ADD and ADHD are bullshit.
Thoughts?
04-14-2014 03:33 PM
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ADD and ADHD are bullshitADD and ADHD are bullshit. | |
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04-14-2014 03:43 PM
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Stop eating so much fucking sugar and starch and watch things change. | |
04-14-2014 03:53 PM
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04-14-2014 05:58 PM
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It's probably a real problem but one which gets over-diagnosed. Any disease that facilitates the easy acquisition of desirable drugs is going to be prey to this, whether it be ADHD with stimulants like Adderall or fibromyalgia for pain-killers. And it works from both sides, patients anxious to get their hands on the drugs and the healthcare industry anxious to peddle more product. | |
Last edited by Renton; 04-14-2014 at 06:06 PM. | |
04-14-2014 06:08 PM
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This. Plus, a lot of the time looking at someone's diet and changing it can make a big difference. A woman I know that deals with children that are diagnosed with ADD or ADHD, she first started asking parents about what their child's diet consisted of - and she said quite a few times the parent would just be like, "We've already fixed the diet, we just want a pill to fix it." - honestly that's the problem. So many things are quickly given a pill to 'fix' - which in my opinion is never going to truly help the way a person needs it. | |
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04-14-2014 06:09 PM
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And teachers and parents quick to diagnose a child that they have a hard time keeping the attention of. | |
04-14-2014 06:10 PM
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04-14-2014 06:12 PM
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What sort of temperaments/chemical imbalances/moral misalignments/etc do or should qualify as a pathology of the mind is WAY THE FUCK out of my scope to argue. qualifies as a pathology | |
04-14-2014 06:14 PM
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But I will say, I have heard at least a hundred, maybe more people tell me that they, or one of their children have one of these afflictions but have never been diagnosed. I can guarantee none of them have it. If your child can sit through a two hour movie that they are interested in and not make a peep, they don't have ADD. Sitting on a couch for 4 hours a night watching reality TV and saying you can't read a small book to improve your health because you have it is pretty slim pickings. | |
04-14-2014 06:30 PM
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A child with ADHD could very easily sit through a 2-hour movie of interest without making a peep. If they have issues with hyperactivity/impulsivity, obviously just the mere act of sitting still for anything is a struggle, but watching an interesting movie isn't at all a problem for someone with the inattentiveness brand of ADHD. | |
04-14-2014 06:54 PM
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I couldn't make it through this whole thread. What does it mean?!? | |
04-14-2014 06:57 PM
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The thing is, I'm diagnosed as having ADHD, and yes, I sometimes have difficulty staying focused on one thing without going off doing or looking at something else. Usually mine is worse when I'm more anxious, and the way I deal with all of that is just sitting and taking a few deep breaths to really center and ground myself - then I'm good. | |
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04-14-2014 07:54 PM
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Reversal: Neurobiological Origin of Attention Deficit Disorder Discovered | |
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04-14-2014 09:03 PM
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maybe we weren't meant to sit in a fucking desk typing mindless on a hunk of plastic | |
04-15-2014 10:54 AM
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Maybe meaning is not a property of the universe, but a symptom (conceit?) of consciousness. | |
04-15-2014 11:40 AM
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So what MadMojoMonkey is trying to say, if he spoke coherent English, is that ADD and ADHD are bullshit. | |
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04-15-2014 12:17 PM
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For me, it's not so much about whether drugs can "solve" our "problems" so much as it is our conception of "solve" and "problem" when it comes to ADHD. The medical sciences have quite a straightforward conception of pathologies and cures; pathologies are things that kill you; cures are things that get rid of the things that kill you. However, getting a good score on your SATs isn't quite the same as forcing cancer into remission. | |
Last edited by surviva316; 04-15-2014 at 12:20 PM. | |
04-15-2014 09:02 PM
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I mean... make sure you get your vitamins (not from pills if possible)... and don't forget to breath... | |
04-15-2014 09:03 PM
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oh yeah: | |
04-15-2014 09:29 PM
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04-15-2014 10:51 PM
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As lazy as spoon's trolling is, goddamn does it produce RESULTS | |
04-15-2014 10:54 PM
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04-16-2014 08:31 AM
