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09-29-2008, 09:32 PM
Post subject: Self Discipline and Me
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This is the third operation thread I've started in as many months and will be my last at least for the next six or so months. I'm going to keep this one simple and not get too deep - it's more a way of tracking progress as much as anything else.
The one factor that has sapped any progress out of my game and bankroll in the 3 months I've been playing is self-discipline. Both in terms of bankroll management and while in the hand.
So the main aim of this operation is to develop self discipline. I've been reading up on the subject of self discipline lately and they say it's like a muscle that needs to be excercised to get stronger. So every day I'll make an effort away from the table to excercise it and then hopefully when I'm playing it will be there to support my game.
The second goal of the operation is to make $5,000 profit. If I can do that then I will have proved to myself I have developed good discipline, because I'll only be playing within good BR guidelines.
If I end up donking my bankroll before the end of the operation, I'm taking a forced 6 month break from poker as it will have proved to me that I'm not emotionally developed enough to succeed with my current mind/circumstance set.
I'm going to deposit $180 tomorrow and play $13 and below SNGS, this is below the reccomended BR guidelines I know, but I can top up in a week if need be, so the 180 isn't my whole bankroll. Going forward I will not play any higher buy in tournaments until I have at least 30 bi's.
I'll aim to update every 1 or 2 days! Cheers! Slevin out.
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09-29-2008, 09:39 PM
Post subject: Re: Self Discipline and Me
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Originally Posted by LuckySlevin
This is the third operation thread I've started in as many months and will be my last at least for the next six or so months. I'm going to keep this one simple and not get too deep - it's more a way of tracking progress as much as anything else.
The one factor that has sapped any progress out of my game and bankroll in the 3 months I've been playing is self-discipline. Both in terms of bankroll management and while in the hand.
So the main aim of this operation is to develop self discipline. I've been reading up on the subject of self discipline lately and they say it's like a muscle that needs to be excercised to get stronger. So every day I'll make an effort away from the table to excercise it and then hopefully when I'm playing it will be there to support my game.
The second goal of the operation is to make $5,000 profit. If I can do that then I will have proved to myself I have developed good discipline, because I'll only be playing within good BR guidelines.
If I end up donking my bankroll before the end of the operation, I'm taking a forced 6 month break from poker as it will have proved to me that I'm not emotionally developed enough to succeed with my current mind/circumstance set.
I'm going to deposit $180 tomorrow and play $13 and below SNGS, this is below the reccomended BR guidelines I know, but I can top up in a week if need be, so the 180 isn't my whole bankroll. Going forward I will not play any higher buy in tournaments until I have at least 30 bi's.
I'll aim to update every 1 or 2 days! Cheers! Slevin out.
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You already failed so you may as well take that break now. Just quit
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well the 180 isn't my bankroll jyms i thought i said that?
dont be so evil, this is a win-win for the ftr community, either I develop the discipline here - and become a ftr success or don't play again for six months - in which case the boards won't have my hollow words scattered accross their surfaces!
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09-29-2008, 09:52 PM
Post subject: Re: Self Discipline and Me
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If I end up donking my bankroll before the end of the operation, I'm taking a forced 6 month break from poker
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I'm betting 100$ against that happening. Anyone wants to book that?
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Slevin, you realize that it isn't all about being rolled for a specific buyin right? You have to have the ability to beat that level also. And at this time you do not have the ability to beat $13 SNGs yet (And probably not the ability to beat $1 SNGs yet. I'm sorry, but it's the truth). Therefore, I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you, but you will be taking a 6 month break really soon if you continue with this plan.
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I beg to differ on the skill front but time will tell. If my results prove you right I will of course humbly accept that you knew better than me, I don't think that will be happening though.
If I play a game outside of the criteria above then rest assured I will be the first to admit I have no chance of future success in poker.
And although I find it incredibally hard to remain disciplined in a game, I am a man of my word - so rest assured, I'll be keeping my abstinence promise if I fail! Cheers
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I beg to differ on the skill front but time will tell. If my results prove you right I will of course humbly accept that you knew better than me, I don't think that will be happening though.
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Have your results not already proved that I'm right here? I do believe they have. SNGs with a buyin of $10 play pretty mechanical if I remember correctly. In late game SNGs there is generally a clearly +ev move to make, and the good regs will make those moves, and win in the long run. Can you identify those spots? I know you can't. If you could then you would be a winner. But your not. If you must do this "your way", however much turmoil it will cause you, then I suggest you maybe decide on $5.50 SNGs on stars, as it is a bit softer than the $11 SNGs (and I'm guessing the $13s as well).
