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Old 03-18-2008, 02:30 AM     Post subject: Fox News Rant #1 (permalink)  
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after 1400+ posts I finally have a rant



how the fuck can you yankees keep up with fox news? who watches that shit that they are still on air?

they've blown up the obama pastor thing totally out of proportion
and then, now they have an advertisement up saying "we get only facts, just the facts, fair and balanced, we have no agenda, just facts"

and then they send some black dude into the church, to "interview" a dude, constantly and repititevly asking things like "what do you think will happen to obama's presidential candidacy because of this?" and "do you think he can rebound from this pastors sayings?"

WTF


the pastor said whatever he wanted to say, obama didn't say it
they constantly say "obama's campaign has been send into crisis mode because of his pastors incendiary ccomments" etc WTF
again, are we gonna judge someone because of his church? are we gonna judge someone because of what his pastor says? obama never displayed any racistic behavior.
right now, they got (of all people) Al sharpton on. what the fuck is he doing there? how exactly is he going to affect whatever slander?

remember: no agenda, only facts, fair and balanced (LOL)

and then they show Bill Clinton hanging out with Brad Pitt


and FWIW, I stumbled upon the damn channel, and was to lazy to change it anymore, i only watch cnn, discovery and natgeo
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Old 03-18-2008, 02:33 AM #2 (permalink)  
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CNN isn't a whole lot better. It's not about real news, it's about ratings, to the detriment of the country as a whole.
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since most media is biased liberally, they make fox (the conservative one) seem the most biased.
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since most media is biased liberally, they make fox (the conservative one) seem the most biased.
that's a joke right? you do realize that most media is owned by major multinational corporations, which tend to not be liberal in their biases. there are a couple of really good noam chomsky books on the subject that should be read.
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since most media is biased liberally, they make fox (the conservative one) seem the most biased.
that's a joke right? you do realize that most media is owned by major multinational corporations, which tend to not be liberal in their biases. there are a couple of really good noam chomsky books on the subject that should be read.
the problem with politics is that no one cares what the other side says. I mean there are plenty of people who hate Chomsky and can readily discredit what he says.
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I mostly watch MSNBC and CNN when I'm watching US news. FOX is a joke.
 
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since most media is biased liberally, they make fox (the conservative one) seem the most biased.
that's a joke right? you do realize that most media is owned by major multinational corporations, which tend to not be liberal in their biases. there are a couple of really good noam chomsky books on the subject that should be read.
the problem with politics is that no one cares what the other side says. I mean there are plenty of people who hate Chomsky and can readily discredit what he says.
In any case, is it possible that as a huge multinational corporation, it really doesn't matter to the corporation what political view their news station espouses?
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From my experience most of the media is liberal besides fox news which is fascist (lol) conservative.
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since most media is biased liberally, they make fox (the conservative one) seem the most biased.
that's a joke right? you do realize that most media is owned by major multinational corporations, which tend to not be liberal in their biases. there are a couple of really good noam chomsky books on the subject that should be read.
the problem with politics is that no one cares what the other side says. I mean there are plenty of people who hate Chomsky and can readily discredit what he says.
In any case, is it possible that as a huge multinational corporation, it really doesn't matter to the corporation what political view their news station espouses?
until you see stories like this: NBC is going to do a miniseries called atomic train (a clear winner) where something goes wrong with a train carrying nuclear waste. However, NBC is owned by GE, which has many nuclear plants. So the miniseries was changed so that something other than nuclear waste was on the train. just a bit of censorship.

also, don't you think that multinational corporations have some vested interest in who gets into political office, and what they do once they get there? If you own all of the media you can easily sway public opinion on different candidates, and on different topics.
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Old 03-18-2008, 05:27 AM     Post subject: Re: Fox News Rant #10 (permalink)  
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again, are we gonna judge someone because of his church? are we gonna judge someone because of what his pastor says? obama never displayed any racistic behavior.
Although I don't think it's fair to say that b/c Obama's pastor is a racist he must be a racist, the fact that Obama has been attending his church for like 20 years seems a bit odd. The guy might not spout out every Sunday what has been played in the media lately, but Obama has to have heard this kind of stuff before having been there that long and from having that guy be a mentor to him. I just question ppl's ethics if they attend a church every week with an obvious, blatant racist in the pulpit. I know I couldn't attend a church if I disagreed with the pastor on an issue as big as racism.

