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KillsAids
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10-05-2008, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LuckySlevin
If I end up donking my bankroll before the end of the operation, I'm taking a forced 6 month break from poker
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I'm betting 100$ against that happening. Anyone wants to book that? |
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I'll take that bet from any one regular at even money, upto 100$
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Seems you have busted before the end of the operation AND are not taking 6 months of break. That means I get 100$ off of you no?
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10-05-2008, 08:10 PM
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4-of-a-Kind
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If I end up donking my bankroll before the end of the operation, I'm taking a forced 6 month break from poker
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I'm betting 100$ against that happening. Anyone wants to book that? |
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I'll take that bet from any one regular at even money, upto 100$
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Seems you have busted before the end of the operation AND are not taking 6 months of break. That means I get 100$ off of you no? |
I remember this.. And he said he was a man of his word. You run so good mailman.. $100 bucks richer.
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KillsAids
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10-05-2008, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
I remember this.. And he said he was a man of his word. You run so good mailman.. $100 bucks richer.
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I actually thought he'd take like a month of break then bail out. but he took none. so yay for me ;]
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spoonitnow
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I will not allow myself to get bogged down in the mundane 'grind' that I read so many people engadged in however at this early juncture in my poker career.
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It offended me on a very personal level that you would say this, and this probably made me madder than anything that I've ever read regarding poker in my lifetime.
First you made a complete jackass out of yourself and I didn't join in to make fun of you. Against the recommendations of many of my peers, I offered my best bankroll management advice to you. You shit on that advice, and again still I offered my best advice on how you could quickly become +EV in poker and actually make money, even though I was told time and time again that I was wasting my time. You neglect to realize that by giving this advice at all I'm making the games harder not only for myself, but for my many friends on this site, especially since they have your screen name and would be absolutely dying to sit with you. You blow hundreds of dollars in games you have absolutely no chance of beating after I make every reasonable effort to help you become profitable, but this isn't enough for you.
More than once I put your interest, a complete stranger, ahead of my own, so that maybe you could get a piece of the profits too and that could make your life better. To repay my kindness, now you blatantly disrespect me in front of the entire community. You have asserted that you are better than me because you are above the grind, and the grind is where I (along with everyone else here) make my money in poker.
I've got news for you. If you don't give a fuck about the grind then the grind isn't going to give a fuck about you.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Muzzard
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Originally Posted by LuckySlevin
My skill set isn't as low as you would like to think. I do not understand why I am having trouble building a role at the 6$ and below sng's but I can be fairly sure it isn't because of my skill set.
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lol, ur skill set isn't even good enough to beat a $1 SNG, period. It's not a difficult proposition, your a losing player at all levels because you have no decent foundation to your game. I don't know why this is such a hard thing for you to see - maybe because your head is so far up your own arse.
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cowboyardee
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My skill set isn't as low as you would like to think. I do not understand why I am having trouble building a role at the 6$ and below sng's but I can be fairly sure it isn't because of my skill set. From reading here daily for the last 3 months I am sure I am well above the skill set needed to beat these tables.
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More well-meant advice that you will likely not take:
While reading at this site (or maybe, like, books) does consist of studying and can be beneficial to your game, posting here does not.
Of course there are exceptions -- posting HHs for review (keep that up), or asking questions about theory you don't quite understand can be beneficial, provided that the responses are well-thought out (which thankfully they typically are here.)
But posting your own theories as a beginning poker player is not beneficial. Fielding answers to very basic questions is not beneficial to your game, though it may be beneficial to other readers.
What's even less helpful is stumbling around in your own threads like a wounded animal and actively defending your misplayed hands, general skill level, and wildly unconventional bankroll management. Because
A) You are not studying while you are doing this. You are posting. The time you think you've spent studying has probably mostly been wasted.
B) When you defend your logic, you are actively reinforcing poor play and poor bankroll management in your mind. What you're doing is worse than ignoring good advice. Answer honestly in your head: when other posters put up hands that you supposedly played badly, did you think to yourself "ha, ha, I guess you got me there. I'll make sure never to do that again." Or did were your thoughts more along the lines of "what a vindictive #!?*. He took those hands out of context! All the great players make big plays like that sometimes. Etc, etc."