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09-29-2008, 10:13 PM
Post subject: Re: Self Discipline and Me
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I'm betting 100$ against that happening. Anyone wants to book that?
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Even if you offered 10:1 you wouldn't get takers.
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I'll take that bet from any one regular at even money, upto 100$. Just to clarify by donk I don't mean lose my bankroll I mean be a degenerate and lose - so in other words the bet would be that I would not BI to a game that I didn't have 30 bi's for from the bankroll in my stars account, except for the first phase in which I'm allowed to buy in to 13$ + table/tournament rake.
The bet would stand until I reach 5k of profit, i'm quite happy to put my money where my mouth is on this one. I haven't been here that long but I think Ragnar will attest to me being genuine where my word is concerned (obvious recent poker degeneracy aside). So the bet's there if anyone really wants it
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Slevin, you were just too busy making bets (ldo) and forgot to comment on how you feel you have the ability to beat $13 SNGs, when your results state otherwise.
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I'm not seeking attention. I'm starting an operation. Someone offerered a bet, I said I'd accept it. It's a simple as that.I'm not replying to any negative posts in this thread in future, the reason being I am not going to allow anyone to derail my operation thread like it was last time I created one. Cheers. I'm posting to track my own progress for me, and so I can benefit from people like Kmind, Daven, Dozer, Chardrian, Bjaust,Courtibie, wilburforce, erpel, triptanes,fat-b,deanglow and a500bgorilla that actually offer meaningful advice and do not have the ulterior purpose of constantly putting other people down in an attempt to make themselves feel better.
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Slevin, you were just too busy making bets (ldo) and forgot to comment on how you feel you have the ability to beat $13 SNGs, when your results state otherwise.
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PokerStars Tournament #110686493, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $6.00/$0.60
6 players
Total Prize Pool: $36.00
Tournament started - 2008/09/27 - 09:27:40 (ET)
Dear LkySlev1n,
You finished the tournament in 2nd place.
A $12.60 award has been credited to your Real Money account
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Buy-In: $6.00/$0.60
6 players
Total Prize Pool: $36.00
Tournament started - 2008/09/27 - 10:09:57 (ET)
Dear LkySlev1n,
You finished the tournament in 1st place.
A $23.40 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
PokerStars Tournament #110695942, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $6.00/$0.60
6 players
Total Prize Pool: $36.00
Tournament started - 2008/09/27 - 10:42:02 (ET)
Dear LkySlev1n,
You finished the tournament in 2nd place.
A $12.60 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
PokerStars Tournament #110700776, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $6.00/$0.60
6 players
Total Prize Pool: $36.00
Tournament started - 2008/09/27 - 11:17:26 (ET)
Dear LkySlev1n,
You finished the tournament in 1st place.
A $23.40 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
PokerStars Tournament #110700942, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $6.00/$0.60
6 players
Total Prize Pool: $36.00
Tournament started - 2008/09/27 - 11:17:04 (ET)
Dear LkySlev1n,
You finished the tournament in 2nd place.
A $12.60 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
PokerStars Tournament #110710483, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $6.00/$0.60
6 players
Total Prize Pool: $36.00
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Dear LkySlev1n,
You finished the tournament in 1st place.
A $23.40 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
PokerStars Tournament #110717416, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $6.00/$0.60
6 players
Total Prize Pool: $36.00
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Dear LkySlev1n,
You finished the tournament in 2nd place.
A $12.60 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
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Buy-In: $23.00/$2.00
6 players
Total Prize Pool: $138.00
Tournament started - 2008/09/27 - 16:03:08 (ET)
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You finished the tournament in 1st place.
A $89.70 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
[p]PokerStars Tournament #110758966, No Limit Hold'em[/b]
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You finished the tournament in 1st place.
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You finished the tournament in 1st place.
A $46.80 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
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You finished the tournament in 1st place.
A $46.80 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
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6 players
Total Prize Pool: $138.00
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Dear LkySlev1n,
You finished the tournament in 1st place.
A $89.70 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
PokerStars Tournament #110806685, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $35.00/$3.00
6 players
Total Prize Pool: $210.00
Tournament started - 2008/09/27 - 21:47:05 (ET)
Dear LkySlev1n,
You finished the tournament in 2nd place.
A $73.50 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
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I'm not replying to any good advice or questions that might make me think in this thread in future.
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Fixed your post.
Slev, I'm not trying to bag on you here (at least not yet). I'm simply taking FACTS, and adding them together.