Then again the congregation probably doesn't think the pastor is a racist.
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since most media is biased liberally, they make fox (the conservative one) seem the most biased.
that's a joke right? you do realize that most media is owned by major multinational corporations, which tend to not be liberal in their biases. there are a couple of really good noam chomsky books on the subject that should be read.
its not a joke. is it a joke that you think its a joke? ofc its not as obvious or certain as i make it sound but considering what i said completely wrong would be a mistake.

i have read chomsky but it was on a completely different subject, stuff about languages. what does he say exactly?
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Old 03-18-2008, 07:13 AM     Post subject: Re: Fox News Rant #12 (permalink)  
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again, are we gonna judge someone because of his church? are we gonna judge someone because of what his pastor says? obama never displayed any racistic behavior.
Although I don't think it's fair to say that b/c Obama's pastor is a racist he must be a racist, the fact that Obama has been attending his church for like 20 years seems a bit odd. The guy might not spout out every Sunday what has been played in the media lately, but Obama has to have heard this kind of stuff before having been there that long and from having that guy be a mentor to him. I just question ppl's ethics if they attend a church every week with an obvious, blatant racist in the pulpit. I know I couldn't attend a church if I disagreed with the pastor on an issue as big as racism.

Then again the congregation probably doesn't think the pastor is a racist.

the pastor may be a racist and all
what i don't like is the fact that they are pegging it to obama
like "his pastor said this, his pastor said that"
they make the equation real simple so people put two plus two together
and before long, it will become "obama said this, obama said that"
why? "well, he never said anything against what the pastor was saying"


man, i have a lot of friend who have very radical views on very sensitive things, but what they think about whatever issues they want to does not affect me. they'll go around shouting their beliefs, i can't condone them for thinking what they want, nor will it affect my own judgement/thinking. i'm cool as long as they do not physically hurt others

free thoughts/speech, right?


i don't know the state of racism in the states though, but again, i've never seen obama display racistic mannerisms or whatever. i still think its unfair to associate him in the way they do to this crazed dude.




also, on the various odd churches: from what i've seen in various movies, i thought this was standard LOL
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And its not the first time FOX news has been on my nerves.

a few weeks ago, there was quite some controvesry about a video game called Mass effect. They even assembled a panel of "experts". The issue was video game nudity (or in-game). One of the experts even called the game Debbie-Does-Dallas-meets-Star-Trek. Clever, right? But it was complete and total bullshit. The scene in question was completely taken out of context, not one of the "experts" has ever played the game during their "research".

There wasn't even any goddamn nudity, more like a digitized alien back wtf

There was a massive backlash in the gaming community because of this, and they issued a quick apology (like a 15 second "oops") and it was not mentioned again

And we have the nataly holloway thing. It seemed like Aruba became an island full of thugs waiting to kidnap, rape and kill you


I have no idea how Fox news stays on air






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since most media is biased liberally, they make fox (the conservative one) seem the most biased.

gabe, its soooooooo fucking biased. as in really biased
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since most media is biased liberally, they make fox (the conservative one) seem the most biased.
gabe, its soooooooo fucking biased. as in really biased


I think it's quite widely acknowledged that the media has a liberal bias; whether that translates to news content is a tricker question.

Most media will betray a slightly "left-of-centre" leaning because that's what gives the best results in the marketplace.

Obviously to the liberal it looks fairly conservative and to the conservative it looks like radical liberal crap.

FWIW, Fox is villified in the US out of all proportion to its actual bias and so its reputation feeds very much into a cycle where their market-share becomes more conservative, they target their audience more heavily, they get accused of being more conservative, rinse, repeat.

