04-16-2011 07:07 PM
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04-16-2011 07:07 PM
#302
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trolling freetrollers
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04-16-2011 07:10 PM
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I am reading online that ppl having this issue need to uninstall and download the client from .uk |
04-16-2011 07:11 PM
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04-16-2011 07:42 PM
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04-16-2011 07:51 PM
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bountyjoker, why don't you look at doing some kind of web business? lots of potential out there, if you have the time and focus etc |
04-16-2011 07:51 PM
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trolling freetrollers
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i didn't absorb the part that benny pointed out in blue below. I saw 3 posts, i saw troll. I screwed up pretty bad on this one - I apologise. |
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04-16-2011 08:01 PM
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04-16-2011 08:07 PM
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[QUOTE=daven;2029609]i didn't absorb the part that benny pointed out in blue below. I saw 3 posts, i saw troll. I screwed up pretty bad on this one - I apologise. | |
04-16-2011 08:18 PM
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E-mail received from Stars when I asked them WTF was going on: |
04-16-2011 09:20 PM
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supposedly, my FT withdrawal has been "processed" and "approved" and "will be in my account within 72 working hours". stars has not yet contacted me post-"processing" stage. both these are via direct bank transfer to australia. | |
04-16-2011 09:29 PM
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04-16-2011 10:06 PM
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sorry to be so petulant but should i go ahead and withdraw my funds right meow? someone said something about getting an early place in line earlier. What are the rest of you guys gonna do (the americans)? | |
04-16-2011 10:23 PM
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Professional vidya-gaming is about to get significantly more competitive... | |
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04-16-2011 10:37 PM
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I was planning on withdrawing all but $150 to help pay for a vacation at the end of the month, but now I don't know if I wanna fuck with it. I personally feel like this shits gonna blow over at some point but i've honestly just been waiting to see what other US players are doing. I'm sure my $750 roll seems insignifcant to others but the whole thing is fucking me up right now. | |
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04-16-2011 10:41 PM
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04-16-2011 11:02 PM
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04-16-2011 11:15 PM
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time for two things: | |
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04-17-2011 03:11 AM
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Is there a way the PPA or the online players as a group could request from Stars and FTP to provide proof through an independant audit that they hold the players' money in accounts completely separate from their company's accounts, in cash or sufficiently liquid form such as money market shares, and are fully capable of paying back should ALL players want to cash out at one time? | |
Last edited by daviddem; 04-17-2011 at 03:13 AM.
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04-17-2011 03:31 AM
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This will be a nice stress test for the liquidity of PS' and FT's funds. I imagine if they are prepared to disguise the nature of fund transfers from the government, they probably aren't adhering to liquidity laws either. | |
04-17-2011 03:45 AM
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^^ that's what scares me. | |
04-17-2011 03:49 AM
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As mentioned earlier in this thread, the "liquidity law" is not a US one, it seems to be a regulation from the Isle of Man where the companies are registered. I would dare to hope that they adhere to the laws of the country in which their company is registered... | |
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04-17-2011 04:03 AM
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^^ that's what comforts me. | |
04-17-2011 05:48 AM
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UK based on Isle of Man (small island of the mainland), which is full of tax avoiding companies. All pefectly legal. | |
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04-17-2011 05:51 AM
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Well no sign of the money yet from Stars in my Neteller account. Usually it's there in the morning if I try withdraw the previous evening. | |
04-17-2011 05:54 AM
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Oh and as for the liquidity law - I believe this standard with Gambling companies in UK. We have a long history of gambling in this country. We have 2-3 bookies on every high st, so they are just seen as normal companies. | |
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04-17-2011 06:02 AM
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04-17-2011 06:09 AM
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04-17-2011 08:23 AM
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From the wiki page on online poker... | |
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04-17-2011 08:46 AM
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Well this has been a weekend that's been depressing and mindblowingly beyond belief. I did have a really nice live score on Black Friday, but I'm expecting my games to get a hella lot tougher now. | |
