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Old 04-29-2008, 05:28 PM     Post subject: {split from rentons thread cause old guys hate rap} #1 (permalink)  
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 Which rap CD's need to be listened to?

Nas- Illmatic
Best rapper, and his best CD. If you haven't heard this album 50 times through you're not a fan of rap.

Gangstarr - Moment of Truth
Gangstarr- The Ownerz
DJ Premier is the fucking jam so you know when he produces for an entire album it's going to be good. Both these CD's are Gangstarr's best imo.

Eminem - Marshall Mathers LP
I almost put Slim Shady LP up there too, both are definitely a great listen. But this is seriously one of the best CD's ever made.

Outkast - Southernplayalisticcaddilacmusik
Outkast - Aquemini
Outkast - ATLiens

All these CD's are sick. Incredibly, they made 3 classic CD's and it's hard to choose a favorite.

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Infinite is my favourite Eminem album.

Also I hate rap in general but I've been impressed by Dead Pres, People under the stairs and Gangstarr.
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 biggie - ready to die
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biggie = the best there ever was, and the best there probably ever will be
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biggie - ready to die
pac - thug life vol. 1

biggie = the best there ever was, and the best there probably ever will be
pac = very close second
i like pac, but i seriously dont understand why everyone thinks he is like ZOMG GREAT.
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 pac's lyrics always have an undesribable content


biggie did not sing: he told stories with superduper amazing flow
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Black Star - s/t
Blackalicious - Nia
Blu & Exile - Below the Heavens
Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
Common - Be
Company Flow - Funcrusher Plus
Compton's Most Wanted - Music to Driveby
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Devin the Dude - Just Tryin' ta Live
Dr. Dre - The Chronic
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Freestyle Fellowship - Innercity Griots
GZA - Liquid Swords
Ghostface - Ironman
Ghostface - Supreme Clientele
Goodie Mob - Soul Food
Gravediggaz - 6 Feet Deep
Ice Cube - AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted
Ice Cube - Death Certificate
J Dilla - Donuts
Jay-Z - The Blueprint
Jedi Mind Tricks - Violent By Design
Kanye West - The College Dropout
Killah Priest - Heavy Mental
KMD - Black Bastards
Lootpack - Soundpieces: Da Antidote
Method Man & Redman - Blackout
Mobb Deep - Hell on Earth
Mobb Deep - The Infamous
Mos Def - Black on Both Sides
NWA - Efil4zaggin
Nas - Illmatic
Notorious BIG - Ready to Die
ODB - Return to the 36 Chambers
OutKast - Aquemini
OutKast - ATLiens
OutKast - Stankonia
The Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II The Pharcyde
Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet
Quasimoto - The Unseen
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Redman - Whut? Thee Album
Scarface - The Fix
Snoop Dogg - Doggystyle
Souls of Mischief - 93 til Infinity
Tha Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
A Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory
Twinz - Conversation
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the 36 Chambers

Those are all near-classics to me. Sorry to omit Pac but I don't think he put one great album together, though Makaveli is close.
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 slim shady lp>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>marshall mathers lp. it is the greatest rap album ever made.

most of biggie's stuff is amazing. 2pac is terrible.
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infinite=>slim shady lp>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>marshall mathers lp. it is the greatest rap album ever made.

most of biggie's stuff is amazing. 2pac is terrible.
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2pac is terrible.

i really can't take anything you say seriously now.

A bunch of new fire that I have been listening to. from the playlist.

Games new shit of LAX is fire.

Where you at is a track with Ray J. I have a release but only games verses. Its fire and if you hit me up on aim I will shoot it to you.

Big Dreams is his single thats been realeased, you can find it on you tube. Its also a slap.

Bishop Lamont is another artist that I posted about with no love. He just got signed to Aftermath and has released one song called Feel on It. Its a great song with a crazy beat of Bohemian monks in the background. You would never think anyone could do it but he throws it down.

Actin' Hollywood by Traxamillion a great song to cruise to. This is sorta a bay area hit if you can't find it i can ship on aim.

