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Post subject: Durrr vs Hellmuth HU in NBC championships (vid now online)
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http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/228251...65812#24065898
video is clubs section 2. watch whole video
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also watch section 3 where durrr officially challenges him
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they continued going at it in the next video.
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I want to think Hellmuth is remotely smart. I'd like to think that, he's won the most WSOP bracelets out of anyone in the world. But jesus christ he is just so bad.
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click another vid and then click back on it.
also, gabe kaplan ftw
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I want to think Hellmuth is remotely smart. I'd like to think that, he's won the most WSOP bracelets out of anyone in the world. But jesus christ he is just so bad.
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He reads people well and has a strong tournament game build around getting chips without risking his stack. Skills that don't translate well outside of live tourney poker that pays to place.
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I remember loving Hellmuth when I first started watching/playing poker b/c he always got his money in good and seemed to only play strong hands. I wanted to be like that, I always prided myself on getting it in ahead (even if I dwindled my stack down to next to nothing).
It's funny, the more I learn about poker, the worse he becomes and the more I just cannot stand him, his play, and certainly his antics at the tables.
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I mean, lol, he acts like he "trapped" Durr with the quick l/rr. It was a total fucking cooler. Maybe if Durr shipped like AJo or T9s or something he'd be able to say he trapped him, but not with TT.
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I remember loving Hellmuth when I first started watching/playing poker b/c he always got his money in good and seemed to only play strong hands. I wanted to be like that, I always prided myself on getting it in ahead (even if I dwindled my stack down to next to nothing).
It's funny, the more I learn about poker, the worse he becomes and the more I just cannot stand him, his play, and certainly his antics at the tables.
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I feel the exact same way.
He just takes it way too far. Even on some of the high stakes poker shows he'll berate someone for a completely standard hand. I do still enjoy some of his blowups only cause it makes him look like a complete idiot.
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Reporter: Are you guys gonna go play heads up somewhere else now?
Hellmuth: Well what happens if I go play him heads up and I get it all in with aces and he hits a ten again?
Reporter: That's poker right?
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also, durrr seems a bit odd amirite? is he american?
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also, durrr seems a bit odd amirite? is he american?
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Just a socially awkward kid I assume. Because he seems alright when they do the initial interview but then is kind of uncomfortable when attacked by Phil. Even though he obviously held his own and made Phil look like a dumbass, I'm sure he's still pretty uncomfortable in that spot. He does have a bit of a rain man thing going though doesn't he?
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also, durrr seems a bit odd amirite? is he american?
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yeah he seemed weird to me too. he seemed kind of metro.
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yeah he seemed weird to me too. he seemed kind of metro. |
Yeah, at times I wanted to say he was flat out homo, but I think he is just weird/uncomfortable.
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lol hellmuth got pwned by metro/gay rain man
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durrr says it was a standard move just because its such a trivial hand that could have occurred under any line of thought at any stakes.
but realistically, what is cautious phil doing this with that is worse than TT so early? remember the type of player he is, his range includes way more stronger hands when he plays it like this. the commentator saying 'dwan doesn't have to put him on a top hand here' is dumb IMO, phil takes way more than 3 hands to get involved especially against a top internet guy he needs to figure out (or try to).
saying it was a cooler is wrong IMO, durrrr just didn't adjust to cautious phil.
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durrr says it was a standard move just because its such a trivial hand that could have occurred under any line of thought at any stakes.
but realistically, what is cautious phil doing this with that is worse than TT so early? remember the type of player he is, his range includes way more stronger hands when he plays it like this. the commentator saying 'dwan doesn't have to put him on a top hand here' is dumb IMO, phil takes way more than 3 hands to get involved especially against a top internet guy he needs to figure out (or try to).
saying it was a cooler is wrong IMO, durrrr just didn't adjust to cautious phil. |
So you are saying Hellmuth sucks really bad then?
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saying it was a cooler is wrong IMO, durrrr just didn't adjust to cautious phil. |
I agree. No way Phil would limp-raise in the beginning of the match without JJ+/AK. Durrr got outplayed. Ridiculous move to limp aces though.
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durrr says it was a standard move just because its such a trivial hand that could have occurred under any line of thought at any stakes.
but realistically, what is cautious phil doing this with that is worse than TT so early? remember the type of player he is, his range includes way more stronger hands when he plays it like this. the commentator saying 'dwan doesn't have to put him on a top hand here' is dumb IMO, phil takes way more than 3 hands to get involved especially against a top internet guy he needs to figure out (or try to).
saying it was a cooler is wrong IMO, durrrr just didn't adjust to cautious phil. |
So you are saying Hellmuth sucks really bad then? |
Well it looks really bad not least because he's obv never balancing it but durrr should have known this, it's pretty fuckin obvious. he's happy to dismiss it as 'standard' and it may be online in certain scenerios but never here. I'm actually surprised that Dwan made such a stupid mistake on like hand 3, it's not difficult to get a feel for the sort of range Phil has here. how difficult can it be making this adjustment? It's like he just donks off his tournament regardless just because he perceives it to be a 'fundamentals' push when it's terrible.
Also I think Hellmuth should have given Dwan credit for being able to adjust faced with an obvious narrow range. With the ridiculous limp reraise he's basically banking on durrrr to stack off with a lot of worse hands since durrr isn't flat calling. it just so happened durrr couldnt adjust to the most basic problem, so they both played it terrible.
