old 04-14-2005, 07:37 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I'm very interested as long as its a live-ish game and not one like pawn-C4 or crap like that :P.

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Old 04-14-2005, 08:45 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I'm interested. Playing at MS gaming zone? or yahoo?

When?
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Old 04-14-2005, 04:27 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I'll play if we're talking about online play with 5/0 or so time parameters. I'm not up for long games or 1/0 2/0 blitz.
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Old 04-14-2005, 05:06 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I'd expect something more like 15/0
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Old 04-14-2005, 05:10 PM #6 (permalink)  
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i don't know what that means but i'm interested. i suck as far as i remember.
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Old 04-14-2005, 06:04 PM #7 (permalink)  
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What kind of level of play are you guys at? I'm pretty much a chess fish. I used to play in high school, but not very well ....
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I consider myself pretty good...
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Old 04-14-2005, 06:46 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Back when I was 13 I won the BC Junior Chess Championship and got to go to Ontario for the National Finals. Since then, I've played leisurely but not competatively. We used to train on programs like computer chess programs, and we'd practice beating them.

But like I said im not nearly as good as I was, but I still consider myself a good player.

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Old 04-14-2005, 07:03 PM #10 (permalink)  
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So you guys have like tons of openings memorized? What's your favorite?
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cant say, you'll play me and find out in the tournament maybe? :P

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Old 04-14-2005, 07:08 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I doubt it. You guys sound too good for me. I need an edge to play!
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Old 04-14-2005, 07:10 PM #13 (permalink)  
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aww cmon its only $5 lol

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Old 04-14-2005, 07:14 PM #14 (permalink)  
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aww cmon its only $5 lol
That's true ....

What does 15/0 mean above?
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Old 04-14-2005, 08:57 PM #15 (permalink)  
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It refers to the time limits that you can set. 15 minutes for the game to play out (per side). If you run out of time, you lose. In the end, all of that is implemented by the game server. All you have to do is set it for 15 minutes.
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Old 04-14-2005, 08:59 PM #16 (permalink)  
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So you guys have like tons of openings memorized? What's your favorite?
Actually, I don't have that many openings memorized...used to have a few, but I've gotten out of practice. For a look at my style though, you could do a search for Chess and find the thread in which I killed a500lbgorilla.
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Old 04-14-2005, 09:13 PM #17 (permalink)  
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I doubt I would lose as much as a pawn against you scrubs!
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cocco dont talk about that which you know nothing about :P

jeffrey, want a chess match on Yahoo or something?
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Old 04-14-2005, 10:58 PM #19 (permalink)  
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Old 04-15-2005, 01:01 AM #20 (permalink)  
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i think in the tournament format there should be a limit to how many games you can play, or losses count against you or something. cause someone could just play like a thousand games and have the most points.
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Old 04-15-2005, 01:44 AM #21 (permalink)  
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i think in the tournament format there should be a limit to how many games you can play, or losses count against you or something. cause someone could just play like a thousand games and have the most points.
Evidently I wasn't clear...you'll have an assigned opponent based on matching past win/loss records. Each round is just one game. Probably going to have 5 rounds. That means everyone plays 5 games, unless someone like loses the first 4 and doesn't want to play the last one or something.
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Old 04-15-2005, 06:27 AM #23 (permalink)  
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Sorry jeff I had to rush off, but PM me when you notice us both online and we can have a game :P