Rick Ross- Whippin the Bass. Not sure where this song comes from but my homies friend who is a DJ has it. Once again its chopped up so its only his verses.

Roll by Flo Rida and Sean King is a knock. Has a strong gambling theme also.
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dalecooper: if you didn't put kanye college dropout in there i think i would be in love.
FAIL.

kanye is an icon of this time period. his albums are so fucking solid, and while hes not on some omfg-damn-that-was-some-next-level-shit shit, he doesnt sound like other people and is constantly having sick songs featuring sick artists. Have you not heard Get Em' High? Still Dreaming? Better Than Ive Ever Been? Gone?
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as for biggie and tupac, idk I def like biggie better. However I honestly think they both are horribly overrated. Its the brandi complex, you die and suddenly youve got a place on this pedestal. They were both dope in their own right, but they just dont deserve "the best there everwas."

I always do get curious though why they got this sort of acclaim after death, yet big l hardly gets spoken about. BigL its way iller than either of them, hands down.
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infinite=>slim shady lp>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>marshall mathers lp. it is the greatest rap album ever made.

most of biggie's stuff is amazing. 2pac is terrible.
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slim shady lp is like a mix of marshall mathers and infinite. fwiw, they are both fucking great, so i dont think you say one is way better than the other.

and whilst were on the subject of best rappers, if you took eminems first 3 albums and compare them to pacs, eminem is so much better and its not even close. and also i think hes better than biggie. yes, thats right, i said it.
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infinite=>slim shady lp>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>marshall mathers lp. it is the greatest rap album ever made.

most of biggie's stuff is amazing. 2pac is terrible.
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slim shady lp is like a mix of marshall mathers and infinite. fwiw, they are both fucking great, so i dont think you say one is way better than the other.

and whilst were on the subject of best rappers, if you took eminems first 3 albums and compare them to pacs, eminem is so much better and its not even close. and also i think hes better than biggie. yes, thats right, i said it.
Im with you man... this needs to fucking start getting through peoples heads. Just because your ass is dead doesnt mean you are the best ever. I really just stop listening when people say one of them is the best ever in most cases. Because in most cases the person speaking lacks the ability to think critically.
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Honeys call me Bigga the condom filler
Whether it's stiff tongue or stiff dick
Biggie squeeze it to make shit fit, now check this shit
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And they say how do you survive weighin' 165
In a city where the skinny niggas die?
Tell Mama don't cry.
Even when they kill me,
They can never take the game from a young G.
I'm st8 ballin'!
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Picture me rollin' in my 500 benz.
I got no love for these niggas,
There's no need to be friends.
They got me under survailance.
That's what somebody be tellin' me.
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All my homies drinking liquor
Tears in everybody's eyes
Niggas cried to mourn a homies homicide
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So yeah, I kinda really dig Life After Death too, and Thug Life Vol. 1 and All Eyez on Me
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as for biggie and tupac, idk I def like biggie better. However I honestly think they both are horribly overrated. Its the brandi complex, you die and suddenly youve got a place on this pedestal. They were both dope in their own right, but they just dont deserve "the best there everwas."

wat


dude, if somebody can rap, tell a story, and flow like this, then by all means, tell me who


I kick flows for ya, kick down doors for ya
Even left all my motherfuckin hoes for ya
Niggaz think Frankie pussy whipped, nigga picture that
With a Kodak, Insta-ma-tak
We don't get down like that, lay my game down quite flat
Sweetness, where you parked at?
Petiteness but that ass fat
She got a body make a nigga wanna eat that, I'm fuck witchu
The bitch official doe, dick harder than a missile yo
Try to hit if she trippin dissapearin like Arsenio
Yo, the bitch push a double-oh
with the five in front, probably a connivin stunt
Y'all drive in front, I'm a peel with her
Find a deal with her, she fuck around and steal, huh?
Then we all get laced
Television's, Versacci heaven, when I'm up in em
The shit she kicked, all the shit's legit
She get dick from a player off the New York Knicks
Nigga tricked ridiculous, the shit was plush
She's stressin me to fuck, like she was in a rush
We fucked in his bed, quite dangerous
I'm in his ass while he playin gainst the Utah Jazz
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2pac was also excellent, but for other reasons, most of his good stuff
sent you into a poetical yoga without you even knowing. He always delivered some sort of sticking message.
i'm talking about stuff like these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdYTz6d7wHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfXwmDGJAB8



