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Old 06-04-2008, 01:39 AM     Post subject: Barack Obama will win the nomination! #1 (permalink)  
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I believe that the US of A will have a President McCain before the end of the year unless Barack can get Hillary on the ticket as VP.

However, I really hope that Barack Obama will get there as I am sick of tired to discuss failed American Foreign Diplomacy (ahem I mean war games) and the amount of goodwill towards America from other countries, if Barack Obama becomes President, can only be good for the psyche of all the Americans that are ashamed of George W Bush.

I want to stop hating America as I love the country and its people.
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Hillary won Penn, Ohio, and basically won florida. I'm not to optimistic looking towards November even though I voted for Obama.
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I really don't want hillary in office. Nothing against woman in general, I just think she's insane. I also doubt that a republican will win.
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will either mccain or obama legalize online poker?
 
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Hilary fucking pisses me off.

Michigan and Florida don't count. What's that, I'm losing and they'll help me catch up? Oh, they should count 100% because we need the citizen's vote to count!!!

I'm losing the delegate count? Am I winning anything? POPULAR VOTE IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT!!!!

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If Kerry wasn't a dumbass he would have won 4 years ago. Obama won't drop the ball, but the vast majority of our country is poor, religiously fanatical, racist trash. For example, a dude near my work has a truck with the plate "GOP NRA". Hopefully there aren't too many people scared of the dauwkie's.

So I'm torn. I feel Hillary as the VP gives the best shot at the Dem's winning. But she's a stupid fucking bitch and will push herself into the spotlight for the next 4-8 years. What to do, what to do...
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yea we will sure confuse the hell out of our enemies if obama becomes president.

I can see it now, say it with me osama, "FUCK AMERICA"
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weeeee, irrational hillary hatred.
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will either mccain or obama legalize online poker?

No. The president isn't part of the legislative branch and isn't going to introduce a special bill to congress make online poker legal or illegal.
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If Kerry wasn't a dumbass he would have won 4 years ago. Obama won't drop the ball, but the vast majority of our country is poor, religiously fanatical, racist trash. For example, a dude near my work has a truck with the plate "GOP NRA". Hopefully there aren't too many people scared of the dauwkie's.
I'm an NRA member. I wouldn't consider myself poor, religiously fanatical, or racist trash. I don't see what you're getting at honestly.

I wouldn't consider myself a republican either. I'm a liberterian. Democrats have some good ideas, but also have some really awful and crushing ones to go with them. I think a lot of people agree with me. I'll probably be voting for Ron Paul, maybe McCain. Definitely not the other 2.
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I cannot have a personal opinion about Hillary because she always comes across as a polished politician and not human at all.

All I want is someone in charge of the White House who can build relationships with other countries and is not afraid to use diplomacy. I'm in New Zealand, far away from the rest of the world, but if America fucks up we all feel it.
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If Kerry wasn't a dumbass he would have won 4 years ago. Obama won't drop the ball, but the vast majority of our country is poor, religiously fanatical, racist trash. For example, a dude near my work has a truck with the plate "GOP NRA". Hopefully there aren't too many people scared of the dauwkie's.
I'm an NRA member. I wouldn't consider myself poor, religiously fanatical, or racist trash. I don't see what you're getting at honestly.

I wouldn't consider myself a republican either. I'm a liberterian. Democrats have some good ideas, but also have some really awful and crushing ones to go with them. I think a lot of people agree with me. I'll probably be voting for Ron Paul, maybe McCain. Definitely not the other 2.
is r.p. running in the general election? i dont see why he would, because most states have sore loser laws.
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Old 06-04-2008, 04:01 AM #14 (permalink)  
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If Kerry wasn't a dumbass he would have won 4 years ago. Obama won't drop the ball, but the vast majority of our country is poor, religiously fanatical, racist trash. For example, a dude near my work has a truck with the plate "GOP NRA". Hopefully there aren't too many people scared of the dauwkie's.
I'm an NRA member. I wouldn't consider myself poor, religiously fanatical, or racist trash. I don't see what you're getting at honestly.

I wouldn't consider myself a republican either. I'm a liberterian. Democrats have some good ideas, but also have some really awful and crushing ones to go with them. I think a lot of people agree with me. I'll probably be voting for Ron Paul, maybe McCain. Definitely not the other 2.
is r.p. running in the general election? i dont see why he would, because most states have sore loser laws.
don't know, i've been way behind on this stuff and i'll be the first to admit it. if i can, i will most likely vote for him and i don't look at it as a 'wasted' vote for various reasons.
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I don't know him very well but Ralph Nader sounds like someone who should have some role in any government. Not as a President but at least as a critical voice and a spokesperson for the people?
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I don't know him very well but Ralph Nader sounds like someone who should have some role in any government. Not as a President but at least as a critical voice and a spokesperson for the people?
he was the main reason gore lost in 2000, so im sure he isnt too popular with dems.
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If Kerry wasn't a dumbass he would have won 4 years ago. Obama won't drop the ball, but the vast majority of our country is poor, religiously fanatical, racist trash. For example, a dude near my work has a truck with the plate "GOP NRA". Hopefully there aren't too many people scared of the dauwkie's.
I'm an NRA member. I wouldn't consider myself poor, religiously fanatical, or racist trash. I don't see what you're getting at honestly.

