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03-03-2006, 10:09 PM
Post subject: The 2 + 2 thread {EDIT: THIS IS A WARNING TO ALL - XIANTI}
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Fnord
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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What was your reasoning behind posting it on 2+2, knowing that there is a greater number of harsh critics there?
If PMs from FTR guys expressing their gratitude is good enough for you, I don't see why you need to post it over there.
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Well said, Rippy.
I was finding the 2+2 thread entertaining, and I don't know why UG locked the thread here 'cause I don't think anyone was trashing you, we were just enjoying the show, but whatever...
Welcome home?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by dwarfman
What was your reasoning behind posting it on 2+2, knowing that there is a greater number of harsh critics there?
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Good question.
Rippy just doesn't speak the same language as a lot of us reguarding poker. For starters, he mostly plays stacks and has a good feel for chicken. This starts to come out when you get him past chest pounding and other results oriented spew.
Then come around to accept that he's probably a winning player. Then stop focusing on what he's doing wrong, that's too darn easy and start looking for the value he finds that makes up for all of that.
Finnally, a lot of his stuff works against weaker players. Strong, (mostly) cash players get the best of him. But weaker players are where all the money is anyway...
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Phantaroth
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I think your over-reacting to the FTR thread.
I thought the person who locked it over reacted as well.
It was indeed incorrectly titled but no one in it was being a dick, and saying bad things about you, so I don't see what the problem is.
And I agree with your comments about the other forum.
Edit: And also I think you very rarely on FTR get criticized by anyone, most ppl here seem to enjoy your strategy. 
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Phantaroth
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O gosh, and i take back anything good I said about you.
You seem more stuck up then anyone who ever criticized you in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
Dwarfman you are one of those assholes. You are a mosquito on my ass. STFU and go masturbate to the lingerie section in the Sears catalog you little worm. You are a nobody. I hope you get run over by a double decker bus you judgemental little rodent. Stop following me everywhere...you are worse than a little one legged dog that I picked up at the animal shelter. . I value the brown crust on my shit-stained underwear more than I value your pea-brained opinions.
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I was only asking a legitimate question...
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Phantaroth
O gosh, and i take back anything good I said about you.
You seem more stuck up then anyone who ever criticized you in the first place.
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The internet brings out the worst in some people. Also, how much do being a nice guy and playing well (enough to have something interesting to say) have in common?
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Phantaroth
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Nothing.
Ripptyde might be a good or great player, dont know, dont really care.
But come on, why be a dick to a legitimatley nice forum member like that?
I have no respect for this kind of behavior in a person, poker skills or not.
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they're just haters who can't come to terms with 06 being the year of the tyde
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Phantaroth
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K if there are pre existing issues then i'll stay out of it, I was just a bit suprised at your response to his post. <3 you both I guess, I don't know either of you well enough to comment further. :P
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I have my own issues with Dwarfman for his 'stalking'...its been a curse I have to live with. he is impossible to get rid of. And this 'legitimately nice' forum member also happens to be a backstabber and a gossip artist. He is a cancer on my ass
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Note that I do not want to turn this thread into a pissing contest, so I do not intend to post here again.
Just consider the irony in your statement.
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Phantaroth
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anyway... ehh... back on topic?!~!
Yeah! those 2+2 scumbags!
Amiritie?
*rescues this thread from being locked!*
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This thread is un-lockable.
Ive decided if shit is gonna hit the fan, it'll happen here or no where else.
Though, I doubt shit will hit the fan since I dont really see the big issue here.
That thread was just pointing out the rippy was getting torn a new one over at 2+2, not to spread a rumor that he had left. UG locked it becuase he felt it was taking a negative spin and I respect his opinion on that (and didnt feel strongly enough to have it unlocked)
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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03-03-2006, 11:20 PM
Post subject: Re: The 2 + 2 thread
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
all I can say is : look at my results
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is poker really one of those things where u can judge someones ability to play the game based on results?
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03-03-2006, 11:22 PM
Post subject: Re: The 2 + 2 thread
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Originally Posted by vqc
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
all I can say is : look at my results
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is poker really one of those things where u can judge someones ability to play the game based on results? |
In the long-term, yes. In the short-term, no.
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Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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03-03-2006, 11:25 PM
Post subject: Re: The 2 + 2 thread
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
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Originally Posted by vqc
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
all I can say is : look at my results
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is poker really one of those things where u can judge someones ability to play the game based on results? |
In the long-term, yes. In the short-term, no. |
If Rippy ever opened his mind to the approach other winning players take to this game it could have a huge impact on his earn. Until that day comes along, you may as well be speaking greek.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
what exactly do you consider 'short term'...I have been posting wins from over a year and a 1/2 ago
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Time durration is irrelevent. Stuff like number of entries and ROI is. The wins mean a lot to you personally, but are meaningless to your "critics."