most of the new ones are dedicated strictly to commerce, fuck the rest of it
others try to flow, but fail miserably
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 this is one of my favorite freestyles of all time. biggie owns pac.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X_v-iAe-Unc

im not saying i dont like pac, but i certainly dont think hes top 10 best mc's of all time. i think if he were still alive, people wouldnt give him so much credit. there are so many sick mc's that dont get nearly enough credit, like the gza, sean price, method man, guru, and ofc soulja boy.
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 i also agree with you that most of the shit that comes out these days sucks it big time, especially main stream rap.
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biggie had lyrics but tupac's passion was unmatched.

my favorite album is illmatic.

i think aquemini is top 10 but not sure how many agree
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Aw baby, don't be fickle...

Seriously though, you have to at least respect Kanye for his production ability and overall vision. That album was such a curveball for hip hop, as creative as anything coming out of the underground, and yet it was a major hit. I have a lot of respect for the guy, despite the fact that he's a so-so rapper (not as bad as his rep though) and - obviously - a self-aggrandizing egomaniac.
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i think aquemini is top 10 but not sure how many agree
I think "Aquemini" and "ATLiens" are *both* at least top 15. Those two are unbelievable albums. Andre and Big Boi were both killing it every time they did a verse, and Organized Noize created these completely unique but also completely accessible songs for them to work over. I actually give the nod (barely) to "ATLiens" because I think it's the most consistent 'Kast album. It sounds like a concept album, every piece fitting together so well, and few hip hop records have that chilly vibe they did there. "Aquemini" has a couple of higher high points but also a handful of kind of weak tracks - I don't think anybody really rides for "Mamacita" or "Synthesizer," though I've learned to kind of enjoy both. But those first four, plus "Storytellin'" and "West Savannah"... damn. And I love the hell out of "Chonkyfire," what a weird left turn to take right at the end of the disc.
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i think aquemini is top 10 but not sure how many agree
I think "Aquemini" and "ATLiens" are *both* at least top 15. Those two are unbelievable albums. Andre and Big Boi were both killing it every time they did a verse, and Organized Noize created these completely unique but also completely accessible songs for them to work over. I actually give the nod (barely) to "ATLiens" because I think it's the most consistent 'Kast album. It sounds like a concept album, every piece fitting together so well, and few hip hop records have that chilly vibe they did there. "Aquemini" has a couple of higher high points but also a handful of kind of weak tracks - I don't think anybody really rides for "Mamacita" or "Synthesizer," though I've learned to kind of enjoy both. But those first four, plus "Storytellin'" and "West Savannah"... damn. And I love the hell out of "Chonkyfire," what a weird left turn to take right at the end of the disc.
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this is one of my favorite songs of all time

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Pete Rock used this same sample on an INI CD but its not as good as this one. P.U.S. is a pretty solid rap group, but nothing of there's is "outstanding" imo. I guess id say Acid Raindrops is my fav song of theirs, but OST and Question in the form of an answer are worth a listen.
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Southernplayalistik is about tied with Stankonia for me. I don't think the boys had totally found themselves yet. It's still an amazing record though.
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as for biggie and tupac, idk I def like biggie better. However I honestly think they both are horribly overrated. Its the brandi complex, you die and suddenly youve got a place on this pedestal. They were both dope in their own right, but they just dont deserve "the best there everwas."