I wouldn't consider myself a republican either. I'm a liberterian. Democrats have some good ideas, but also have some really awful and crushing ones to go with them. I think a lot of people agree with me. I'll probably be voting for Ron Paul, maybe McCain. Definitely not the other 2.

Its funny.

You mention the Democrats, and your opinion about their ideas, but you never mentioned the Republicans (their direct competitors, if you wish) and your opinion about their ideas for comparison. As stated, it seems as if you will simply vote for any Republican "because".


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To me this seems very, very, very shallow thinking. Remind yourself about the task at hand, since there is a lot at stake this time. You are choosing the president of a country which many other countries have come to depend upon [even though a sizeable portion of that country seems to be ignorant to the fact that other countries exist].

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if a dem will ever win in a hu match its now. its been a long while since a dem has won without being luckier than the gop. people hate gop more now than ever. i dont think that obama will bring out much of the racist vote against him since i bet racists already vote, but he will bring out some minority and youth vote.

the biggest problem imo is hrc just not giving it to him. this is wasted time, and the dems need it to win. it could be lost kinda easily if hrc takes this to august since a lot of obama strength will come from spending and campaigning.

mccain isn't going to gain many votes, yet obama can. i will be very angry if mccain gets it. im not dem, rp was my main man, but i do understand that balance is key and we are in desperate need of a dem in now, especially one that will end the war and further bed down the religious right
 
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imo lukie, you shouldve added that you think george w. bush sucks at the end of your post. you probably wouldnt be getting attacked for pretty much no reason.
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[Ralph Nader] was the main reason gore lost in 2000, so im sure he isnt too popular with dems.
The main reason? So you see the electoral fraud as having only a minor role in Bush's "victory"?
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imo lukie, you shouldve added that you think george w. bush sucks at the end of your post. you probably wouldnt be getting attacked for pretty much no reason.
lol I know, it's funny. I think he's a terrible president. I don't particularly like the republicans at all really, I just see them as the lesser of the two evils generally.

*sigh* the 2 party system we have sucks...
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If Kerry wasn't a dumbass he would have won 4 years ago. Obama won't drop the ball, but the vast majority of our country is poor, religiously fanatical, racist trash. For example, a dude near my work has a truck with the plate "GOP NRA". Hopefully there aren't too many people scared of the dauwkie's.
I'm an NRA member. I wouldn't consider myself poor, religiously fanatical, or racist trash. I don't see what you're getting at honestly.

I wouldn't consider myself a republican either. I'm a liberterian. Democrats have some good ideas, but also have some really awful and crushing ones to go with them. I think a lot of people agree with me. I'll probably be voting for Ron Paul, maybe McCain. Definitely not the other 2.

Its funny.

You mention the Democrats, and your opinion about their ideas, but you never mentioned the Republicans (their direct competitors, if you wish) and your opinion about their ideas for comparison. As stated, it seems as if you will simply vote for any Republican "because".


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Agree with you about what? That the Democrats have good ideas, but also have some really awful and crushing ones to go with them, and that because of that you should vote for any Republican really, without equally considering what they bring to the table?

To me this seems very, very, very shallow thinking. Remind yourself about the task at hand, since there is a lot at stake this time. You are choosing the president of a country which many other countries have come to depend upon [even though a sizeable portion of that country seems to be ignorant to the fact that other countries exist].

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why the hostility? i'm perfectly aware of what's at stake. you like dems, I don't. you don't like republicans...... neither do I really. and yes I do think a lot of people agree with me. I took a president as bad as GWB to get some democrats finally voted into congress . Otherwise it would still be looking like R/R/R...
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If Kerry wasn't a dumbass he would have won 4 years ago. Obama won't drop the ball, but the vast majority of our country is poor, religiously fanatical, racist trash. For example, a dude near my work has a truck with the plate "GOP NRA". Hopefully there aren't too many people scared of the dauwkie's.
I'm an NRA member. I wouldn't consider myself poor, religiously fanatical, or racist trash. I don't see what you're getting at honestly.

