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Illfavor
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Denton, TX
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Can Sit, xfer and play on FTP.
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Ich grolle nicht...
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,546
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ya FullTilt seems poised to stay open for Americans
Stars not so much
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bigred
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PROFESSIONAL TROLL
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nest of Douchebags
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There was never a major push for online poker legalization since the online poker supply never really dissipated. It may have changed hands somewhat (party poker leaving, etc) but as we all well know, you could play if you really wanted to play.
It looks like the supply of online poker is all but gone. Sure some of the smaller sites may supply some services but we can't be sure. They'll be next on the FBI list if they make any kind of substantial gain.
On the plus side, when there's a high demand for something and little to no supply, an entrepreneurial mind usually comes along and finds a way to create that supply. In this case, online poker legalization. While this may be a short term nightmare, it could be a medium/long term dream come true for those of us remembering the golden days of online poker.
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LOL OPERATIONS
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,561
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I'm in Texas and can access their sites, but cannot sit at Stars
what site can you play and transfer on, FullTilt or Stars? |
I can play on ftp. I can't transfer on either one.
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BankItDrew
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Losing Prop Bets
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Canadian here, with 5 figures on Stars.
I'm tempted to withdrawl $1000 just for curiosity purposes, but I'm not going to. Some of my friends (online Canadian pros with gross 6-figures annually) are jumping ship completely by transferring everything to a Moneybookers account then to a smaller unaffected poker site. I think it's too early for that.
I'm leaning towards optimism for players such as myself because I'm a Canadian playing on a European website who have funds in European and elsewhere.
I'm going to wait out this shit storm and make an informed decision in a few days.
Best case scenario: U.S. is temporarily banned but soon after there are legalized websites.
Worst case scenario: The US Government destroys PokerStars, FullTilt etc. I think there's a 15% chance of that happening.
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
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Roid_Rage
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Flush
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: He just wins, mmkay?
Posts: 395
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Ok so, I withdrew $1550 a weekish ago, via check (didn't have a bank account connected to my account on the site) from FTP. Should arrive in like a weekish.
What are the odds of me being able to cash this, or will my money just be gone. 
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stonyman
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Two Pair
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 27
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You won't be able to transfer or cash out money at this point. If you read through the PDF that was linked they also seized the payment processors.
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BennyLaRue
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 646
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Well...fuck.
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Shotglass
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: feelin' allright
Posts: 733
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FUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Roid_Rage
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Flush
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: He just wins, mmkay?
Posts: 395
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I said I already cashed out before this shit went down. So what will happen, will the check just be no good? Will FTP refund my account? :/
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StarGrinder
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: UTG (aka USA)
Posts: 683
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roid_Rage
I said I already cashed out before this shit went down. So what will happen, will the check just be no good? Will FTP refund my account? :/ |
The check will bounce, and your bank will charge you a returned check fee. I would hope they would refund you.
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ensign_lee
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: The University of TEXAS at Austin
Posts: 2,237
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Canadian here, with 5 figures on Stars.
I'm tempted to withdrawl $1000 just for curiosity purposes, but I'm not going to. Some of my friends (online Canadian pros with gross 6-figures annually) are jumping ship completely by transferring everything to a Moneybookers account then to a smaller unaffected poker site. I.
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DO THAT. NOW. From what people are saying, transfers to moneybookers are still going through flawlessly.
BUT, based on what I'm reading from 2+2's thread, pstars, fulltilt, etc may be FULLY shut down within 48 hours.
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Shotglass
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: feelin' allright
Posts: 733
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It'll prolly bounce.
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Warpe
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Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Canuckistan
Posts: 3,905
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Yeah, FTP and Stars clients working fine for me here in Canuckistan. Don't have a lot of money on there so gonna let it ride.
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donkbee
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WELP
Join Date: May 2005
Location: so close but so far
Posts: 3,604
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roid_Rage
I said I already cashed out before this shit went down. So what will happen, will the check just be no good? Will FTP refund my account? :/ |
You're from Canada right? You might be okay...
I cashed a PS cheque yesterday that I hope that doesn't bounce. I'll let you guys know if it does
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Some of my friends (online Canadian pros with gross 6-figures annually) are jumping ship completely by transferring everything to a Moneybookers account then to a smaller unaffected poker site.
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I'm trying to decide whether to do this. I have a bunch on PS right now too. I might transfer a portion of it and leave the rest in PS, I don't know :S
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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kevster
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Full House
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Fold City
Posts: 758
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
On the plus side, when there's a high demand for something and little to no supply, an entrepreneurial mind usually comes along and finds a way to create that supply. In this case, online poker legalization. While this may be a short term nightmare, it could be a medium/long term dream come true for those of us remembering the golden days of online poker.
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Yeah. Or, more likely, the govt says "this is fine but we're going to tax the shit out of you/provider". Not sure that equals golden days of online poker.
