Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

Bastards! The images were the best part! This is bullshit!

Originally Posted by Humphrind

I don't understand how Bush hates blacks.

And Europe has a 3 dollar bill? That's pretty... queer.

Originally Posted by Humphrind

I don't understand how Bush hates blacks.

And Europe has a 3 dollar bill? That's pretty... queer.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Its allllll lies
Poles might bum dogs, and maybe the Swedes too
We bRits dont
:P

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

They don't need to, they have each other.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

i smell another anglo-irish slanging match

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

They don't need to, they have each other.

Originally Posted by daluchy

I think Kanye missed the point, but was within the area.

Bush doesn't care about poor, black people...as he doesn't care much about all poor people.

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Originally Posted by CCIE SOON

So if you are saying that he doesnt care about poor people, then leave race out of it. Seems like a pretty crappy time to be throwing in the race card.

Originally Posted by chardrian

As far as media bias goes - remember this goes both ways. The "liberal" media may be lambasting mama Bush - but also realize that blacks taking food from grocery stores were labeled "looters", whites on the other hand simply "found" food from the grocery store.

Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye

Ahh, good ol' America. Instead of unifying after a disaster, we instead use the situation as a way to promote our political, social and personal agendas...

These statements are simply absurd. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but so many people are quick to criticize others, yet they don't actually do a damn thing to help.

The devestation caused by the hurricane was massive. I defy anyone to find a single person, government, or other agency anywhere in the world that would have been prepared to handle such a crises and do it without a single problem. The response after the hurricane was less than adequate in some areas. Bush openly admits to this, although many of the problems are attributable to local/state governments, etc. Can we move past that though and rebuild these areas? I have a hard time believing that any inadequacies were becase President Bush or anyone else wanted to prolong suffering or simply didn't care. This is what so many people are suggesting though.

The fact is that there are always going to be dissenters regardless of the situation. If the federal goverment's response was lightning quick and not a single life was lost there would be people saying that Bush's efficient actions were merely a way to deter our attention from Iraq... These people do absolutely nothing to help the situation they claim to be concerned about. They only stir up animosity and shift focus towards their own agendas and away from the issues that really need to be addressed: the people are areas affected by hurricane Katrina. This entire mess would likely be cleaned up a lot sooner if people focused their energy on working togther instead of attacking each other.

Originally Posted by RHCNNN

Christ...
"This simply reinforces the data that if you are black you are more likely to be poor and "disadvantaged"
^^^This may be true, but noone stops the poor and disadvantaged from going to school and moving up the ladder.
...
Stop blaming "the man" for the lack of initiative, ambition, and general success for some. Go listen to some Larry Elder... please

Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

I never saw any examples of this anywhere on the news. I saw people who were stealing TV's labled looters and people who stole food labled as desperate.

Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

If you're raised by poor parents in a poor neighborhood who have no motivation to change their station in life, most likely you will emulate what you see and follow in their footsteps. Not always, but usually. Basically, if you get started with bad parents, you're fucked. Not always, but usually.

Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

I can imagine being born and stuck in a shitty city that has few job opporunities, but even then, I can't imagine staying there for my entire life.

Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

Where I live in Wichita, Kansas, the cost of living is significantly cheaper than many parts of the country, but the following applies to some degree to most places out there. I go to school full time and work part time at a fast food place. I live on my own, but I don't live in the ghetto. I share an apartment with a roomate on the nicer side of town, pay $225 a month in rent and another $50 max on electricity, $50 on internet, and the rest on food. My apartment isn't the nicest place around by far, but its a fairly respectable place all things considered. This is cheap! Why do people still choose to live in the rat hole project-apartments down the road? I have no idea, but its not that hard to get a halfway decent place to stay and live like a human being.

Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

Oh and there is something flawed with the system where my girlfriend who used to work at a Dillon's grocery store would accept payments from customers in the form of vision cards (food stamps) who then turned around and bought candy, cigs, and pop on credit cards and then help them load their groceries into an escalade. Yea that is no shit and it happens all the time.

Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for the poor of this country, so I'm sure I'm missing something and I am more than willing to accept other viewpoints and change my beliefs based upon those facts.

Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye

This entire mess would likely be cleaned up a lot sooner if people focused their energy on working togther instead of attacking each other.