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04-17-2011 09:13 AM
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04-17-2011 11:19 AM
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I can still play cash games on UB. Full Tilt will not even get past the updater. Pokerstars will not let me play real money, but I can still play play money. This seriously sucks. I miss my Fulltilt! |
04-17-2011 12:29 PM
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04-17-2011 12:32 PM
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04-17-2011 01:02 PM
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04-17-2011 01:10 PM
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RE: Ongbonga's post, I had thought that Cereus was actually based out of Kahnawake, which is a native reservation outside of Montreal; so as for conforming to Canadian law... nah. | |
04-17-2011 01:29 PM
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04-17-2011 01:46 PM
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Thanks for the link. I can now get in and see the games, but still cannot play real cash. I wonder if there is a way to change your IP add to somewhere in beautiful UK? |
04-17-2011 02:15 PM
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In the end, it is very likely that this will push things to the point that we finally get a clear ruling on the grey legal area under which online poker has fallen since at least 2000. Hopefully, it can pave the way to an open and regulated online poker industry throughout the US. | |
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04-17-2011 02:43 PM
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04-17-2011 02:56 PM
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Any chance we can get a sticky with all the pertinent links like GS jeffs above? I think Boog had a link to contact congressmen and I have no idea what I may have missed. Just so we can have everything on one page and everyone can do their part a little easier. | |
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04-17-2011 03:35 PM
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04-17-2011 03:48 PM
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Thanks Boog, but my point is that if we can get all of the info in one spot, alot of us can be more productive in making this stuff happen. | |
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04-17-2011 04:06 PM
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I personally am not attempting to remove any funds off of any of the sites. Getting your money stuck in limbo would be the absolute worst thing ever (only applies to US). | |
04-17-2011 05:12 PM
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DAY 2 QJ LIVE SHOW on USTREAM: BLACK FRIDAY. | |
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04-17-2011 05:17 PM
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PPA: Action Center | |
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04-17-2011 06:09 PM
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trolling freetrollers
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latest update from FTP includes this popup |
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04-17-2011 06:50 PM
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Disclaimer: this may be an extremely bad idea, and may get you in trouble (and it might not work) | |
Last edited by daviddem; 04-17-2011 at 06:55 PM.
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04-17-2011 07:07 PM
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04-17-2011 08:04 PM
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Not the greatest site out there, but Bodog is still open to US players and you can get money off easily and quickly. I have played there and also cashed out successfully in the last 24 hours. Not sure how deposits would work, but its worth a shot if you really want to play. It is a pretty soft site if you can deal with the awful software and poor MTT structures. Cash games are fine so long as you are ok with no more than 4 tables and terrible rakeback |
04-17-2011 08:43 PM
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Damnit, I just got back in town. I was pissed that I couldn't play while I was gone. Now, I see I couldn't have played anyway. | |
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04-17-2011 08:47 PM
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Did you play at Pstars or FTP? | |
04-17-2011 09:21 PM
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"With the seizure of the websites, it is unclear what will happen to the funds of U.S. players who have accounts on the websites. In 2007, NETELLER, a firm that handled online gambling transactions, was charged by prosecutors from the New York U.S. Attorney's Office but entered into a deferred prosecution agreement with the U.S. government and returned such funds to their owners." | |
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04-17-2011 09:58 PM
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lol FTR is such a euro site | |
04-17-2011 11:53 PM
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I don't even know where to start here... I can't say this with 100% certainty, but if you are in the US and you have $$ on Stars or Tilt, you should have access to your funds within a reasonable amount of time (3-6 months max?) if you don't already. Typically, the way businesses operate that have a significant amount of $$ that isn't "theirs" is they need to keep those funds completely separate from money used to operate their day to day business in escrow or trust accounts, but this could be entirely different where Stars and Tilt are incorporated. Any lawsuit/sanctions/fines etc would have to be paid by their operating funds, not by money they hold for other people. | |
04-18-2011 12:03 AM
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Before the events, this VPN thing was for sure working on FTP and Titan Poker. Never tried it on PS. | |
Last edited by daviddem; 04-18-2011 at 12:47 AM.