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Helmuth just got finished saying that he always limps his button, blah, blah. Durrr could have thought that Phil was testing the waters. Even still, TT heads up there is such a strong hand.
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saying it was a cooler is wrong IMO, durrrr just didn't adjust to cautious phil. |
I agree. No way Phil would limp-raise in the beginning of the match without JJ+/AK. Durrr got outplayed. Ridiculous move to limp aces though. |
lol no wai, he says in the beginning of the match he almost never raises on the button. Also, it's the 3rd hand and Durrr raised up his first limp, so Phil's rr'ing range has to be wider than just JJ+, AK.
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At the risk of being flamed for daring to question a top online player. I have just watched the clash and cannot believe how Dwan can legislate his play. As a level 0 thinker, my thoughts are:
1) Raising all in with pocket 10s, in the 3rd hand is just ludicrous. Either he's pushing Phil out of the pot and not maximising the value of his hand or he's getting called. Now I can't see Phil calling an all in, just 3 hands in, with a worse hand than 10 10. Even if Dwan puts him on 2 overcards, he's on a coin flip. JJ+ though and he's a massve dog. So to me, I can't see how Dwan sees that as a good play. Maybe if one was uber short stacked but not 3 hands in.
That's the kind of play I expect in the donkaments I frequent.
2) He didn't seem to read PH at all, which is inexcusable for a multi millionaire pro because there are hours and hours of Phil that he must have seen.
3) And that appears to be a major flaw that seperates online poker from live poker. The top online players are heavily maths based - as Dwan tried to infer with his "would you call 3100?" line - but live poker is maths and more. Though I cannot see how pushing with 10s so early is good play, Dwan seems to enshrined purely in the maths aspect and totally oblivious to the fact that you're playing people and not just the probabilities of hand ranges.
However........
Of more interest to me is Dwan's reaction and body language throughout. I may not be a good poker player but my living is made up of reading body language to an acute level, including muscle tone andcolourisation, and at this I am excellent. From what I observe, Dwan is completely at odds with what he is actually saying.
Like any tell, there may be reasons as to why people react a certain way but 95% of the time, the traditional reads of body language hold true. And so I will have to align to them based on just one video of Dwan and no insight into him as a person.
Dwan gets prickly when Hellmuth calls his play and goes into defence mode. He admitted he sucked out yet still goes uber defensive to justify his play. Quite a contradiction. He then refuses to make eye contact with Phil and this is indicative of someone who is in the wrong and/or is being deceitful. Which is exactly what's going on if he has been caught with his pants down on TV, running tens into aces.
His muscle tone contracts and his shoulders compact, which is also in contrast to the physiology when someone believes they are in the right. Physically he's 'locking down'.
If he truly believed he made a standard play then he wouldn't feel so compelled to insta challenge Phil to a HU match. He's on the defensive again and, coupled with his body language and actions is not providing congruence with his words.
And as he admitted he sucked out, there would still be no reason to challenge to a HU. It's all indicative of an individual who wants to atone for an error. All in all, he becomes overtly defensive, which is telling enough. The fact that he does so after admitting he sucked out is even more so.
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lol@the donks saying dwan made a terrible play.
JJ+ AK, thats phils range? LMAO.
You do realize that folding TT there is just terrible right? Calling is terrible as well. And reraising to anything but all in commits you.
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1) I do realise folding 10 10 is terrible. Had he not reraised all in he wouldn't be in the dire situation that he was. Hence I feel that to reraise all in, 3 hands in when both are presumably deep stacked, is not a good play.
2) I don't know why calling the reraise is bad, but then again I am a noob. From what I understand, pushing will either elicit a fold or a call and if he's called, he's put his entire tourney on a coin flip at best and all but out at worst. Maybe you can enlighten me.
3) I freely admitted I may well be totally wrong about the poker. My main points were about Dwan's incongruency and body language.
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who cares whether it was a good play or not. at best it was standard, at worst it was one poorly played hand.
durrr definitely has a big edge against helmuth, period.
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I remember loving Hellmuth when I first started watching/playing poker b/c he always got his money in good and seemed to only play strong hands. I wanted to be like that, I always prided myself on getting it in ahead (even if I dwindled my stack down to next to nothing).
It's funny, the more I learn about poker, the worse he becomes and the more I just cannot stand him, his play, and certainly his antics at the tables.
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I was thinking the same thing as i watched the video.
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who cares whether it was a good play or not. at best it was standard, at worst it was one poorly played hand.
durrr definitely has a big edge against helmuth, period.
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who cares whether it was a good play or not. at best it was standard, at worst it was one poorly played hand.
durrr definitely has a big edge against helmuth, period.
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tnx for bumping this
i wanted to watch the vids again, but was too lazy to search for this thread myself.
so yeah, thanks. carry on now
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so... did they ever play? can we see it on ppv please?!
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so... did they ever play? can we see it on ppv please?!
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No, Hellmuth threw out a bunch of dumb stipulations IIRC and Durrrr basically said fuck it.
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who cares whether it was a good play or not. at best it was standard, at worst it was one poorly played hand.
durrr definitely has a big edge against helmuth, period.
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