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i think in the tournament format there should be a limit to how many games you can play, or losses count against you or something. cause someone could just play like a thousand games and have the most points.
Evidently I wasn't clear...you'll have an assigned opponent based on matching past win/loss records. Each round is just one game. Probably going to have 5 rounds. That means everyone plays 5 games, unless someone like loses the first 4 and doesn't want to play the last one or something.
ah. sounds good
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Old 04-15-2005, 08:42 AM #25 (permalink)  
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So you guys have like tons of openings memorized? What's your favorite?
Definitely the Sicilian Defense when playing with the black pieces. I loved the attacking possibilities it offered. Really opens the attack up on your queenside and provides tons of tactical opportunites.
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Old 04-15-2005, 09:07 AM #26 (permalink)  
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omg i'm going to get raped here, horsy's make L's yeah?
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Old 04-15-2005, 12:47 PM #27 (permalink)  
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omg i'm going to get raped here, horsy's make L's yeah?
haha too funny. I laughed out loud at work when i read that!
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Old 04-15-2005, 10:44 PM #28 (permalink)  
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I could possibly be interested in this. Let me know.
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Old 04-16-2005, 04:37 PM #29 (permalink)  
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I'm interested in playing. I use to be pretty decent but its been a while. I find it interesting that there are so many chess players among winning poker players.
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Where and when? Chess is fun. I like the four pawn attack with white and petroff's and the sicilian with black. Also, check out this funny/tricky opening line with black against queen's gambit (I believe this is called the Budapest Gambit):

1. d4 d5
2. c4 e5
3. dxe5 d4
4. e3? bb5+
5. bd2 d4xe3!
6. bxb5 e3xf2+
7. e1-e2 f2-g1(N)+!
8 rxg1 bc8-g4+ (wins queen next move)
9. resigns
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Old 04-25-2005, 11:30 AM #31 (permalink)  
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"[This theory] is only useful for helping to calculate your luck odds. If you have a good read that you have a numerical advantage against your opponent, that your hand is "luckier"..."

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Old 04-25-2005, 03:13 PM #32 (permalink)  
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I'll compile everything together and send out pms for this in a couple of weeks...currently I'm going through finals, so organizing it isn't going to happen 'til that's done.
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Ok, assuming everyone who replied is still interested, here's the list of those who will play:

1. JeffreyGB
2. Sykedupp
3. lonnie
4. koolmoe
5. legendash
6. Zangief
7. Cocco_Bill
8. The_Cheat
9. a500lbgorilla
10. kling
11. Lucid
12. face

If anyone else wants in, let me know. Also, I'm expecting at least a few of the people on there to drop out.

Please pm me for how you'd like to handle the buy-in. I'm leaning toward just doing a player-to-player transfer, preferrably through pokerstars.
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Old 05-16-2005, 05:04 AM #34 (permalink)  
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OMFG IM SOOO INTRESATED>>>>>> LIKE YOU DONT UNDERSTAND>>>> CHESS USE TO BE MY LIFE!!!!! AHHH

Count me IN... (now ifonly i could build a 5$ bankroll)

but yes please count me in
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Count me out, unless somebody wants to spot $5 for me (if i win, ill give you $10)

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Old 05-16-2005, 09:10 AM #36 (permalink)  
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I'm still interested but i do have finals for the next couple of weeks so i can't be sure if i'll be available
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you forgot me.
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1. d4 d5
2. c4 e5
3. dxe5 d4
4. e3? bb5+
*how do you figure? You mean 4 ... bb4+?

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5. bd2 d4xe3!
6. bxb5 <---bxb4! e3xf2+
7. e1-e2
-The obvious exf2 (which your friends will actually play) results in immediate 7 ... QxQ, with what looks like decent trapping opportunities (7. Nd2, Bc3, Bd2). Alas, none of these are nearly tight enough.

I believe the correct play might be 6. a3, a simple counterthreat. Qa4+ is tempting, but 7 ... Nc6 takes care of this and the bishop on b4 so all you've really done is weaken d2 -- an important square at this particular moment.
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1. d4 d5
2. c4 e5
3. dxe5 d4
4. e3? bb5+
5. bd2 d4xe3!
6. bxb5 e3xf2+
7. e1-e2 f2-g1(N)+!
8 rxg1 bc8-g4+ (wins queen next move)
9. resigns

is not called the Budapest Gambit

1. d4 d5
2. c4 e5
3. dxe5 d4
4. Nf3 Nc6
5. Nbd2 Bg4
6. a3 Qe7
7. h3 Bxf3
8. Nxf3 0-0-0
9. Qd3 Nxe5
Those are the first moves of the main line Albin Counter Gambit. It is generally thought that black does not get enough initiative to overcome the pawn.