You are taking good advice and turning it into a means to cement the bad ideas that are already killing your game and your bank account. This is the worst case scenario.
Ask yourself -- how much of your time here has been spent reading and seriously considering the concepts you've read? Certainly not the entire 3 months you've been here.
(BTW-- 3 months is not a long time studying poker. AT ALL. I've been studying -- actually studying -- for about 4 years and I'm still not especially good. At 3 months, I was a joke.)
Hell, even if you spend twice as much time reading as you do posting (which I seriously doubt), you're undoing all your work by vigorously defending yourself when you do post.
And before you come back pointing at the winning regs on this site with high post counts as counterexamples, I feel confident in saying that they understand that what they are doing while posting is primarily helping others, not helping themselves (thanks, dudes.)
I'd suggest you take that break from poker. And that you take a break from posting. Seriously. Spend some time really studying the game. You can read here. You certainly should read some books. Watch videos. Pay a tutor, if that's an option. You enjoy poker now right? Think of how much more you would enjoy it if you were winning.
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LuckySlevin
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I've had it with the ego's in here. This operation is over as is the bulk of my posting I've concluded it is seriously -ev for me to continue to post so will be cutting my posting down.
Spoon for someone as seemingly open-minded as yourself I find it hard to beleive that you would take such a wacky stance. I don't see why me finding the grind mundane (which I do) should induce such a response in you. Perhaps it is because you are just getting over a downswing I don't know? As I've pointed out to balance my views more than once I know the 'grind' is where it's at and I also know that to make it long term in poker you need to follow good BR. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone for not doing so, quite the contrary I know that long term my strategy is no good. However I'm not speaking long term i'm speaking a month or two at most as I have already said countless times. Variance can hit at any time in small pockets or large pockets, as you'd agree - and I'm hoping it will with my playing outside of a decent BR strategy. Why you would take offence at this I do not know? For the record, you're in the bracket of posters I mentioned at the start of my thread that I value what they say and appreciate the time you take to post - so no harm intended.
As to the 100$ bet killsaids, if you scroll up you may notice you never actually accepted my bet?
Anyway ladies and gentleman I wish you all the very best in your poker quests. As I've also said before I've improved a little from the *every so often* well meant and well thought out advice that's been offered to me through this site and for that I'm grateful.
Considering you guys pride yourselves in being accepting and helpful towards new poker players I really think you should conduct a little self analysis. I'd say it's about 70/30 in favour of helpful and well meant advice to ego puffing or just ill-thought out comments that have very little value to a someone trying to improve their game.
Anyway as I say I won't be posting anywhere near as much as I have been in the past - but would like to take this opportunity to thank anyone that has been kind enough to offer their advice over the past 3 or so months. For me at least it's unfortunate but for the time being there are greater ev things I can be doing with my time that arguing with people here - about why we are all entitled to do what we best see fit to improve our poker career. Good luck, and thanks again.
Any moderator that feels this op thread has spiralled please feel free to lock it at your will - at any point in the future, and rest assured - I won't be creating another one 
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LuckySlevin
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My skill set isn't as low as you would like to think. I do not understand why I am having trouble building a role at the 6$ and below sng's but I can be fairly sure it isn't because of my skill set.
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lol, ur skill set isn't even good enough to beat a $1 SNG, period. It's not a difficult proposition, your a losing player at all levels because you have no decent foundation to your game. I don't know why this is such a hard thing for you to see - maybe because your head is so far up your own arse. |
You really are the biggest ego sufferer I've met here, you need to work to plug your obvious failings and stop trying to do so at others expense. You also need to find better ways to express yourself as your constant natural inclination totwards vulgar language does nothing but express your immature, undeveloped mindset. I ask that other people here look out for him in future as he has a tendancy to needlessly attack new posters (i've noticed it on more than one occasion) - and while he may not be able to help it, for where he is currently at in his life, it is no doubt -ev for the new poster. Luckily I am englightened enough to see his comments as the indicatives about himself that they are, but not everyone will be.