I wouldn't consider myself a republican either. I'm a liberterian. Democrats have some good ideas, but also have some really awful and crushing ones to go with them. I think a lot of people agree with me. I'll probably be voting for Ron Paul, maybe McCain. Definitely not the other 2.
is r.p. running in the general election? i dont see why he would, because most states have sore loser laws.
don't know, i've been way behind on this stuff and i'll be the first to admit it. if i can, i will most likely vote for him and i don't look at it as a 'wasted' vote for various reasons.
Ron paul isn't running cause he would have to give up his seat in congress then. He hasn't dropped out of the republican race yet though and his supporters will most definitely stir alot of things up at the GOP national convention.
The dems will most certainly take this election. By the end of this year the US economy will be in very bad shape and that and Iraq will be the main topics.
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[Ralph Nader] was the main reason gore lost in 2000, so im sure he isnt too popular with dems.
The main reason? So you see the electoral fraud as having only a minor role in Bush's "victory"?
lol. thanks jesse jackson.

there are essentially two differences between the gop and dems, and that is that gop is for lower taxes and the for the war, and dems visa versa.
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I don't know why this wasnt over sooner. Dragging it out like this cant be good for their party.
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what i want to know is if this in fact is true, will barack obama get a divorce to win a shot at the presidency? lol, hes such a fucking worm, i wouldn't be surprised.

http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/06...rant-tape.html

also something really intriguing to me is that hillary won the popular vote by a very narrow margin, correct? well nobody seems to be to her defense saying omg she deserves that seat etc., etc. whereas, when gore won the popular vote in 2000, people wouldnt, and still dont, stfu about it. fair?
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what i want to know is if this in fact is true, will barack obama get a divorce to win a shot at the presidency? lol, hes such a fucking worm, i wouldn't be surprised.

http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/06...rant-tape.html

also something really intriguing to me is that hillary won the popular vote by a very narrow margin, correct? well nobody seems to be to her defense saying omg she deserves that seat etc., etc. whereas, when gore won the popular vote in 2000, people wouldnt, and still dont, stfu about it. fair?
That's probably because Obama didn't rig the election to win.
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what i want to know is if this in fact is true, will barack obama get a divorce to win a shot at the presidency? lol, hes such a fucking worm, i wouldn't be surprised.

http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/06...rant-tape.html

also something really intriguing to me is that hillary won the popular vote by a very narrow margin, correct? well nobody seems to be to her defense saying omg she deserves that seat etc., etc. whereas, when gore won the popular vote in 2000, people wouldnt, and still dont, stfu about it. fair?
That's probably because Obama didn't rig the election to win.
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sorry not interested in far left wing conspiracy theories.
I think you need to be careful about bandying around terms like "far left wing". Perhaps you might want to consider some of history's most famous far left-wingers, like Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini. I don't think proposing a theory at all equates to their crimes. Drawing that parallel is at best misguided, and at worst extremely offensive. The idea that that election was rigged comes predominately from the left-wing, yes, but to ambiguate between left-wing, and far left-wing serves no one, and is perhaps a little hysterical.

As for your classing it as a conspiracy theory, well, whilst you might be technically correct in that the theory suggests people conspired, I'm sure that you're implying that it's a ludicrously wild idea, beyond the scope of rational thinking. I don't think that's the case. There is a good chance that it's right. Don't get me wrong, there is also a good chance that it isn't. However, neither option is so beyond reasonable doubt as to be ladened with the implicit meaning of "conspiracy theory". There is a lot of evidence to suggest that that election was rigged, and if you weigh all the evidence and conclude the election was fair, and are reasonable, you have to think of someone who has concluded differently as at worst wrong, but not wild, or extreme in their deduction.
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fair enough dj. however, i think this is predominantly a far left theory, and the reason is that virtually every far left person believes it, whereas not every normal left winger believes it. and then there are a lot of liberals who are unsure, but open to the possibility.
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Rofl @ describing rigging that election as a theory.

I guess that runs right along with the crazy liberals' theory of the holocaust eh?
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the election was rigged, there remain tens of thousands of uncounted votes. Why? The recount was stalled until it was not possible to complete it by the deadline. Then it was ruled that the votes could indeed be counted, but guess what? The deadline has passed, so too bad. How high up did this election fraud go? Its hard to say, but it certainly doesnt help that it took place in the state that GWB's brother governs.
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[Ralph Nader] was the main reason gore lost in 2000, so im sure he isnt too popular with dems.
The main reason? So you see the electoral fraud as having only a minor role in Bush's "victory"?
lol. thanks jesse jackson.

there are essentially two differences between the gop and dems, and that is that gop is for lower taxes and the for the war, and dems visa versa.
first off, there were a few reasons gore lost that election. The main reason was a horrible campaign strategy where he distanced himself from President clinton and his glorious economic record over his 8 years in office. when it came right down to it, noone cared about anything else since they were all getting rich.

even with this horrid strategic blunder, he was still in good enough shape to pull it out, until he ran into florida and it's corrupt officials, one of which shortly after calling a halt to the recount process got a sweet job in the Bush government. hmmm.