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fox news is pretty ridiculous in my mind. i watch it only to laugh, they way they ask questions and what they ask is blatantly slanted towards the conservative side. im with you on this one jack, there are a lot of things that have pissed me off pretty good on fox news.
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Old 03-18-2008, 01:13 PM     Post subject: Re: Fox News Rant #18 (permalink)  
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man, i have a lot of friend who have very radical views on very sensitive things, but what they think about whatever issues they want to does not affect me. they'll go around shouting their beliefs, i can't condone them for thinking what they want, nor will it affect my own judgement/thinking. i'm cool as long as they do not physically hurt others

free thoughts/speech, right?
There's a big difference between what your friends believe/say and what your pastor believes/says. The pastor is someone you are supposed to look up to and learn from. The pastor is supposed to clarify the Bible's teachings, and he is supposed to be held more accountable than your friends. You aren't automatically associated with your friends' beliefs, but you are associated with your pastor's beliefs and rightly so...otherwise, WTF are you doing at his church?

Also, I agree with Anosmic. It's trendy to call FOX right-wing trash (The whole Digg crowd thinks they are Satan). I think their actual bias is exaggerated. They may be biased, but a lot of people go overboard with it.
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lol racistic isn't a word
That's just what a racist would say.....
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i watch fox news for the hot chicks. if you watch cnn, they only show shoulder and above, but with fox. they show it all!! lol

 
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The country is doing everything they can possibly do to give this election to a democrat, and the democrats are still finding ways to completely fuck it up. Its amazing.

Obamas pastor is a dipshit, and Obama is a dipshit for not realizing that his pastor is a dipshit and that it MIGHT BE A PROBLEM that for 20 years you went to a guy who hates whitey, and blames white America for all the evils in the world.

How do you get into politics and not realize that just MIGHT BECOME AN ISSUE?
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How do you get into politics and not realize that just MIGHT BECOME AN ISSUE?
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they did realize it would be an issue, they talked about it as obama was going for senate I believe. Its mentioned in an interview with the pastor from a few years back. I think the pastor is a bit too radical, however I dont exactly think he is horribly off on a lot of issues. The problem is that certain things become completely inappropriate when said in a different situation.

A lot of the ills of american society can be attributed to the white establishment clingy to slavery by oppressing minorities. There are certainly other factors that negatively effect our society, and I am not saying we would have a utopia if this factor didnt exist, however I think its silly to dismiss it.

I think our country has had a history of meddling in affairs it does not belong in and expressing its will on countries out of its own interest with complete and utter neglect to the well being of the host country. Its not a stretch to say "we had this coming" in respect to 9/11. Does this mean those thousands of innocent people deserved to die? Absolutely not. But that doesnt mean that youre a terrible person because you didnt jump up and start waving the american flag post-9/11. I think the way he expressed himself left much to be desired, however he was on the right track in that we need to figure out what brought this on, and address that. And no, its not because they are jealous of our freedom, that is a really ignorant and close minded view to hold.


Like I said though, when you are a leader, you need to be very tactful with what you say. Obama is on the cusp being president, he clearly cannot publicly express views such as these, he has to be a flag waiver. Its just not appropriate for him as a presidential nominee to tout these radical views. But I dont see how they are wrong.





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Like I said though, when you are a leader, you need to be very tactful with what you say. Obama is on the cusp being president, he clearly cannot publicly express views such as these, he has to be a flag waiver.

Agreed.


But on fox news, out of 24 hours of programs, 90% is dedicated to inflating this issue, and then they say "we are fair and balanced".
Just for kicks, I turned to it while writing this post and they were showing it in the ticker, while they were portraying McCain as a saint and good guy, etc, onscreen.

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The also read the national enquirer.

I think they are the typical audience for them.

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and even their online polls are biased


I go online to vote in a poll "do you think more favorably of Obama now"?

when I vote, the results were 42:201 y/n, about 1:5
I refresh the page, the results become 482:3002, exactly 5:1 again!!!!!!


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Dont act like its JUST fox. I know CNN has spent two hours on it tonight because my roomate wont turn the farking thing off. And last night I watched while one of their reporters (who was, obv, black) go "INSIDE THE CHURCH EXCLUSIVE".

Both sides are pretty 'wtf m8?' over it.

Theres no doubt that fox has a conservative slant. Why? Because theres a market for it and it sells commercial time.