Fact 1: You are a losing poker player. I'm not saying you will always be, or that it is because you are retarded or anything or that nature. I'm just stating a fact, and it is that you have lost money to this date playing poker.
Fact 2: You do not have the ability to beat $13 SNGs at this time. I'm not saying you never will, but at this time you DO NOT. You haven't sustained a profit for any significant period at lower SNGs; therefore, why in the world would you believe you could do this at higher buyin SNG?
Fact 3: You have shitty self-discipline. Yes, I have no life, and looked at your other blog (non-ftr blog). There are excerpts from 9/24 talking about "Still staying self-disciplined!", etc. Well either saturday or friday I saw you playing on stars. I guess you were "taking your shot" because you played a $25ish MTT, some $38ish SNGs, and a $78ish SNG, among other things. That is nowhere near self-discipline. And please don't talk about how you won a little money before losing it all, cuz that's called positive variance, and it happens to even the worst of players.
Fact 4: You state you want to do this right, yet you haven't even started and you have already managed to abandon BR management. Do you not see how you have already FAILED at having enough willpower to do what you have set out to do? You should be able to see this.. Because it's very apparent everyone else on this site sees it.
Fact 5: You will go busto, and be taking your break very soon if you stick with this plan. There are players who frequent the SNG forums, posting hand histories, tournies, etc, and a few have a rough time at $10+ SNGs.
Just letting you know now, because chances are I won't be seeing ya for 6 or so months.
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Said it already. Positive variance, and any ole' donk gets it. Need I say more?
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wow you're a really nice piece of work aren't you.
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Just couldn't believe you left me with such an easy opening. And I was even trying to refrain from bringing the sharkscope graphaments into this. But honestly, help me figure little question out.
If a Breakeven player makes no money, and a winning player makes money, then a player who loses money is considered what?
I believe your intelligent enough to get the answer to that question correct. And yes at this time you are a proven loser at poker. Listen, and learn, and maybe that won't be the case. Neglect to do those two things, and guess what?? Same story, different day.
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I have already said in my first post that I know why I am a losing player, it is because I lack self discipline. You questioned my playing abilities from a strategy point of view, and I obliged by showing you a ream of sngs I cashed in over the period of one day, they were not hand picked, that was the last day I played poker. The shark stats are a sample over the past 3 months. Back then my strategy was excessivley wanting. Now BR aside it is not, although far from perfect, it is strong enough to give me the edge over the average players at these the 13$ stakes. That is my belief, like I said time will tell I guess.
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wow you're a really nice piece of work aren't you.
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You're down $200 over your last 25ish hands.
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Yeah that's what happens when you lack self discipline and enter 80$ sng's with a 200$ BR I'm afraid.
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Yeah that's what happens when you lack self discipline and enter 80$ sng's with a 200$ BR I'm afraid.
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I don't doubt that BR management issues, and tilt played a part in those losses noted on the Sharkscope graphs. But your crazy if you believe you have the "strategy" to beat those games now.
No Limit Holdem Tournament
$35+$3
6 players
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Stacks:
UTG bubby33 (1400)
UTG+1 BlackTieAHi (1310)
CO Stainley88 (1510)
BTN WpgJ (1560)
SB dlkbj1 (1650)
BB LkySlev1n (1570)
Blinds: 10/20
Pre-flop: (30, 6 players)
1 fold, BlackTieAHi calls 20, 1 fold, WpgJ raises to 80, 1 fold, LkySlev1n calls 60, BlackTieAHi folds
Flop: (190, 2 players)
LkySlev1n checks, WpgJ bets 100, LkySlev1n raises to 220, WpgJ goes all-in 1480, LkySlev1n calls 1260
Turn: (3150, 2 players)
River: (3150, 2 players)
Final Pot: 3150
LkySlev1n shows:
WpgJ shows:
WpgJ wins 3150 ( won +1590 )
LkySlev1n lost -1560
BlackTieAHi lost -20
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG dR_tactics ($2.65)
UTG+1 botb2 ($12.35)
CO LkySlev1n ($18.65)
BTN Andy Kay 26 ($5.95)
SB MMA HerRo1 ($10.55)
BB prodc1982 ($9.75)
Pre-flop: ($0.15, 6 players)
2 folds, LkySlev1n calls $0.10, Andy Kay 26 raises to $0.30, MMA HerRo1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, LkySlev1n calls $0.20
Flop: ($1, 3 players)
MMA HerRo1 checks, LkySlev1n bets $2, Andy Kay 26 raises to $4, MMA HerRo1 folds, LkySlev1n goes all-in $18.35, Andy Kay 26 goes all-in $1.65
Turn: ($25, 2 players)
River: ($25, 2 players)
Final Pot: $12.30
Andy Kay 26 shows:
LkySlev1n shows:
Andy Kay 26 wins $11.70 ( won +$5.75 )
LkySlev1n wins $12.70 ( lost -$5.95 )
MMA HerRo1 lost -$0.30
Still like being "unpredictable" I see. You must first realize you have alot to learn, before you ever start to actually learn.