Originally Posted by Laeelin

3) Save money. Don’t get a new car, if you have a new car, sell it. Drive a $50/month junk heap. Don’t have cable TV, don’t have high speed internet. Don’t have a new computer, don’t eat out, even at Mc'D. Live on noodles, rice, and mac-n-cheese. (You can easily eat on $5 a day if you’re willing to make the needed sacrifices)

Originally Posted by Laeelin

I'm not rich.

I have never been rich.

We went bankrupt when my wife got sick had to quit her job.

I lost my job because I had to miss too much work to taking care of her.

We owe ~30k medical bills WITH insurance.

We were off welfare in months, and are working on slowly paying off our bills. We have savings again.

Dont you dare tell me that I'm back on my feet because I'm lucky. I worked my a$$ off to get here. It's not luck any more than it's luck that enables Phil Ivey to win money playing poker. It doesnt even require some special skill.

I didn’t get a decent job because I have any skills that everyone else is not able to get, I got a decent job because I didn’t stop learning and looking for a job when I went back to work at minimum wage. That’s the number one reason people stay poor. If they even get a job, they stay at the minimum wage level and hope to become a Mc'D manager one day and retire on that salary.

1) Get a Job to get at least some income.
2 a) Study while not at work (library does wonders for free studying)
2 b) look for another job. I don’t care if you can’t count past 10. Companies WILL pay a lot more than minimum wage for someone that works hard and shows up on time.
3) Save money. Don’t get a new car, if you have a new car, sell it. Drive a $50/month junk heap. Don’t have cable TV, don’t have high speed internet. Don’t have a new computer, don’t eat out, even at Mc'D. Live on noodles, rice, and mac-n-cheese. (You can easily eat on $5 a day if you’re willing to make the needed sacrifices)
4) Go back to school or get certificates.
5) Get a good job.
6) Save up several months of salary
7) THEN get your toys, your new car, ect.


I get really upset when I hear a person talking about the “poor underprivileged” like it’s this horrible thing that the rich are doing to the poor. That attitude does more to make people poor that all the "greedy corporations" and “upper class” combined.

This is America; we hand out student grants like candy. We have job opportunities like crazy. We have a welfare system that will keep you head above the water until you can stand on your own two feet again. I should know. It was there when I really needed it. It will be there if you ever really need it.

You want to see the poor underprivileged? Leave America and look in Africa, the Middle East, and many other countries around the world.

If you see someone that’s poor, it isn’t their fault.
If you see that person again 10 years later and they are still poor, 95% (or more) of the time it IS their fault.

Want a true story?

My Uncle owns an earthmoving company. One day he saw someone with a “will work for food” sign at an interstate exit, and wanted to help. He stopped and walked up to the guy and said “I need someone to watch a worksite for us. I’ll pay you $20 an hour and train you in a job so you can stay with us when we finish this job. If you need a place to stay before you get your first paycheck, you can stay at the hotel we are staying in.”

The guy said: “No thanks; I make more than that standing here”

A huge majority of the time, people that STAY poor, have made the decision to be poor. Anyone can be poor, but, in America, only those unwilling to put in the effort stay poor.

Note: There are a FEW exceptions... Very Very Few.

Note: I’m not saying that everyone can become rich; I’m saying that those willing to work can at least reach middle class.

Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

I understand both sides, but obviously I agree with laeelin. It does sound smug saying that I can get a job and so can you, but I don't think I can change this attitude yet. Even here where there are plenty of jobs and a low cost of living people still choose to live like shit.

Originally Posted by Laeelin

That’s what she thinks will make her rich one day... Not getting a better job, not saving, but the lottery!!!!

Originally Posted by RHCNNN

Christ...
"This simply reinforces the data that if you are black you are more likely to be poor and "disadvantaged"
^^^This may be true, but noone stops the poor and disadvantaged from going to school and moving up the ladder. Here's another blanket statement that is largely true: Asians are more likely to be affluent, literate, and educated. Does George Bush love Asians? OR is it something in their culture that encourages education and career prosperity?


Stop blaming "the man" for the lack of initiative, ambition, and general success for some. Go listen to some Larry Elder... please

Originally Posted by michael1123

Jesus christ ... did you just label all black people as unambitious slackers? You come off as more racist than Mrs. Bush in this post.