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04-16-2014 01:27 PM
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God damn, that's a good quote. | |
04-16-2014 05:27 PM
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I actually made this thread to illustrate the difference: | |
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04-16-2014 06:47 PM
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I believe that if a female accuses a man of rape, that we as a society should take her word at face value and lock him up, just in case. Men are dangerous beasts unable to control their carnal urges | |
04-16-2014 07:23 PM
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Here's a great example of this kind of thing. | |
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04-17-2014 10:21 AM
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I've long-since realized that spoon's OPs aren't to be taken at face value. That said, spoon's method is basically to take a controversial topic, say something that's maybe a bit extreme or blunt but still very representative of what a lot of people think on that topic, and then we all jump in and discuss that. Whether spoon does or doesn't himself believe those things is kind of irrelevant because it's not really like any of us take it personally anyway. | |
04-17-2014 10:42 AM
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04-17-2014 11:04 AM
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Yes we all have hints of various psychopathologies, but until it reaches a point where it's negatively affecting our ability to function on a day to day basis, it's typically not considered a pathology. | |
04-17-2014 01:12 PM
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It's not just human error or the infancy of psychology at play. Pathology in psychology is necessarily, by definition subjective (or at least when it comes to "Deviances" and "Dysfunctions"). Again, medical sciences generally work on curing things that kill you or accelerate your death, which is a pretty damned objective benchmark to work against. Even when the goal is subjective (like improving quality of life), the subject is the patient and pretty much the patient only. | |
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04-17-2014 02:15 PM
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Adderall is great until you're a goddamn mindless drone. | |
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04-17-2014 03:31 PM
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I believe that the subjectivity surrounding psychopathology is a byproduct of its immaturity as a discipline, and that eventually everything will be quantifiable. | |
04-17-2014 03:45 PM
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Humans are weird. That is all. | |
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04-17-2014 04:50 PM
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I don't just mean subjective as wishy washy or open to conjecture. I mean it very literally; as in many pathologies are, in their essence, contingent. As in, not all pathologies are absolute. | |
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04-17-2014 06:15 PM
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04-17-2014 07:59 PM
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04-17-2014 09:39 PM
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When things get a bit fuzzy, you draw a line in the sand out of convenience. If you have the luxury of making the distinction, you consider many fuzzy lines, and weight them the best you can. games of incomplete information something something. | |
04-18-2014 10:30 AM
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Even Snopes has to admit Eisenberg (doctor who first named it) admitted it was all made up lol . . . | |
04-18-2014 11:18 AM
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I mean the fact that america has ~5-10x the adhd rates of europe has to scream overdiagnosis. Or something in the water maybe. Or maybe it's diet, or america's shitty public schools. I blame Obama. | |
04-18-2014 01:19 PM
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Daven, you're not even American. How would you know? | |
04-18-2014 01:20 PM
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It could very well be all of those things. Surely poor performance in school is the main impetus for just about all of the doctor visits that lead to a diagnosis. Is standardized testing emphasized nearly as much in Europe as it is in the states? Is a normal cafeteria lunch pizza, french fries and a 32 oz soda (it definitely is in the US)? Are there as big of stigmas against therapy? Do parents work less (my understanding is that this is a huge yes in European countries)? Do kids regularly participate in more/less extracurricular activities? Are those activities more academic/arts based than US's predominant sports extracurriculars (I was a straight up nerd who loved math, reading and board games, but my spring schedule was lacrosse + baseball + karate all at once)? | |
04-18-2014 07:53 PM
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isn't it 'effect' not 'affect' here? I ain't no pro writer or 'nuthin', just a simple type who believes that ain't no child should be leff behind | |
04-19-2014 01:27 AM
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No, I meant affect in it's clitorial usage. | |
04-20-2014 07:46 AM