Also, simulation and real world results have both shown WILD swings playing poker. Particularly with styles like yours.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
what exactly do you consider 'short term'...I have been posting wins from over a year and a 1/2 ago
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If you are asking whether my statement was directly related to you, as a player, the answer is no.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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rippy Im not talking shit, Im stating facts, so if you reply to this with some bitching and moaning then Ill just ignore you and this thread from now on.
5 mtt wins is NOT a lot. 11 ft's is NOT a lot. And according to thepokerdb, you could very well be a losing player over hte long term. Only you could tell us this for sure. But I believe reading that your ROI is just over 100%, and you have a totoal of like 45k winnings. So you have profitted 22.5k. Right? Wrong... We all know your preferred tournament is one with a rebuy structure. We all know you spend a lot of rebuys on average in the rebuy hour. So really, if you add in all the rebuys, and then factor in what youve lost at cash games (Im not talking shit, but I think its safe to say you are a losing player over the long run at cash games..?) And you really havent won that much, if any. So maybe you should relax on throwing your results in peoples faces as proof of your poker strategyies?
Again, take it for face value, Im not trying to talk shit, all Ive expressed is a possible conclusion that was reached through logical reasoning. If you want to bitch and moan and throw insults at me fine, but that will only further prove to me that the above is true.
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Originally Posted by boostNslide
(Im not talking shit, but I think its safe to say you are a losing player over the long run at cash games..?)
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I don't think it's safe to say either way. Also consider that I've seen him put in a lot of time at the lower levels ($25NL 6 max, $11 SnGs (many multi-table.)) Not enough data.
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I agree... but with the data hes providing and the data that we can get from thepokerdb, it doesnt look too good for him.
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I dont understand why someone complains about others hating and then begin hating themselves.
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Fnord
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Fnord you are assuming that I don't have my eyes wide open already.
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Oh and Boost for the record...I did happen to take 13th place in arguably the biggest tourney on the internet with just under 4000 entries. If I happen to take 1st ($169,000)...even second place....WE ARENT HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
All the bankroll management armchair quarterbacks are kissin my ass, and your beloved statistics on ROI and events played aint worth the corn in my shit. |
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I still find it fascinating how people are so quick to break my stats down so they can show me how much I suck..lol
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Your distain for simple record keeping fustrates any attempt to say much of anything really. I know better than to write you off as a goof, as many others do, but beyond that, *shrug*
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yes rippy, but... you got 13th, not 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th or 12th. Thirteenth. So we are having this discussion. If I didnt get one outted a month ago, my roll would be much healthier and I wouldnt be as upset over this terrible swing at sngs Im taking, but that didnt happen, so Im not gonna live my life in "what if" land. If you chose to, have fun.
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I havent yet looked at that thread on 2+2 but I will. Most of the people here on ftr think that you have a lot of potential (myself included) but you really dont seem to have no idea what "a winning player" means. sure, we can talk about $$$ won in tournaments but when we reduce the tournament fees all that matters is our net income (or ROI). It's like saying that I have won 1ook in cash games this year but also lost 99k. I am totally with fnord here about keeping statistics and almost everything else too (and I dont agree with him a whole lot of time).
Also, it again seems to come back to br management, eventhough a player would be a winning player in long term if you dont respect any br management rules you will bust. period. you know that. I dont wanna borrow money for gambling, I think that is even worse than borrowing money for alcohol/drugs. Respect and understand variance and dont curse the "fish who call too much so that you cant win". If you win "the sklansky dollars" you win in the long run. sorry for this ramble but I really think that you should start to understand why so many people here (including me) are a bit sensitive about some threads of yours and some ideas of yours.
This all shit being said, your MTT guides, especially the first edition, when I started playing poker, have truly inspired me.
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Does anyone else see the hilarious irony in this statement?
"all I can say is : look at my results"
I could go on, but you and your worshippers might eat me alive.
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yes if you won 150k that would be huge... but what you obviously cant wrap your brain around is the fact that if you won that due to positive variance while making a -ev decision, then you still have lost in the long run. And if you continue after your big break to play the same you will eventually lose it. Youll lose it all, and then youll look like a fool.
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Its just a like a black jack addict, or any other gambler. They are just waiting for taht hot streak, that big one, and then everythign will change, they keep convincing you, after that one big win everything will change. How will it change? If you are making -ev decisions and end up with 150k, how will anything change? Really unless you reevalute your game, and stop doing -ev things, that 150k will only turn right back into zero. Z-E-R-O.
Really, I think Im done after this post, I feel like this is the atheist vs theist thread... if you believe you can donk your fucking way to millions, have fun crashing and burning. IF you do make it, you still made a terrible decision and it doenst bother me. Ive lost all respect I ever had for you, you arent making any sense and sound like the classic person with a gambling problem. And its sad because you are selling your ideas as sound poker strategy. Some of them are fine, but put together they are -ev and amount to nothing more then gambling.
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