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DoGGz
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03-08-2006, 08:42 PM
Post subject: Bonds and Steroids
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I have no soapbox to chat on, and this issue has been pissing me off for a long time. I need to vent.
Baseball did not outlaw Steroids until recently. It was not cheating to use Steroids in the late 90's. Bonds was never caught using sustances against baseball rules.
There are at least 1000 dumbass baseball reporters that completely miss this fucking point.
Thank You.
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Havent steroids been illegal since at least the 80's though by Federal Government standards? So wouldnt that make them illegal to use in baseball also. I dont have facts on that though, its just when I was powerlifting I seem to remember guys being arrested for selling them.
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I hate this shit, I don't want to turn on SportsCenter and watch an hour of Bonds. I want to see college basketball. I really could care less. I like baseball but this is ridiculous.
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DoGGz
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Originally Posted by Rabid Dog
Havent steroids been illegal since at least the 80's though by Federal Government standards? So wouldnt that make them illegal to use in baseball also. I dont have facts on that though, its just when I was powerlifting I seem to remember guys being arrested for selling them.
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SOME Steroirds are illegal. I can go purchase steroids legally right now.
Either way, they were not outlawed in baseball. He could have driven down to Mexico to shoot up if he felt like it.
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I guess you're right about the legality, Doggz. The ethical dimension is not insignificant, though.
If you read the book excerpts, Bonds sounds very much like a cheater and a total sleazeball to boot.
Legally, if nothing else - he obviously perjured himself in a federal case when he told the grand jury, among other things, that he didn't know, and that "it was like, whatever, dude." Hubris, anyone??
Personally, I hope he goes down over it.
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Well steroids shrank his dick so I guess he got what he desrves give him the hall of fame he will need it when girls laugh at him 
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I didn't think its Bold to bang some chick with my bro. but i guess so... thats +EV in my book.
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Well steroids shrank his dick so I guess he got what he desrves give him the hall of fame he will need it when girls laugh at him |
Not the thread for this... 
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Well steroids shrank his dick so I guess he got what he desrves give him the hall of fame he will need it when girls laugh at him |
Not the thread for this... |
Why not its a side effect of steroids, he didnt break any rules so good for him hitting all those home runs. The side effects may not be worth it tho.
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I didn't think its Bold to bang some chick with my bro. but i guess so... thats +EV in my book.
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Originally Posted by Rabid Dog
Havent steroids been illegal since at least the 80's though by Federal Government standards? So wouldnt that make them illegal to use in baseball also. I dont have facts on that though, its just when I was powerlifting I seem to remember guys being arrested for selling them.
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SOME Steroirds are illegal. I can go purchase steroids legally right now.
Either way, they were not outlawed in baseball. He could have driven down to Mexico to shoot up if he felt like it. |
So, just to get this straight, if something's illegal but not explicitly banned by MLB, it's ok? So Bond's can pack heat while he's in LF since there's no rule on the books about that?
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Originally Posted by Rabid Dog
Havent steroids been illegal since at least the 80's though by Federal Government standards? So wouldnt that make them illegal to use in baseball also. I dont have facts on that though, its just when I was powerlifting I seem to remember guys being arrested for selling them.
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SOME Steroirds are illegal. I can go purchase steroids legally right now.
Either way, they were not outlawed in baseball. He could have driven down to Mexico to shoot up if he felt like it. |
So, just to get this straight, if something's illegal but not explicitly banned by MLB, it's ok? So Bond's can pack heat while he's in LF since there's no rule on the books about that? |
I think the idea is that he was using legal steroids.
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Originally Posted by Rabid Dog
Havent steroids been illegal since at least the 80's though by Federal Government standards? So wouldnt that make them illegal to use in baseball also. I dont have facts on that though, its just when I was powerlifting I seem to remember guys being arrested for selling them.
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SOME Steroirds are illegal. I can go purchase steroids legally right now.
Either way, they were not outlawed in baseball. He could have driven down to Mexico to shoot up if he felt like it. |
So, just to get this straight, if something's illegal but not explicitly banned by MLB, it's ok? So Bond's can pack heat while he's in LF since there's no rule on the books about that? |
I think the idea is that he was using legal steroids. |
Well, he said "either way." I agree, if it's not illegal, then it's game on. However, if it's not...