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04-18-2011 12:27 AM
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04-18-2011 12:51 AM
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04-18-2011 04:00 AM
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I remember hearing you could withdraw money if you lived in WA state, but had to play outside the state borders to earn the money to withdraw in the first place. |
04-18-2011 04:57 AM
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yea good point obv. Also it's illegal for a u.s. citizen to play poker, pretty sure it doesnt matter that they are out of the country. I had to prove residence before I could play on stars again (from a euro ip address). The withdrawing money thing was different in washington because pokerstars chose to stop offering their services there but they werent actually getting prosecuted, I got my money in the bank a few days after that happened. |
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04-18-2011 07:41 AM
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So let me get this right: apparently it is illegal for an American resident to play on Pokerstars. It is apparently not illegal for an American citizen residing in Europe, since what they require is proof of residency, not proof of citizenship. However, a European residing in Europe but visiting in the US supposedly also cannot access real money games because the IP he connects from in the US would be blocked to do so. | |
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04-18-2011 07:47 AM
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04-18-2011 07:48 AM
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Well, Happy Monday. Perhaps we'll get some more information instead of just speculation since the world has returned from the weekend. | |
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04-18-2011 08:31 AM
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I have no idea, to be honest. All I know about Kahnawake is that it's near Quebec, and I know a big fat fuck all about Canadian law in pretty much every area. I didn't really bother to look anything up regarding Kahnawake, I was focussing more on the UK dependancies where PS and FTP are based, since I'm more familiar with the status of these locations. | |
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04-18-2011 09:15 AM
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04-18-2011 09:57 AM
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Last edited by daviddem; 04-18-2011 at 10:12 AM.
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04-18-2011 10:35 AM
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god damn Fnords "skyisfallingcashoutnow" posts ITT tilted the fuck out of me. i have less than $1k left online between PS and FTP, but i dont know why anyone in the US would think there is any chance trying to cash anything out between friday and now would be a good idea. | |
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04-18-2011 10:48 AM
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IP filtering is an easy way to show due diligence (hey gov'ment we tried to enforce your laws) without having to invest a ton of money into new technology and/or employee overhead for things like residency verification, etc. | |
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04-18-2011 11:04 AM
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Time to hit up Foxwoods while my "bank" PS account based out of France waits for cashout request to go. Only keeping 10% of my roll in my US based account after the scare 3 years ago was a smart idea. | |
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04-18-2011 12:04 PM
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FWIW VPNs do work and its how people have managed to multi account. Sure some have been caught but I would have to say the majority haven't. Unless PS has some hackers who are frequently able to crack connections seen fit by most online banking institutions (128bit). Also, you can get higher encryptions still (2048bit) which is typically used by NASA or other gov operations and is considered almost uncrackable (unless you have 4 lifetimes+ to dedicate). | |
04-18-2011 12:09 PM
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dear everyone. let me emphasis this in the most clear way I can. | |
04-18-2011 12:10 PM
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04-18-2011 12:11 PM
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The trouble is that what we seem to be poised for is the French model. IMHO this is the most likely short term resolution of the current US problem, and that is the one several other countries have already adopted or are currently considering. This makes the business of the government and should at least partially content whichever poker rooms will be running the show. But what of us, the players? Is a secluded and partioned poker world what we want for the future? Don't think so. Although I guess it's better than nothing, I wouldn't want to settle for that without at least trying to get something going towards a truly global, properly regulated online poker world. | |
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04-18-2011 12:13 PM
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BWIN.PARTY DGTL EN Share Price | BPTY.L- Yahoo! UK & Ireland Finance | |
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04-18-2011 12:35 PM
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edited because I don't want to add to the hysteria. | |
Last edited by Lukie; 04-18-2011 at 12:59 PM. | |