On to the second topic, everyone always says that the GOP is for lower taxes and smaller government, and they are conservative so they must be for fiscally conservative policies. But that is clearly not the case. The last two times that a republican president has been in power, after 8 years the economy has been in the shitter. this is not a coincidence. their policy of reducing taxes on the ultra rich and the corporations, while ballooning government spending on useless and needless things destroys the economy.

their policies of removing regulations on corporations while removing freedoms from individuals is bad for society. they are only in favour of lower taxes on them and their buddies, and only in favour of more rights and freedoms for them and their buddies, not for the average citizen.

I am not saying that the democrats are any better, just saying....
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Old 06-05-2008, 05:33 PM #40 (permalink)  
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I have learned in my 3 years on FTR that politics and FTR don't mix.
im learning over time. but this thread isnt that bad or tilting me at all, because while we disagree, nobody is at each others throat or being disrespectful. however, i feel like if i make another post defending my position, it will get bad, so i wont!
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I have learned in my 3 years on FTR that politics and FTR don't mix.
im learning over time. but this thread isnt that bad or tilting me at all, because while we disagree, nobody is at each others throat or being disrespectful. however, i feel like if i make another post defending my position, it will get bad, so i wont!
Yeah I hear you.

It's amazing how much people will hate/dislike you if you have even slightly different political views from themselves. This is not just an FTR thing either obviously.
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I have learned in my 3 years on FTR that politics and FTR don't mix.
im learning over time. but this thread isnt that bad or tilting me at all, because while we disagree, nobody is at each others throat or being disrespectful. however, i feel like if i make another post defending my position, it will get bad, so i wont!
Yeah I hear you.

It's amazing how much people will hate/dislike you if you have even slightly different political views from themselves. This is not just an FTR thing either obviously.
i disagree. it is not amazing and now i hate you
 
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damn. as long as u keep your avatar tho ill still probably like u.
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All I want is someone in charge of the White House who can build relationships with other countries and is not afraid to use diplomacy. I'm in New Zealand, far away from the rest of the world, but if America fucks up we all feel it.
This is good too.

I don't care too much about their policies. "Rebulicrat, Democran, it's a one party system." I'm looking for a leader, and someone I'm happy to have representing our country.

Lukie, I didn't say everyone in the NRA is a nutjob. It's the majority of people who live more than 5 miles from a major city.

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surely the fact that >90% of black voters voted for obama had nothing to do with voting based on race....
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All I want is someone in charge of the White House who can build relationships with other countries and is not afraid to use diplomacy. I'm in New Zealand, far away from the rest of the world, but if America fucks up we all feel it.
This is good too.

I don't care too much about their policies. "Rebulicrat, Democran, it's a one party system." I'm looking for a leader, and someone I'm happy to have representing our country.

Lukie, I didn't say everyone in the NRA is a nutjob. It's the majority of people who live more than 5 miles from a major city.

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Without reading the link (yet), I think I agree with you. I'm not a redneck or anything, I just happen to think legal gun ownership is an important thing for this country.
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Lukie, I didn't say everyone in the NRA is a nutjob. It's the majority of people who live more than 5 miles from a major city.
You're most likely to be a nutjob if you...?

A) Look at a map of a vast country, and choose the tiny pinprick with the least space to yourself. The most expensive prices for dwellings. The place with the least fresh food. The highest rate of air pollution. The highest murder rate. The biggest terrorist target. The highest overall crime rate. The highest cost of living. The place where a nights sleep is noisiest. The place with the most traffic congestion. The place where the night-sky is least visible.

B) Don't do A).
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I didn't read this whole thread, so sorry if its redundant.

I hope Barrack Obama does not have Hillary on the VP slot. I heard on the talk show bs, if she was on the ticket, he better get a food taster.
we all know what that means, and I hope no shit like that would go down, but if she was on the ticket and something happened to Barrack, there would be way to many conspiroucy(spelling?) theories out there.
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surely the fact that >90% of black voters voted for obama had nothing to do with voting based on race....
There's a big difference between voting for someone because he's black vs. voting against someone for the same reason.
 
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surely the fact that >90% of black voters voted for obama had nothing to do with voting based on race....
There's a big difference between voting for someone because he's black vs. voting against someone for the same reason.
i disagree. its still racist voting either way you cut the cookie.
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