Be fair, though. Theres a reason Obama has said he 'denounces' his pastors 'divisive' comments, and its not because of the Repubs. Its because the Hillary camp sees this as their only shot -- and they're probably right.

The republicans love it because if they slam obama, hillary has a shot at the nomination. And if theres one person McCain can beat in the general election, its Hillary Clinton.
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The republicans love it because if they slam obama, hillary has a shot at the nomination. And if theres one person McCain can beat in the general election, its Hillary Clinton.
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But on fox news, out of 24 hours of programs, 90% is dedicated to inflating this issue, and then they say "we are fair and balanced".
Just for kicks, I turned to it while writing this post and they were showing it in the ticker, while they were portraying McCain as a saint and good guy, etc, onscreen.

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Dont act like its JUST fox.
dude, they seem to have made it their mission
no hes right its not just fox. But the networks mimic each other so as to not miss out on a "big story." Just liek how they all fell like dominoes when fox announced bush as the winner in florida...
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they constantly say "obama's campaign has been send into crisis mode because of his pastors incendiary ccomments" etc WTF
again, are we gonna judge someone because of his church? are we gonna judge someone because of what his pastor says?
I dont know. If I was running for presidential office in the "most important election ever" and you found out that for 20 years that my pastor was a skinhead, and not only did I continue to go there, I actively sought his advice on a number of occasions... you'd make a big deal of it. Because it would be a big deal.

Theres something racist about the fact that a black man such as.. i dunno.. pastor wright... cant be a racist, even though he publicly blames white people (particularly those goddamned all-powerful jews!) for all the problems in the world.

I dunno. Its an issue. I like obama, but I certainly lost a lot of respect for him out of this. You cant come on to the scene with a platform of change and unity between parties and races and then have this kind of incredibly divisive shit in your background.

And I think Al Sharpton has a special level in hell.
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they constantly say "obama's campaign has been send into crisis mode because of his pastors incendiary ccomments" etc WTF
again, are we gonna judge someone because of his church? are we gonna judge someone because of what his pastor says?
I dont know. If I was running for presidential office in the "most important election ever" and you found out that for 20 years that my pastor was a skinhead, and not only did I continue to go there, I actively sought his advice on a number of occasions... you'd make a big deal of it. Because it would be a big deal.

Theres something racist about the fact that a black man such as.. i dunno.. pastor wright... cant be a racist, even though he publicly blames white people (particularly those goddamned all-powerful jews!) for all the problems in the world.

I dunno. Its an issue. I like obama, but I certainly lost a lot of respect for him out of this. You cant come on to the scene with a platform of change and unity between parties and races and then have this kind of incredibly divisive shit in your background.

And I think Al Sharpton has a special level in hell.

Fair point. But, skinheads are far more action-oriented, imo.
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what about him? i'm pretty sure he's allowed to be biased.
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has anyone mentioned rush limbnuts yets
what about him? i'm pretty sure he's allowed to be biased.
he is very biased

are you saying that nbc, abc, cbs, cnn, fox and all the others are not allowed to be biased?
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since most media is biased liberally, they make fox (the conservative one) seem the most biased.
that's a joke right? you do realize that most media is owned by major multinational corporations, which tend to not be liberal in their biases. there are a couple of really good noam chomsky books on the subject that should be read.
its not a joke. is it a joke that you think its a joke? ofc its not as obvious or certain as i make it sound but considering what i said completely wrong would be a mistake.

i have read chomsky but it was on a completely different subject, stuff about languages. what does he say exactly?
on the supposed liberal bias in the media.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2447
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they constantly say "obama's campaign has been send into crisis mode because of his pastors incendiary ccomments" etc WTF
again, are we gonna judge someone because of his church? are we gonna judge someone because of what his pastor says?
I dont know. If I was running for presidential office in the "most important election ever" and you found out that for 20 years that my pastor was a skinhead, and not only did I continue to go there, I actively sought his advice on a number of occasions... you'd make a big deal of it. Because it would be a big deal.

Theres something racist about the fact that a black man such as.. i dunno.. pastor wright... cant be a racist, even though he publicly blames white people (particularly those goddamned all-powerful jews!) for all the problems in the world.