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"My lucky number is 4 billion. That doesn't come in real handy when you're gambling. "Come on, 4 billion! Fuck. Seven. Not even close. I need more dice." - Mitch Hedberg
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DoGGz
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Well steroids shrank his dick so I guess he got what he desrves give him the hall of fame he will need it when girls laugh at him |
Not the thread for this... |
Why not its a side effect of steroids, he didnt break any rules so good for him hitting all those home runs. The side effects may not be worth it tho. |
Steroids don't shrink your penis...
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Originally Posted by Rabid Dog
Havent steroids been illegal since at least the 80's though by Federal Government standards? So wouldnt that make them illegal to use in baseball also. I dont have facts on that though, its just when I was powerlifting I seem to remember guys being arrested for selling them.
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SOME Steroirds are illegal. I can go purchase steroids legally right now.
Either way, they were not outlawed in baseball. He could have driven down to Mexico to shoot up if he felt like it. |
So, just to get this straight, if something's illegal but not explicitly banned by MLB, it's ok? So Bond's can pack heat while he's in LF since there's no rule on the books about that? |
I think the idea is that he was using legal steroids. |
Well, he said "either way." I agree, if it's not illegal, then it's game on. However, if it's not... |
First off, I don't know what steroids he was using, so I do not know if they were illegal or not. Second, just because the US outlaws something doesn't mean a sport should ban someone OUTSIDE of their own rules for it.
Killing people is against US law, but the NFL has yet to suspend a player for it. (Ray Lewis anyone?) And, before you even say it, I know he was never found guilty of it, but Bonds has also never been found guilty of steroid use.
The point is, just because you might not like something, doesn't mean it's wrong.
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steroids don't shrink your penis they give you boobs and shut your balls down come on get it right thanks
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I Don't care what anyone has done in the past but it is extremley obvious they need to do mandatory tests for every player, multi-times a year.
They also need to fund research for ways to find drugs in tests that are usually hidden from drug tests.
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Havent steroids been illegal since at least the 80's though by Federal Government standards? So wouldnt that make them illegal to use in baseball also. I dont have facts on that though, its just when I was powerlifting I seem to remember guys being arrested for selling them.
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SOME Steroirds are illegal. I can go purchase steroids legally right now.
Either way, they were not outlawed in baseball. He could have driven down to Mexico to shoot up if he felt like it. |
So, just to get this straight, if something's illegal but not explicitly banned by MLB, it's ok? So Bond's can pack heat while he's in LF since there's no rule on the books about that? |
I think the idea is that he was using legal steroids. |
Well, he said "either way." I agree, if it's not illegal, then it's game on. However, if it's not... |
First off, I don't know what steroids he was using, so I do not know if they were illegal or not. Second, just because the US outlaws something doesn't mean a sport should ban someone OUTSIDE of their own rules for it.
Killing people is against US law, but the NFL has yet to suspend a player for it. (Ray Lewis anyone?) And, before you even say it, I know he was never found guilty of it, but Bonds has also never been found guilty of steroid use.
The point is, just because you might not like something, doesn't mean it's wrong. |
So, back to my point then. Since MLB doesn't have specific rules on the books about caring a gun during a game, everyone should be allowed to carry? Don't get me wrong, that MIGHT be interesting...but it doesn't make a lot of sense.
And Ray Lewis didn't kill someone during an NFL game...but what if he did? What if he shanked some QB with a sharpened toothbrush after he sacked him? (That would rule!) Is that ok since it's not in the NFL rules?
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"My lucky number is 4 billion. That doesn't come in real handy when you're gambling. "Come on, 4 billion! Fuck. Seven. Not even close. I need more dice." - Mitch Hedberg
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Originally Posted by Rabid Dog
Havent steroids been illegal since at least the 80's though by Federal Government standards? So wouldnt that make them illegal to use in baseball also. I dont have facts on that though, its just when I was powerlifting I seem to remember guys being arrested for selling them.
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SOME Steroirds are illegal. I can go purchase steroids legally right now.
Either way, they were not outlawed in baseball. He could have driven down to Mexico to shoot up if he felt like it. |
So, just to get this straight, if something's illegal but not explicitly banned by MLB, it's ok? So Bond's can pack heat while he's in LF since there's no rule on the books about that? |
I think the idea is that he was using legal steroids. |
Well, he said "either way." I agree, if it's not illegal, then it's game on. However, if it's not... |
First off, I don't know what steroids he was using, so I do not know if they were illegal or not. Second, just because the US outlaws something doesn't mean a sport should ban someone OUTSIDE of their own rules for it.