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Everybody's somewhere on the scale and some people no doubt have a real problem, but I'm inclined to think it's bullshit for the majority of kids diagnosed and just weak parents looking for a medical reason as to why their kid is badly behaved, rather than face the fact that their kid's bad behaviour is a function of their parenting. I think some are also looking for the easy solution that medication provides once a diagnosis is made. | |
04-20-2014 12:25 PM
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While we're sharing videos on ADHD, I highly recommendthis one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U. | |
04-20-2014 10:31 PM
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http://showyou.com/v/y-5GBMS7WPFSs/h...u=robertma4171 | |
04-21-2014 01:36 AM
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As I was gonna say earlier: | |
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04-21-2014 01:45 AM
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If you have several of these qualities more than just anecdotally--as in, wellllllllll beyond just being like, "Oh man, remember when I locked my keys in my car TWICE in a row?" or like, "Oh yeah, I'm totally not as good at keeping up with conversations as my wife is"; as in, everyone who knows you well enough has at some point had a very serious and concerned look dawn on them as they say, "OMG, you {did/didn't do/forgot/etc} what for the 100th time?! There's no excuse for that. You have a serious problem. Something has to be done with this if you ever hope to be a functioning human being"; as in, you have shown tangible signs, like testing as a slower reader than a 7th grader or having handwriting that is (regardless of how diligent you are) illegible--then a mental health professional might be able to help you with your very serious problem that is making it seemingly impossible to get along in society. | |
04-21-2014 08:30 PM
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04-21-2014 08:47 PM
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I think I have ADD. | |
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04-21-2014 10:08 PM
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Hours-long grind sessions (just not much poker anymore)... probably not ADD. | |
04-21-2014 11:17 PM
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04-22-2014 08:02 AM
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04-24-2014 02:08 PM
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Imagine if most teachers were male and they were encouraging parents to drug 20% of little girls. | |
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04-24-2014 02:35 PM
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Wow, such an interesting topic, and I can tell that there are interesting facts buried somewhere in there. Unfortunately, it was written by Esquire, so I have to wade through paragraphs-worth of 100% editorialization, like this gem: | |
04-24-2014 04:07 PM
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04-24-2014 04:50 PM
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You're succeeding in trolling insofar as you're saying things that people might very well say. But the rhetoric of "masculinity" and "acting like girls" and "manning up" is all so meaningless to me that if someone sincerely said this to me in conversation (even an internet conversation), I'd just be like, "So let's conversation something else." | |
04-24-2014 05:12 PM
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+1 | |
04-25-2014 12:32 AM
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04-25-2014 12:53 AM
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04-25-2014 09:22 AM
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04-25-2014 10:07 AM
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You're talking out of your ass with watered down words whose definitions are so soft and circumstantial that any sentence constructed of them is perhaps not fully meaningless, but close enough. | |
04-25-2014 10:38 AM
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Let's not lose sight of what really matters here guys: | |
04-25-2014 02:07 PM
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04-25-2014 05:22 PM
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We may not be too far apart on this; it's just the gender spin you put on this that is kinda meaningless to me. | |
04-25-2014 08:33 PM
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To recap: | |
04-25-2014 09:59 PM
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04-26-2014 09:21 AM
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Related, more moderate, and close to my true opinion on the subject: http://ideas.time.com/2013/08/19/sch...stile-to-boys/ | |
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04-26-2014 11:23 AM
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y'all mother fuckers need jesus. | |
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04-26-2014 12:52 PM
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04-27-2014 10:21 AM
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So the therapists say if you have OCD you must be forced to lick toilet seats. Which is unnatural, unhygienic and possibly harmful. | |
04-27-2014 11:49 AM
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I might have ADHD, I need to check if I get more money from benefits if I have that shit. | |
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04-27-2014 11:52 AM
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04-27-2014 05:40 PM
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ODD is even worse than ADHD as far as being a crock of shit goes. | |
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