the mistake goes as follows

4. e3? Bb4+
5. Bd2 dxe3!
6. fxe3 Qh4+ (worse is 6 Qa4+ Nc6 7 Bxb4 exf2+ 8 Kxf2 Qh4+ and 6 Bxb4? exf2+ 7 Ke2 fxg1 (N)! 8 resigns)
7. g3 Qe4 leaves black ahead

the Budapest (counter) Gambit(now called defence) main line is

1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e5 3 dxe5 Ng4 4 Nf3 Nc6 5 e3 Bb4+ 6 Bd2 Bxd2+ 7 Qxd2 0-0 8 Be2 Ncxe5 9 Nxe5 Nxe5 10 0-0 d6
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I believe the correct play might be 6. a3, a simple counterthreat. Qa4+ is tempting, but 7 ... Nc6 takes care of this and the bishop on b4 so all you've really done is weaken d2 -- an important square at this particular moment.

a3 absolutely, also 6 g3 Qd7 7 Bg2 0-0-0 8 h3 Bf5 9 a3 f6 which leads to some uncertain outcomes. h3 gives black even chances, the other moves are even worse.
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Is this tournament happening?
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Old 05-16-2005, 05:18 PM #42 (permalink)  
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Is this tournament happening?
Yes, it will be. As I said earlier, I was too busy with finals to deal with it at the time of the original post.

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7. g3 Qe4 leaves black ahead
nice. I'm curious about your thoughts on some continuations in case a guy found himself here.
8. Nf3 Bg4
9. Be2

looks solid and would probably yield 9 ... Nc6
?

or
8. h3
preparing a succulent 9. Nf6 if 8. ... QxR (counting on a pretty shortsighted opponent, here)

If 8 ... Bxh3 you're pretty much screwed as white?
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hehe ... maybe not so succulent in light of 8 ... QxR 9. Nf6 Bxh3

But then 10. Qe2
maybe 10. Qe2 Nc6 11.Ng5
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Is this tournament happening?
Yes, it will be. As I said earlier, I was too busy with finals to deal with it at the time of the original post.

Are you interested in playing?
I'll play, but how will I pay the fee?
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I'll play, but how will I pay the fee?
You tell me. I've got accounts at most of the major poker sites (and I have no qualms about signing up at another if need be), so if you have a real money account somewhere, find out how you'd transfer money at that site and I'll get the details to you regarding my account on that site. Alternatively, a $6 Neteller transfer will work as well (since they charge $1 fee).
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Can't play then, sorry man.
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nice. I'm curious about your thoughts on some continuations in case a guy found himself here.
8. Nf3 Bg4
9. Be2

think about this a bit ... look how awful white is here, clearly screwed

look at 8 Nf3 Qxe3+ ... I am not suggesting this(not the best move here) but it shows you that blacks sacrifice has been completely recovered in his position, he is definately ahead. just play it out in any rational way, u will see how hard it is for white to maintain equality of material, or gain any positional edge ... even if black just trades everything off he still seems to be able to grab up an extra pawn or build up a strong attack. so the moral of the story is dont play 4. e3? ...
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Ok, here's an updated list. If you have an account on PokerStars, transfer the $5 entry fee to me - JGB146. If not, pm me with how you'd like to pay it. Similarly, pm me if you're no longer interested (or if you're not on this list and you are interested).

1. JeffreyGB
2. LeFou
3. lonnie
4. koolmoe
5. legendash
6. Zangief
7. Cocco_Bill
8. The_Cheat
9. a500lbgorilla
10. kling
11. Lucid
12. face
13. vaks
14. Trebor

Payout will be as follows:
1st: $35
2nd: $17.50
3rd: $10.50
4th: $7
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Location: Jenks, OK
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So far, I've heard from only one person (who said they were no longer interested). Are the rest of you still down for playing this? If you don't have a Stars account, we'll work something else out for payment...just let me know.

Also, if anyone else is interested, we haven't started up play yet, so you can still join!
I run a training site...

Check out strategy videos at GrinderSchool.com, from $10 / month.
 
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