[edit] - And don't say you knew you were ahead on that first hand. You shouldn't have seen the flop, and even then you shouldn't have stacked off. Both go against sound SNG strategy.
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I dont' care you're not going to change my mind stacks, you are one of two people on ftr that I do not value at all what they say, so I really don't know why you continue to post in my threads, and hound/rail all my ps games.
I'm confident I can own 13$ sng's. I'm seeing this operation through to it's end with or without your support, but thanks for posting.
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That's fine. Do what you wish. Just can I get in on some of these SNGs, and cash games you intend to be playing??
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Sure I want to focus on the operation for now, but i'll be happy to play you on a cash table soon, with whatever buy in my bankroll allows for, the next time i'm playing on a cash table I'll let you know (it will be within 2 weeks).
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Shit... Forgot this one... It's classic.
No Limit Holdem Tournament
$6.00+$0.50
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG LkySlev1n (1220)
UTG+1 maloyd (1030)
CO KWORTERZ (1430)
BTN john2012 (1480)
SB trancos221 (2060)
BB SmallGiant7 (1780)
Blinds: 10/20
Pre-flop: (30, 6 players)
LkySlev1n says "I dont talk when I'm playing mate some other time.", LkySlev1n calls 20, 2 folds, john2012 calls 20, 1 fold, SmallGiant7 raises to 80, LkySlev1n calls 60, john2012 calls 60
Flop: (250, 3 players)
SmallGiant7 checks, LkySlev1n bets 160, john2012 folds, SmallGiant7 calls 160
Turn: (570, 2 players)
SmallGiant7 checks, LkySlev1n goes all-in 980, SmallGiant7 calls 980
River: (2530, 2 players)
Final Pot: 2530
SmallGiant7 shows:
LkySlev1n shows:
SmallGiant7 wins 2530 ( won +1310 )
LkySlev1n lost -1220
john2012 lost -80
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Can you please stop posting nonsense in my operation thread? - that is a genuine request, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
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I dont' care you're not going to change my mind stacks, you are one of two people on ftr that I do not value at all what they say, so I really don't know why you continue to post in my threads, and hound/rail all my ps games.
I'm confident I can own 13$ sng's. I'm seeing this operation through to it's end with or without your support, but thanks for posting.
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You don't have to listen to me telling you that you suck. Or even Muzz (obviously the other individual). You can just look at your other operation threads, hand histories you have posted, every individual you have come into contact with throughout your life (harsh i know), and they will tell you the same thing.
Oh and LOL @ the second bold part. In all seriousness, quit poker, and either become a writer (cuz you have the imagination.. Example: I will win 100k in two years), or a comedian. You will excel at either of those easily. Poker....not so much.
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I have an English and American Lit. degree and have considered becoming an author previously. Who knows I may one day if I don't make it at poker. For now my attention is squarely on my poker.
I don't know why I'm bothering but I will try to point out the futility of your posts. I've already said I don't value what you say so if you're trying to wind me up or put me off (which is the only motiviation I can think one would have to constantly stalk me and my operations like you do - posting negative comment after negative comment) then you are wasting your time. The reason being that for one to be hurt or offended by a comment that someone makes, they have to ascribe value to the judgement of the individual making the negative comment. I ascribe no value to you and therefore none to your comments.
If you are genuinely trying to be constructive but just have very poor communication skills then I might suggest you think a little more about both the content and presentation of your posts.
If you are posting in an attempt to massage your ego then I'd suggest you direct your energies at improving your life instead of wasting them writing futile posts.
Anyway that really is the last interaction you will have from me Stacks, I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but enough is enough. I'm not wasting any more of my time on you. Post if you want or don't I do not mind. But please bear in mind that any negative posts or condescending remarks will just be ignored, so it really will be a waste of your time. Cheers.