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- You're the reason why paradise lost
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wufwugy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ensign_lee
BUT, based on what I'm reading from 2+2's thread, pstars, fulltilt, etc may be FULLY shut down within 48 hours. |
where are you reading this?
Shutdown overseas even?
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mbiz
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Orstraya
Posts: 178
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Sigh. I usually defend america because it has as much awesome as it does suck, but this is really too much.
I'm leaving my roll on there for now and hoping i can withdraw later, since i haven't withdrawn before and would have to do the whole identification process. GL all!
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boost
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 706
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so win.
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Warpe
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Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Canuckistan
Posts: 3,905
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NEWS RELEASE Carolyn Kemp
For Immediate Distribution ckemp@theheraldgroup.com
(202) 617-3074
PPA Comments on Federal Action Against Online Poker Companies
WASHINGTON, DC. (April 15, 2011) – Former Senator Alfonse D’Amato, Chairman of the Poker Players Alliance (PPA), the leading poker grassroots advocacy group with more than one million members nationwide, issued the comment below on today’s announcement on federal action taken against online poker companies.
“On behalf of the millions of poker players across the country, we are shocked at the action taken by the U.S. Department of Justice today against online poker companies and will continue to fight for Americans’ right to participate in the game they enjoy. Online poker is not a crime and should not be treated as such. We are currently gathering all of the information around today’s announcement and will offer detailed analysis when the full facts become available.”
About The Poker Players Alliance
The Poker Players Alliance (www.theppa.org) is a nonprofit membership organization comprised of over 1,000,000 online and offline poker players and enthusiasts from around the United States who have joined together to speak with one voice to promote the game and to protect poker players' rights.
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kevster
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Full House
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Fold City
Posts: 758
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Anyone draw parallels between this and the banking crisis? Everyone draws on their money and makes the whole thing a lot worse?
Also, are Stars really likely to hit the wall? Aren't they owned by some rich Arab family. Flame me if I'm way off here.
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- You're the reason why paradise lost
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ensign_lee
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: The University of TEXAS at Austin
Posts: 2,237
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
where are you reading this?
Shutdown overseas even?
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From the 2+2 thread? Apparently someone at espn_poker tweeted about how even international operations were going to be shut down in 48 hours.
I guess credibility of the source could be called into question, but then again...it is espn...
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mbiz
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Orstraya
Posts: 178
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Rich Israeli family i believe. Its on their wikipedia.
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BennyLaRue
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 646
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ensign_lee
DO THAT. NOW. From what people are saying, transfers to moneybookers are still going through flawlessly.
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Negative. Well, I was able to complete the cashout request but got a message saying it would take up to 72 hours to process whereas MB cashouts are usually instant.
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LuckySlevin
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Live Poker Room
Posts: 1,050
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Pretty ridic when you consider the things they could be spending the man power on and obvious millions of dollars it's going to cost to even take these to court, whoever decides policy should lose their job.Even ignoring the fact this is a pro poker forum. Of all the things they could pick to 'sort out in America' they choose this...
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wufwugy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ensign_lee
From the 2+2 thread? Apparently someone at espn_poker tweeted about how even international operations were going to be shut down in 48 hours.
I guess credibility of the source could be called into question, but then again...it is espn...
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I bet the only way the sites shut down their Europe operations (which is bigger than US) is if their commissions dump them. Which they actually could if they're viewed as operating illegally. That could be why PS dumped US so quickly. I fully expect FTP to follow soon. I kinda don't expect UB/AP to, however.
But there are many other problems in that banks might now stop doing anything poker related. My bank, for example, knows that the stuff I send them is from poker sites
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Fnord
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Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,333
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Worst case scenario: The US Government destroys PokerStars, FullTilt etc. I think there's a 15% chance of that happening. |
I'll take the over on that. Want to give action?
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BankItDrew
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Losing Prop Bets
Posts: 2,789
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ensign_lee
DO THAT. NOW. From what people are saying, transfers to moneybookers are still going through flawlessly.
BUT, based on what I'm reading from 2+2's thread, pstars, fulltilt, etc may be FULLY shut down within 48 hours. |
Quote:
Cashout request time: 2011/04/15 19:11 ET
Cashout amount: USD 5,000.00
USD 5,000.00 (CAD 4,799.25) will be credited to your MoneyBookers account (xxxxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com) within 72 hours.
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update
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
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Shotglass
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: feelin' allright
Posts: 733
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Any coincidence that this occured on April 15, normally tax day?
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BankItDrew
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Losing Prop Bets
Posts: 2,789
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
I'll take the over on that. Want to give action?
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This is neither the time nor the place to be making -ev bets.
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
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Jack Sawyer
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ensign_lee
From the 2+2 thread? Apparently someone at espn_poker tweeted about how even international operations were going to be shut down in 48 hours.
I guess credibility of the source could be called into question, but then again...it is espn...
