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ProZachNation
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03-12-2006, 07:48 PM
Post subject: Error with Starluck blackjack
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Full House
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So I was playing mutlihanded, I split with KK, the top K blackjacked, and the 2nd king got a 9 I think, but nothing came up so I could hit stand, so it ended up auto standing, anyone experience this error when you split and hit a black jack?(Im new so could i be missing something?) This happened twice by the way.
I emailed support. So Ill see.
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
I didn't think its Bold to bang some chick with my bro. but i guess so... thats +EV in my book.
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purespeed
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I know with AA if you split you are forced to stand regardless of cards you're dealt. It could be the same w/ splitting TT-KK. I don't know if that's an official rule, but the online casinos I've played at work this way (with AA at least).
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ProZachNation
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Maybe it was AA, I dont know lol
Im new to blackjack so....
Nothing to see here people move along!
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
I didn't think its Bold to bang some chick with my bro. but i guess so... thats +EV in my book.
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Rabid Dog
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AA is auto stand, you only get one card for each ace. If it was KK you had then you should have been able to hit or stand. But if you had 19 then surely you wasnt hitting anyhow was you?
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ProZachNation
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No, Maybe it was AA, and I blackjacked on the first one, and the cursor never came up on the second one for a choice.
Well I cleared it at +141 with the bonus, so Ill be going to Planetluck now 
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
I didn't think its Bold to bang some chick with my bro. but i guess so... thats +EV in my book.
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DaNutsInYoEye
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Why the hell were you splitting KK?
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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ProZachNation
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For the first half of the bonus I ead my chart wrong and was splitting with 10s 
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
I didn't think its Bold to bang some chick with my bro. but i guess so... thats +EV in my book.
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Al4As
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Anyway, if the deal has something like 5-6, splitting 10s is probably not that bad of a play.
Not optimal by any means of course, but most of the times I cant help myself and I do it on a 6 
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ProZachNation
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Well I busted outa PLanetluck, blackjacked me so many times and kept drawing insanely to 21 when I was playing 3 at once, got down to like 40, bet 20 won, bet 40 dealer black jack, bet 40 dealer black jack, bet my last 2 push, bet 2 dealer black jack
Bonus whoring profit +$41
Was I right to go all or nothing when I got down to 20?
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
I didn't think its Bold to bang some chick with my bro. but i guess so... thats +EV in my book.
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Murd0c
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Ouch sounds like a bad run. The good news is Runs like that don't happen often. Were you betting $2 or $1? Also were you playing multihanded? Maybe it's just me but everytime I've played multihanded I've ended up busting out. Also u want to know for sure ur always making the right choice according to the strategy chart. I know when I was starting out I wasn't sure of how to play certain hands especially aces. If you have any questions on that feel free to post em.
Also You may want to check this this site out it's a little outdated but I found it to be really valuable to me.
http://www.bonusbug.com/cgi-bin/yabb...num=1109632125
Keep at it and you will see consistent profits.
Also I probably would not have bet my last $20 at once. If u get that low( I assume you mean only $20 total left not $20 bonus on top of your deposit) I'd reccomend either flatbetting it or using martingale till you get it back up to a level you feel is reasonable.
Martingale is doubling your bet after each loss till you win a hand at which point you drop back to your original bet size. DO NOT do that normally though only if you feel you have nothing left to lose.
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Renton
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I don't wanna run it into the ground, PZ, but in case you don't know, blackjack is -EV.
Even if you make the perfect move everytime, then it's still slightly -EV.
The only time blackjack can be profitable is in a seedy live casino, with a single deck (you'd have to count cards), and crazy regional rules like five card charlie and 2:1 for suited blackjack.
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Murd0c
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Renton that's not really true. Online blackjack with bonuses is insanely +EV. And if you know a B&M casino that has all three of those rules please tell me becuase it would offer a 2% advantage to the player which is HUGE. I wouldn't even have to count cards. By comparsion perfect strategy under normal rules only gives the house an edge of around .4% to .6% and card counters using the most advanced systems only get an advantage of 1% to 1.5% over the house.
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Currently at UB playing $50 NLHE 6max.
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midas06
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Originally Posted by quotedfortruth
Online blackjack with bonuses is insanely +EV.
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ProZachNation
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Yeah I was making 4dollars bets playing 3 hands at once. Bad decision? I am sad now lol
Any other blackjack sites that have a non sticky bonus? I dont feel liek risking another 100 on a sticky bonus quite yet
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
I didn't think its Bold to bang some chick with my bro. but i guess so... thats +EV in my book.