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My best suggestion on the self-discipline front would be to stop reloading and set aside a small amount as your bankroll without adding anymore to it. Ideally it would be about 30 BIs to whatever level SNGs you've decided to play. This creates accountability, which helps. It also creates an urgency not to spew randomly since you can't just reload if you blow all of your money. In contrast, if you assume your bankroll is however much you can put into it, then you've already torn through a bankroll of over $1000.
My best suggestion on the skill front would be to stop making elaborate bluffs, and try to articulate in this thread what skills you bring to the table that would allow you to be +EV in $13 SNGs.
In any case, good luck.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Thanks for the advice spoon, I can see your point.
Taking on board what you've said I'm going to change tact and enter the 6$ sngs until I have $750 and then move up to the $25 sng's with 30 BI's.
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GL.
and what Spoon said.
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Thanks for the advice spoon, I can see your point.
Taking on board what you've said I'm going to change tact and enter the 6$ sngs until I have $750 and then move up to the $25 sng's with 30 BI's.
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wow.
ummm i genuinely wish you good luck. Please don't move up, the lower games are easiest to beat I promise you.
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I don't doubt that you have an English degree, as you seem to do fairly well with articulating your ideas/beliefs. However, your writing isn't your problem. It's your reading/listening skills that need to be worked on.
You don't have to assign any value to my posts, and I honestly don't expect you to, as I haven't approached you in the most wonderful of manners. However, at the current time I assign no faith in you as an individual who can set a goal and achieve that goal. You have proven this multiple times, while the advice I have given you has yet to be proven incorrect by any source other than yourself.
To be completely honest, I don't really give a shit whether you fail or not. At one time I was on the bandwagon trying to get you on the right track to winning money. However, your ignorance, and inability to listen and learn from your mistakes, has derailed that course of action. If you fail, it will be no ones fault but your own, as many individuals have tried countless times to help you and you have yet to take any advice to heart and realize your faults. If you succeed, then that's also fine with me. If you think that I will be impressed and that you will have "shown me up", then you are far from accurate. And if you do turn around this currently disastrous dream that is your poker "career", then you will have deserved it because you have put up with more than a lot of individuals have. And based on your current skill set, and the skill set you need to become a winning player, you will have obviously put in a sufficient amount of work if you ever become a winning player.
I have noted numerous times that I have no need to massage my ego, or believe that I am any better than I am. This is one of the major differences between us. You believe you are better than you are, and because of this you fail to listen to others who are have proven they are better than you. And because of this you have had horrible results and are a losing player. I, on the other hand, realize I still have a shitload of work to put in before I can consider myself good. I work hard, and listen well. It's because of this I am in the green, and nothing else.
You obviously don't have to interact with me ever again. That's fine with me. My bankroll will be a little lighter, but I will get over it. But I will continue to follow this thread, posting when I see fit even if it busts your balls until either you get on the right track or take your 6 month break. You truly have my messages confused if you believe I am only doing what I am doing because I want you to feel bad. That isn't the cause. It's because your main problem is failing to listen, and believing you are better than you are. By posting your graph, and hands played, I hope it breaks you down to a humble state, so then you can rebuild and become a winner.
Take it for what you will.
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gl op.
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My best suggestion on the self-discipline front would be to stop reloading and set aside a small amount as your bankroll without adding anymore to it. Ideally it would be about 30 BIs to whatever level SNGs you've decided to play. This creates accountability, which helps. It also creates an urgency not to spew randomly since you can't just reload if you blow all of your money. In contrast, if you assume your bankroll is however much you can put into it, then you've already torn through a bankroll of over $1000.
My best suggestion on the skill front would be to stop making elaborate bluffs, and try to articulate in this thread what skills you bring to the table that would allow you to be +EV in $13 SNGs.
In any case, good luck.
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this is good advice. Follow it. And read stacks' last post as what it is - genuine and not out to hate anyone.
Best of luck - I thought you were going to be playing cash, but i guess you changed your mind
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Thanks guys yeah I was but I have changed some strategy recently and seem to be doing a bit better in the SNGs I guess I'll find out today if that was just variance or not
Well day one session one is about to start so I'll post back later tonight with the results. For now I think I'll four table and move up to more later if I can sustain a decent ROI.
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Welcome back Slev Missed You! 25 posts from you to read this morning with coffee Woohoo.
When you become famous, the best poker player the world has known, I hope you'll write a book and autograph it for me. I hope this is the time you don't mess up, I know you'll make it past this obstacle, I have total faith. I just hope this time is the time.
Keep your eye on the prize, you're better than everyone, you just have to somehow get past this little tiny self-disipline thing then everyone will have to admit they were wrong... Go Go Slevin!