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ESPN is some disney shit
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My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...
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VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
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Hey, I'm in a movie!
http://youtu.be/lGdnIrRKDTI
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kevster
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Full House
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Fold City
Posts: 758
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
I'll take the over on that. Want to give action?
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I nearly woke my wife LOL'ing
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- You're the reason why paradise lost
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Jack Sawyer
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
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Should others worry as well? Or is it only the US that got hit this time (again)? It's a torrent of information coming this way, and not sure what is fact or fiction.
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My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...
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VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
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Hey, I'm in a movie!
http://youtu.be/lGdnIrRKDTI
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JoeOE18
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Two Pair
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 81
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For those of you wondering about the info from ESPN. It's Andrew Feldman who passed on the information he apparently got from GamblingCompliance. No word on their source that I could find.
Here's the tweet itself:
http://twitter.com/#!/ESPN_Poker/status/59009874633310209
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Warpe
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Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Canuckistan
Posts: 3,905
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Welcome back, Fnord!
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Fnord
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Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,333
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Party Poker sure looks damn smart right now.
Best case right now is they partner with Wynn or something and get something legal in the US. But that's a long shot.
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donkbee
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WELP
Join Date: May 2005
Location: so close but so far
Posts: 3,604
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Quote:
Cashout request time: 2011/04/15 19:11 ET
Cashout amount: USD 5,000.00
USD 5,000.00 (CAD 4,799.25) will be credited to your MoneyBookers account (xxxxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com) within 72 hours.
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update |
I did it just now too... tried for $5.3k... we'll see :S
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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BankItDrew
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Losing Prop Bets
Posts: 2,789
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Quote:
Originally Posted by courtiebee
I did it just now too... tried for $5.3k... we'll see :S
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Let us know when/if it goes through. I plan on moving everything over eventually.
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
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Fnord
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Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,333
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Quote:
Originally Posted by courtiebee
I did it just now too... tried for $5.3k... we'll see :S
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No US customers + US DoJ + Bank Run = PS, FTP, Abs, UB, etc. busto.
If we see them again, it will be run by the guy who bought the domain name in bankruptcy court.
The guys running the site have got to be trying to figure out how to get as much of the loot as they can right now...
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bigred
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PROFESSIONAL TROLL
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nest of Douchebags
Posts: 2,184
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Party Poker sure looks damn smart right now.
Best case right now is they partner with Wynn or something and get something legal in the US. But that's a long shot.
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Crossing my fingers!
Party Pokah!
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LOL OPERATIONS
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, moving on up
Posts: 5,805
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
The guys running the site have got to be trying to figure out how to get as much of the loot as they can right now...
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activate superuser accounts + turn on boomswitch
get on the games that are running
etc
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boost
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 706
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
No US customers + US DoJ + Bank Run = PS, FTP, Abs, UB, etc. busto.
If we see them again, it will be run by the guy who bought the domain name in bankruptcy court.
The guys running the site have got to be trying to figure out how to get as much of the loot as they can right now... |
Is this "SKYISFALLINGOMFGKDHGKSH!" conjecture really necessary and or productive in anyway?
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BennyLaRue
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 646
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How are Howard Lederer and Phil Ivey not named in this legal action? Do they not have significant ownership stakes or was that all lies?
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Fnord
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Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,333
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
How are Howard Lederer and Phil Ivey not named in this legal action? Do they not have significant ownership stakes or was that all lies? |
I recall it being mentioned in 2+2 before that these companies are structured in very creative ways. It's really hard to tell who owns what.
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Ash256
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 1,760
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
No US customers + US DoJ + Bank Run = PS, FTP, Abs, UB, etc. busto.
If we see them again, it will be run by the guy who bought the domain name in bankruptcy court.
The guys running the site have got to be trying to figure out how to get as much of the loot as they can right now... |
Aren't customer funds 100% ringfenced?
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C00T
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High Card
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 7
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Player to player transfers are not allowed anymore. All us players are not allowed to play anymore. They are shutting the servers one by one and will get them all by this time tomorrow.
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bigred
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PROFESSIONAL TROLL
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nest of Douchebags
Posts: 2,184
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Play money tourney? Who's in?
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LOL OPERATIONS
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Fnord
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Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,333
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daven
activate superuser accounts + turn on boomswitch
get on the games that are running
etc
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Nahh... the real money, not just bits in their game database....
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celtic123
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: **Officially**The worst poster on FTR
Posts: 708
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Ive tried to cash out to my neteller account, It appeared to be successful, but no confirmation e-mail has arrived yet.
From neteller , i can transfer to UK . is neteller still safe ?
Does any one know ?
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Lukie
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: back with a vengeance
Posts: 3,307
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
I'll take the over on that. Want to give action?
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Sure thing.
I bet my pokerstars bankroll 
In all seriousness, I agree with you unfortunately.
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