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I'm gonna guess you don't actually play guitar.
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Not well.
I didn't say he sucks though. I'd just don't think U2 should be recognized as benefitting from an exceptional guitarist as much as from having an exceptional sound.
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d0zer
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oh wait, I thought we were making fun of the edge.
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supa
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Wasn't sure how to break it to you. I'm not a U2 fan but am a huge edge fan. It's in the rhythm, much like Pete Townsend.
Don't wanna highjack Bikes old gay thread anymore tho.
One for the guitarists/musicians.....
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start using your brain more and vagina less
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BennyLaRue
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oh wait, I thought we were making fun of the edge.
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I thought you thought that.
I won't hate on bikes for loving Coldplay. I hate on people who like commerical no-talents but I don't think Coldplay qualifies there.
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donkbee
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Originally Posted by bikes
Coldplay > Radiohead IMO
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what. the. FUCK.
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Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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donkbee
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i only like one silversun pickups song =(
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I love this band. clearly we can't be music friends.
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
Idiot. I was going to stay out of this thread since I don't like Coldplay, but then I read that statement from someone who must have aids of the ears.
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totally lol'd at this
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Originally Posted by KoRnholio
Coldplay = Nickelback in that a lot of people like these two bands and I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHY
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umm... YES THIS
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Originally Posted by rpm
"what's the story, morning glory?" that album is fucking sick
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prob in my top 20 favorite albums ever. that being said, I've never listened to any of their other albums
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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dthorne04
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Coldplay > Radiohead IMO
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WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN
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d0zer
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I feel kinda bad coming to this thread and just trashing Coldplay, so here's a link to one of the only songs I like by them:
Coldplay a Rush of Blood to the Head - YouTube
This is actually a really good song IMO
I also really love one version of them playing The Scientist live in Toronto, but I can't find it on YouTube.
Edit: seems like most live versions of the "the scientist" are pretty good... I might pay money just to hear that song live and then leave the concert afterward. FML if they play it in the encore
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Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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dthorne04
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Radiohead - No Surprises - YouTube
cliffnotes: get the fuck outta here bikes
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Karma Police! Arrest this Man!
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OngBonga
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imo oasis are better than most, if not all, of the bands mentioned in this thread. although i'm basing this purely off "what's the story, morning glory?" that album is fucking sick
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Pfft, that album is average at best. Definitely Maybe is a good album, after that it's the same old tired sound being churned out by two complete and utter wankers, neither of whom can sing. Morning Glory has two good tunes, Champagne Supernova and Cast No Shadow. The rest is bland, I mean for fuck's sake, Don't Look Back In Anger is awful, and Wonderwall is tedious. Everything they've done since is even worse.
I might not like Coldplay, but at least the guy can sing.
Jeez, what next? Is someone going to suggest the Smiths are the best British band of all time?
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WillburForce
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Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
Not well.
I didn't say he sucks though. I'd just don't think U2 should be recognized as benefitting from an exceptional guitarist as much as from having an exceptional sound.
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The Edge is that exceptional sound.
(I'm a pretty good guitarist FWIW)
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surviva316
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Homework assignment for several posters on here (most especially ongbonga):
1) Provide some sort of criteria for what makes music good, much less what makes one set of music more "good" than another set of music.
2) (I admit that it gets tricky here) Name a single piece of criteria that you mentioned in part one that is not subject-dependent. For example, if one of your criteria is "entertaining" then it doesn't qualify because things are only entertaining insofar as they entertain a given subject; things can't be intrinsically entertaining because that makes no fucking sense. As another example, you might say it is emotionally effective in part one, but it should he quite a bit obvious why that doesn't qualify for part two (something intrinsically effecting emotions? What?).
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d0zer
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stfu with your rationality 'viva, we're busy making absolute statements about highly subjective topics here.
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OngBonga
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What makes music good? It depends if I like it or not, that's pretty much the gist of it. One band is better than the next if I like them more. We're talking music here, so everyone is merely sharing their opinions, no-one is discussing cold hard facts here are they? Oh, aside from whoever it was that posted the "Coldplay are shit" link.
Some people take me too seriously. I'm just an idiot with an opinion, much like the rest of you.
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kingnat
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stfu with your rationality 'viva, we're busy making absolute statements about highly subjective topics here. |
always.
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So you click their picture and then you get their money?
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This thread done got stupid
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LOL OPERATIONS
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d0zer
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seriously tho, I like this song a lot: Coldplay - 42 - YouTube
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Another Great Band?