Killing people is against US law, but the NFL has yet to suspend a player for it. (Ray Lewis anyone?) And, before you even say it, I know he was never found guilty of it, but Bonds has also never been found guilty of steroid use.
The point is, just because you might not like something, doesn't mean it's wrong. |
So, back to my point then. Since MLB doesn't have specific rules on the books about caring a gun during a game, everyone should be allowed to carry? Don't get me wrong, that MIGHT be interesting...but it doesn't make a lot of sense.
And Ray Lewis didn't kill someone during an NFL game...but what if he did? What if he shanked some QB with a sharpened toothbrush after he sacked him? (That would rule!) Is that ok since it's not in the NFL rules? |
When was the last game you saw Bonds drop his pants and pin into ass?
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Hank Aaron Records: ...
Willie Mays Records: ...
Cal Ripken Records: ...
Barry Bonds Records*: ...
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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Has the issue been driven by congressional hoopla and by sports reporting from people who just love to be on the 'hard hitting' and 'thought provoking' stories in sports so they can feel like they're getting mileage from their 2nd and 3rd rate college degrees? Yes.
Has it been perpetuated by baseball wonks who can't stand seeing their precious records assualted by the infidels? Of course.
I want my reps to the US House to do a lot of other things besides meddle in professional baseball. I want to see actual sports on Sportscenter, and don't bug me w/ Outside the Lines.
I don't give a shit about the sanctity of baseball records. Add or don't add asterisks all you want, I don't care.
Steroids have been technically illegal in baseball since at least 2003.
I don't know whether the junk he was using was against the law of the land. It's at least borderline. At any rate, even if something isn't technically illegal, that doesn't mean it's not wrong.
So, what happened with Bonds? He got involved in some shady stuff and got mixed up in a juicy story. People showed interest in the story, and some good reporters did a good job digging up the facts for the public. Good for them.
When a public figure knowingly gets involved in shady business, moreso when he's cheating, he shouldn't cry foul when he's exposed. Bonds has no recourse. The stories make him look like a dirtbag, and there's nothing he can do about it. He deserves all the shame that's being heaped on him, plus whatever censure comes from MLB or elsewhere.
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It looks like Game of Shadows is having an impact. Here is part of what si(ap) said about it today on their http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes page:
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Ex-senator in charge
MLB to probe steroids use by Bonds, other players
Posted: Wednesday March 29, 2006 7:32PM; Updated: Wednesday March 29, 2006 10:33PM
NEW YORK (AP) -- Major League Baseball will investigate alleged steroid use by Barry Bonds and other players, and plans to hire former U.S. Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell to lead the effort.
A baseball official told The Associated Press on Wednesday that final plans were to be announced Thursday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because commissioner Bud Selig has not yet made his intentions public.
Selig's decision to launch the probe, first reported Wednesday by ESPN, comes in the wake of Game of Shadows, a book by two San Francisco Chronicle reporters detailing alleged extensive steroid use by Bonds and other baseball stars. The commissioner has said for several weeks that he was evaluating how to respond to the book.
Some in Congress have called for an independent investigation. Mitchell, a Maine Democrat and a director of the Boston Red Sox, has been a director of the Florida Marlins and served on an economic study committee that Selig appointed in 1999.
Mitchell's possible involvement was first mentioned Wednesday in The New York Times. The name of a lawyer who will run the mechanics of the probe also was to be announced.
No matter what the findings of an investigation, it would be difficult for baseball to penalize anyone for steroids used prior to Sept. 30, 2002, when a joint drug agreement between management and the players' association took effect. Baseball began drug testing in 2003 and started testing with penalties the following year.
"I will only comment on things about Barry's on-field performance or contractual status," said his agent, Jeff Borris.
It is unclear whether current or former players would cooperate with an investigation or could be forced to do so by baseball. Gene Orza, the chief operating officer of the Major League Baseball Players Association, declined comment.
Under pressure from Congress, baseball toughened penalties last year and again this season, when an initial positive test will result in a 50-game suspension. Twelve players, including Rafael Palmeiro, were suspended for 10 days each following positive tests last year.
Game of Shadows details alleged used of performance-enhancing drugs by Bonds for at least five seasons beginning after the 1998 season.
Former commissioner Fay Vincent called this month for an investigation and suggested it be headed by Mitchell or John Dowd, who led baseball's 1989 probe into gambling by career hits leader Pete Rose, who agreed to a lifetime ban.
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Hank Aaron Records: ...
Willie Mays Records: ...
Cal Ripken Records: ...
Barry Bonds Records*: ...
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