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midas06
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Doing any sticky bonuses with your bankroll = close to 
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Murd0c
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Straight
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Just check out the link in the post I posted. It gives a good list. I think the only outdated things are super vegas casino and omni casino which aren't really profitable anymore. Also I don't think there is an IGM bonus for starluck, planetluck or aceclub anymore either. Just try to read the terms and conditions for each site if can.
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Currently at UB playing $50 NLHE 6max.
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metaxy6
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Didn't see em in the linked post, so will suggest a couple nice ones:
VIP Casino, Casino.net.
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AHiltz
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Originally Posted by ProZachNation
For the first half of the bonus I ead my chart wrong and was splitting with 10s |
Been there, done that, got that t-shirt. I actually luck boxed and made money from this mistake. I did Starluck and Planetluck before I realized my mistake.
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biondino
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Prozach, the mistake you made was not quitting once you had lost the bonus money. My understanding (having done this bonus myself) is that you deposit $100 and are given a $100 bonus which you have to wager $1600 (unless it's gone up) to clear.
Therefore, you can lose up to $99 and still be in profit. However, the moment you lose $100, you are in -EV territory. You're now gambling with YOUR money, and, as stated above, even perfectly-played blackjack is -EV.
So, the rule of thumb is, if you're unlucky enough to lose the bonus while whoring, quit there and then and withdraw your $100 deposit. You'll only have lost time.
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Pelion
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I dont think you can withdraw anything (including deposit) from the lucks until you have completed the WR
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Murd0c
Online blackjack with bonuses is insanely +EV.
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Maybe. But if you six-table a soft 25nl game for the same bonus and even carve out 1bb/100 it is far more +EV than Blackjack, where you are paying .5% of your bonus as 'tax'.
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biondino
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I dont think you can withdraw anything (including deposit) from the lucks until you have completed the WR
I am not certain you're right, but to be honest I'd advise anyone starting these things to read the small print very closely!
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Murd0c
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Straight
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Once again Renton not true. Let me show you the math.
1bb/100 @ 25NLHE = $.50
Your playing six tables, which I doubt many people can do, but ok. I'll overestimate a bit even and say that were playing 50 hands/hour at each table. So:
Six table @ 50 hands/hour (300 hands and hour) = $1.50 an hour
Now lets compare that to Casino whoring:
You have a $100 bonus but because of the house advantage your expected value is lower. To calculate the actual EV of the bonus we willdo the following calculation:
EV = Bonus - (Wagering Requirement * House Advantage)
So in our previous example we'd get:
EV = 100 - (1600 * .005) = $92
The standard deviation from the mean is where the results will be 65% of the time. In our case the the standard deviation is $45, so 65% of the time we will profit between $47 - $137. The other 35% of the time it will be higher or lower than that range.
So assuming we're playing 400 hands/hour, which is about average, lets compute the overrall hourly rate. Assuming we're betting just the minimum dollar on each hand, playing single handed it will take us less than 4 hours to reach to reach the require $1600 wagering requirement needed to cashout (It's less than four hours becuase some hands we're splitting and doubling down).
So..... Hourly Rate = EV / Time
Hourly Rate = $92 /4 = $23/hour
Hmmmm so lets compare your claim which had no mathematical basis to mine.
$1.50/hour six tabling $25 NLHE
$23/hour playing black jack
So overall Casino whoring is 15.3 times more profitable than your example.
Please don't comment in forums which you have no idea what your talking about.
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Currently at UB playing $50 NLHE 6max.
Bankroll: ~$1900 (Almost BR'ed for 100NL.)
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ProZachNation
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Full House
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Originally Posted by biondino
Prozach, the mistake you made was not quitting once you had lost the bonus money. My understanding (having done this bonus myself) is that you deposit $100 and are given a $100 bonus which you have to wager $1600 (unless it's gone up) to clear.
Therefore, you can lose up to $99 and still be in profit. However, the moment you lose $100, you are in -EV territory. You're now gambling with YOUR money, and, as stated above, even perfectly-played blackjack is -EV.
So, the rule of thumb is, if you're unlucky enough to lose the bonus while whoring, quit there and then and withdraw your $100 deposit. You'll only have lost time.
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At both Star and Planet, you need to meet the WR before you can withdrawl your deposit
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
I didn't think its Bold to bang some chick with my bro. but i guess so... thats +EV in my book.
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Pelion
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Yea im sorry Renton but thats just straight up not true. Those 100% deposit bonuses are insanely +EV. Technicly you could bet $25 a hand, 3 hands at a time and be done in about 15 minutes for an EV of about $92.
Of course the varience would be wild with such big bets so I like to stick to $1 bets, but thats still way more EV than any Poker game you could play with anywhere near the same size bankroll. If your bankroll gets big enough to play 10000M NL against some fish then maybe Poker would be more EV but not many of us are going to achieve that level
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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