Band of Horses
The Midway State
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bikes
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Coldplay - Charlie Brown (Live) - YouTube
Coldplay - AMSTERDAM - YouTube
BUMPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
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I damage threads that may actually benefit some posters
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I STILL APPRECIATE YOU COLDPLAY!
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Sykedupp
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Originally Posted by surviva316
Homework assignment for several posters on here (most especially ongbonga):
1) Provide some sort of criteria for what makes music good, much less what makes one set of music more "good" than another set of music.
2) (I admit that it gets tricky here) Name a single piece of criteria that you mentioned in part one that is not subject-dependent. For example, if one of your criteria is "entertaining" then it doesn't qualify because things are only entertaining insofar as they entertain a given subject; things can't be intrinsically entertaining because that makes no fucking sense. As another example, you might say it is emotionally effective in part one, but it should he quite a bit obvious why that doesn't qualify for part two (something intrinsically effecting emotions? What?).
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It seems the only answer that fulfills criteria for both 1 and 2 is ticket/album sales because they can be tracked... In that case, Coldplay and Nickelback both rank very high among current bands.
My ears are easy to please though, I like both bands and U2 and Soundgarden and most all other bands posted ITT
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That is the beauty of poker, it doesnt matter how they play, you can always devise the perfect defense and counterpunch hard.
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Hawk
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Originally Posted by surviva316
Homework assignment for several posters on here (most especially ongbonga):
1) Provide some sort of criteria for what makes music good, much less what makes one set of music more "good" than another set of music.
2) (I admit that it gets tricky here) Name a single piece of criteria that you mentioned in part one that is not subject-dependent. For example, if one of your criteria is "entertaining" then it doesn't qualify because things are only entertaining insofar as they entertain a given subject; things can't be intrinsically entertaining because that makes no fucking sense. As another example, you might say it is emotionally effective in part one, but it should he quite a bit obvious why that doesn't qualify for part two (something intrinsically effecting emotions? What?).
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I wasn't watching this thread closely before (I mean, it's a fucking coldplay thread, amirite?) so I missed this, but I'll take a stab at it.
The definition of "good music" is clearly a very personal thing, but in the end it always comes down to what clicks with you, and it's not always that would have matched your personal definition before hearing a new song. Often it ends up being whatever was playing when a good memory is formed and has very little to do with the music itself.
Then for a more general determination of good music, I guess you'd have to go with the popular opinion of a band/song. Album sales are an easy way to look at it, but bad opinions should count as well. If a band can sell a 10 million records to 10 million fans, but at the same time they make 50 million other people want to puke every time they think of them, I don't think that you can call that a great band in general. The problem is that we have no way to count how many people dislike something. You can only go by how much shit people talk about a band. Biebs sells a lot of records, but based on how much shit people talk about him, it's pretty safe to say that his music isn't that great.
As for my personal definition, if I had to boil it down to one thing, good music has to be played and sung from the heart (most pop music is not, so that's the genre I generally have the least respect for). I think this is why so many bands start great and tail off. At first, they are filled to the brim with whatever feeling it is that leads them to express themselves with music and gives them a certain edge. Once they find themselves in their music and get the opportunity to get it out to more and more people, they lose that edge, but continue to go on. They get formulaic and what they play comes more from that formula than their hearts.
Beyond that, it's style which to me needs to not be overly polished, you don't want to lose the feeling. I like either a good laid back groove (reggae), a beautifully crying guitar (blues), or aggressive crunchiness (hard rock). The best music to me is when those can be mixed (Buju Banton, Led Zeppelin, ZZ Top, White Stripes, Black Keys) or when done with great technique.
And holy shit that ended up long and rambling!!
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d0zer
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Any attempt to define "good music", or otherwise intellectualize it is missing the point. The pedantic ramblings of music critics make me facepalm every single time.
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Hawk
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I thought you were banned?
I actually agree with you. In my defense it was more of a stoned rambling than anything.
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d0zer
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I thought you were banned?
I actually agree with you. In my defense it was more of a stoned rambling than anything.
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I knew it would look like I was directing my comment at you, I wasn't really. If anyone knows a good stoned rambling it's me. It seems we have very similar taste in music also, though I find myself caring about genre less and less, and the more I can just appreciate 'good' songwriting. Whatever my musical sensibilities dictate 'good' to be.
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KoRnholio
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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