I dunno. Its an issue. I like obama, but I certainly lost a lot of respect for him out of this. You cant come on to the scene with a platform of change and unity between parties and races and then have this kind of incredibly divisive shit in your background.

And I think Al Sharpton has a special level in hell.
a jew that really hates non-jewish germans

south-western white land owner who despises "wet backs" and "dependent drunken indians"

I hope you can see the difference.
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another one, also interesting. Kind of thought provoking to think that both sides of this "debate" are the right-wing side. The website seemed to have many links to articles that detail the conservative bias in the mainstream media.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3128
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i'll admit to not reading the entire link but i dont get it. does that stuff make you think they aren't biased? if i was biased i wouldn't say i was biased either.
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and even their online polls are biased


I go online to vote in a poll "do you think more favorably of Obama now"?

when I vote, the results were 42:201 y/n, about 1:5
I refresh the page, the results become 482:3002, exactly 1:5 again!!!!!!


WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT??????

oh, the polls are closed now

and the results: TADA

2369 voted yes
15955 voted no

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EXACTLY 1:5 WTFFFFFFFFFFFFF
THAT SHIT IS NOW RIGGED OBVIOUSLY
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2369 voted yes
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EXACTLY 1:5 WTFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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has anyone mentioned rush limbnuts yets
what about him? i'm pretty sure he's allowed to be biased.
he is very biased

are you saying that nbc, abc, cbs, cnn, fox and all the others are not allowed to be biased?
news in general is not supposed to be biased. of course conservative or liberal opinion shows can be though.
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So 16% of respondents like Obama MORE after this incident? I'd be pretty pleased if I were him, especially since about 80% of the "no I don't like him more" camp will actually be in the "why would I give a shit?" camp.

And people who have some perverted need to defend Fox News - please defend it on its own terms. saying "well x is just as bad" is no defence.
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Obama's speech yesterday was the fucking nuts. Go watch it. And dont just listen to it passively. Pay attention.
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i'll admit to not reading the entire link but i dont get it. does that stuff make you think they aren't biased? if i was biased i wouldn't say i was biased either.
there were two links. The first link was to an article from 1998 that attempted to systematically investigate the supposed "liberal bias" in the media that is constantly stated as fact, but is never backed up with actual evidence. It did this by looking at two things.

1) The notion that journalists views are to the left of the general public.

2) That journalists frame news content in a way that accentuates these left perspectives.

The findings were: "There appear to be very few national journalists with left views on economic questions like corporate power and trade—issues that may well matter more to media owners and advertisers than social issues like gay rights and affirmative action. "

"the minority of journalists not in the "center" are more likely to identify as having a "left" orientation when it comes to social issues. However, it is also true that the minority of journalists not in the "center" are more likely to identify as having a "right" orientation when it comes to economic issues. Indeed, these economic policy views are often to the right of public opinion."

"we learn much more about the political orientation of news content by looking at sourcing patterns rather than journalists' personal views. As this survey shows, it is government officials and business representatives to whom journalists "nearly always" turn when covering economic policy. Labor representatives and consumer advocates were at the bottom of the list. This is consistent with earlier research on sources. For example, analysts from the centrist Brookings Institution and right-wing think thanks such as the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute are those most quoted in mainstream news accounts; left-wing think tanks are often invisible. When it comes to sources, "liberal bias" is nowhere to be found. "

The second link was to one of several articles written that detail the unbalanced nature of the national media in the US. This particular outlet (The USA Today) had a 'debate' about the Michael Moore film Sicko. In this debate someone took the side that the film was mostly half-truths and misdirection. The "other side" was voiced by someone who works for the insurance companies. So you can probably imagine that they were even more critical of the film. Not exactly a balanced debate. And definitely not a liberal bias.

The website itself is not without bias. It states this upfront. It wants a national news/information service that is free of corporate sponsorship, ownership, and control.
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Obama's speech yesterday was the fucking nuts. Go watch it. And dont just listen to it passively. Pay attention.
I heard it was a great speech. I'm just about to watch it.

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