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Can you please stop posting nonsense in my operation thread? - that is a genuine request, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
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Posting hands you played excruciatingly badly is hardly posting nonsense. The sad thing is, it is you that should be posting those hands - which you were advised to do and which you said you would do but, alas, did not do, yet another broken commitment on your part. Once again, you are entirely focused on results and not on the process of learning how to achieve those results, which means the results you desire will likely continue to elude you.
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Can you please stop posting nonsense in my operation thread? - that is a genuine request, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
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Posting hands you played excruciatingly badly is hardly posting nonsense. The sad thing is, it is you that should be posting those hands - which you were advised to do and which you said you would do but, alas, did not do, yet another broken commitment on your part. Once again, you are entirely focused on results and not on the process of learning how to achieve those results, which means the results you desire will likely continue to elude you.
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dude.... do you have any idea how hard it is to learn... it is... hard
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I didn't think its Bold to bang some chick with my bro. but i guess so... thats +EV in my book.
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Good luck slevin!
Listen to spoon & co. I don't mean just read their words and agree with them...I mean internalize their messages.
Remember to always keep your ego in check. Pretty much every donk in the world thinks they're good at this game. The more and more I learn about it, the more I realize that I'm not half as good as I think.
Also, don't play after drinking. The sauce is the antithesis to discipline.
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Not been a great start to the operation im down half my bankroll have ebbed and flowed but at least i've remained disiciplined and not entered anything about 6$, all been sngs apart from two mtts for some variety, and the ftr game later today.
This 5k could take some time. Going to go down to 3$ now as I'm too underolled for the 6$ with the 87 odd $ that's left of my bankroll.
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This 5k could take some time.
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This is the first intelligent thing you've said about poker.
Congrats on taking a step
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Yeah back to the drawing board I think! Operation over but I didn't donk my roll - I played within the limits I set just didn't win much. 8 tabling was a bit of a bad idea with hindsight the bankroll dissapeared kind of fast, I followed what I thought was pretty sound stratgegy but it must have been a bit less sound than I thought. Grinding out a bankroll isn't for me at the moment.
Well for the next month or two i'm going to be a recreational player, just deposit some money and play in a couple of tournaments. The pro idea will need to take a back seat for a bit it just seems to be an endless consumer of money at the moment. Cheers for the comments they have helped I'll be looking over them over the coming months.
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Yeah back to the drawing board I think! Operation over but I didn't donk my roll - I played within the limits I set just didn't win much. 8 tabling was a bit of a bad idea with hindsight the bankroll dissapeared kind of fast, I followed what I thought was pretty sound stratgegy but it must have been a bit less sound than I thought. Grinding out a bankroll isn't for me at the moment.
Well for the next month or two i'm going to be a recreational player, just deposit some money and play in a couple of tournaments. The pro idea will need to take a back seat for a bit it just seems to be an endless consumer of money at the moment. Cheers for the comments they have helped I'll be looking over them over the coming months.
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That's certainly one possibility.
Another would be to take some of that recreational income and invest it in a tool like SNGWizard or whatever the current popular program is to teach you sound SNG push/fold strategy. The effect is that you will be making your money work for you, and it wouldn't take long to see a result since from my understanding the learning curve for beating SNGs isn't very tough.
In any event, that's my best suggestion. Good luck.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Well for the next month or two i'm going to be a recreational player
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, I followed what I thought was pretty sound stratgegy but it must have been a bit less sound than I thought.
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ok. Obviously your strategy is flawed. The hands posted above suggest that this is the case. Poker is about discipline. Discipline is about bankroll management and folding.
IF you want to get better:
Look at the trimmed tournaments that have been posted in the sng forum. Imagine what you would do in each hand. Chances are you wouldn't be folding enough....
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Did you watch my video on low stakes STTs in the videos section? Strategy for these things doesnt need to be much:
Dont bluff until you're in P/F mode.
Play good P/F poker when you're down to 10bbs.
Looking at the hands other people posted, the best thing you could do for your game is to remove bluffing from it entirely until you're in P/F mode.
I'd also highly recommend you dont play any more than 2 tables at a time until you're a winning player for a period of a month.
Spoons suggestion of investing in SnGWiz is also a good one. Thats what it is, an investment that you expect to return positive results. SnGs are about Push/Fold (P/F) poker. Under $10 (and probably above), you could probably show positive ROI just by folding everything under KK until you've blinded down to P/F mode (not a suggestion, just an example of how key understanding push/fold is to SnGs).
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