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dude, if somebody can rap, tell a story, and flow like this, then by all means, tell me who
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Even left all my motherfuckin hoes for ya
Niggaz think Frankie pussy whipped, nigga picture that
With a Kodak, Insta-ma-tak
We don't get down like that, lay my game down quite flat
Sweetness, where you parked at?
Petiteness but that ass fat
She got a body make a nigga wanna eat that, I'm fuck witchu
The bitch official doe, dick harder than a missile yo
Try to hit if she trippin dissapearin like Arsenio
Yo, the bitch push a double-oh
with the five in front, probably a connivin stunt
Y'all drive in front, I'm a peel with her
Find a deal with her, she fuck around and steal, huh?
Then we all get laced
Television's, Versacci heaven, when I'm up in em
The shit she kicked, all the shit's legit
She get dick from a player off the New York Knicks
Nigga tricked ridiculous, the shit was plush
She's stressin me to fuck, like she was in a rush
We fucked in his bed, quite dangerous
I'm in his ass while he playin gainst the Utah Jazz
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2pac was also excellent, but for other reasons, most of his good stuff
sent you into a poetical yoga without you even knowing. He always delivered some sort of sticking message.
i'm talking about stuff like these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdYTz6d7wHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfXwmDGJAB8



most of the new ones are dedicated strictly to commerce, fuck the rest of it
others try to flow, but fail miserably
I never said either of them sucked. Hit Em Up is one of the sickest diss tracks, up there with ether and the ripper strikes back. And of course biggie is fucking ill, dont even need to support that claim. But just cuz someone is fucking sick as fuck doesnt mean they cant be overrated.
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lol ripper strikes back

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ha, word. I think theyre both dope. I guess I just gave LL more credit since he was actually doing something besides licking his lips.
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 im surprised at how little love wu tang is getting in this thread
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im surprised at how little love wu tang is getting in this thread
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we should do a thread like this all about the greatest diss/battle tracks.
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we should do a thread like this all about the greatest diss/battle tracks.
nas - ether. he tears jay-z a 2 new assholes.


edit: before anyone says it, ether>>>>>>>>>>>the takeover.
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speaking of that, has everyone seen this? has to be a top 5 moment in hip hop history

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 1) Marshall Mathers LP is "greater" than SS LP because it has a much wider appeal than Slim Shady LP, which is a little more underground and "in character." They both are almost equally as good though. And if you think infinite are better than both of those you're delusional, although the song infinite is one of my favorite eminem songs.

2) Kanye sucks as a rapper, he sucks so bad. Is he a good producer? Yes. Is he a great producer? yes. Has he basically completely sold out? Yes. He's always said that he'd like to be known as a rapper first, which has always pissed me off since he's such a great producer and should really just stick to that.

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1) Marshall Mathers LP is "greater" than SS LP because it has a much wider appeal than Slim Shady LP, which is a little more underground and "in character." They both are almost equally as good though. And if you think infinite are better than both of those you're delusional, although the song infinite is one of my favorite eminem songs.

2) Kanye sucks as a rapper, he sucks so bad. Is he a good producer? Yes. Is he a great producer? yes. Has he basically completely sold out? Yes. He's always said that he'd like to be known as a rapper first, which has always pissed me off since he's such a great producer and should really just stick to that.

3) Wutang needs more love, i agree.
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i would compare kanye to p. diddy (back when he produced beats for biggie). they are both atrocious behind the mic, but make good beats.
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Kanye kills Diddy on the mic and it's not even close. I won't stand up for him as a great MC, because he's not; but he has a good voice and gets off some good lines now and again. He's not embarrassing himself.

About the Wu: their early stuff is the best. I think I already listed "36 Chambers," "Return to...," "Iron Man," "Cuban Linx," and "Liquid Swords" (if I didn't, I shoulda). But not far behind is "Tical" and "Wu-Tang Forever." They've also had a few good ones recently after I thought they were completely done. Masta Killa's first album was really solid (didn't care too much for "Made in Brooklyn" though). Mathematics's album was nice too. And Ghost is still doing good work off and on, though I consider him more a solo artist than a Wu representative, any more.
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wtf... pdiddy produced beats? you sure?
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