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kmind
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Good luck, Gary
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Stacks
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4-of-a-Kind
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We have all tried to help you.. You are a lost cause. You haven't the ability to get past the very first step in poker success (bankroll management ldo), and for that you will fail, as you have done in the past. You say that now you are free from the grind, and the restrictions placed upon you by sound BRM. And that because of this you feel you will be able to play a more sound game, and "amass 36k worth of poker wealth"...
However, you forget how for the past few months you have done exactly that.. You've ignored BRM. You've not grinded. You have been an absolute failure as a poker player, and will continue to be, unless.....Nope, nevermind. You will continue to be a failure at poker. The most solid thing you can do for your poker "career" is to stop right now, but your too stupid to do that. That's fine with me.
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In fact I expect to be playing in 2k buy in tournaments within the next four weeks.
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I read this and laugh my ass off knowing some 2k buyin pro is going to read this and cream his pants because he realizes that one day in the near future he is gonna hit the jackpot. I thought you were delusional, but you have forever cemented that belief into my mind with this statement. You sir, will never be a winner at poker. Never!!
We have all tried to you, but you have failed to learn. So please proceed to get the fuck out of this forum!!! Also, we all knew you wouldn't take the break. And we also all knew you wouldn't pay KillsAids the money that you owe him. You are not only a horrible gambler, but your dishonest, and as far as I'm concerned a piece of shit (oh noes... He had to use vulgarity!!). It's simple, we don't want you around here. There are plenty of players that will listen, and then succeed where you have failed. Kick rocks bitch!.
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LuckySlevin
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God you really are a twat do you know that? You are not FTR.
FTR is the community of posters. You are no better than anyone else (in fact .. no I wont go there).
And if by 'we' you mean the hardcore/veterans you are no where near experienced, good enough, or intelligent enough to put yourself in the same bracket as spoon, kmind, daven,dozer, chardrian, warpe, jyms, bankitdrew, taipen et al. That have been here for a while, are good at what they do, and actually offer advice from the heart in an attempt to help peoples games. Some people actually care about helping others here if you hadn't realised that? I've been meaning to point that out to you for some time now. You are in the same bracket as muzzard in fact. A 'wannabee veteran' that has completely missed the point of why these people are so well esteemed. Regardless of how many hours you spend in the IRC chat room, I'm afraid that is the truth of the matter. I'm not engadging in any flame wars that you so enjoy either, I simply wanted to reply to set the record straight once and for all. You can reply if you like I wouldn't bother though - chances are I won't be reading it, and certainly won't be replying. So go find someone else to have a flame war with - you may check out the teen chat on msn chat - I'd guess that it would probababally be more suited to you, as no doubt - you will no post some trite defending your indefensible position.
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by LuckySlevin
God you really are a twat do you know that? You are not FTR.
FTR is the community of posters. You are no better than anyone else (in fact .. no I wont go there).
And if by 'we' you mean the hardcore/veterans you are no where near experienced, good enough, or intelligent enough to put yourself in the same bracket as spoon, kmind, daven,dozer, chardrian, warpe, jyms, bankitdrew, et al. So I don't know why you bother. I've been meaning to point that out to you for some time now. You are in the same bracket as muzzard in fact. A 'wannabee veteran' that has completely missed the point of why these people are so well esteemed. Regardless of how many hours you spend in the IRC chat room, I'm afraid that is the truth of the matter.
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Lol. You are truly the most delusional individual I have ever met. Nowhere have I ever claimed to be a seasoned veteran.. I am very much a new player, and very much a beginner. I speak on only what I feel I know rather well, because frankly, unlike you, I don't like to stick my head up my ass, and I don't care too much for having to eat my own words. This can be proven the very few hands I have commented on. I don't play well enough to tell other individuals how to play a specific hand that I am unsure of. So thanks for pointing out what I already knew? I guess..
And as far "I'm no better than anyone else".. lol.. You really leave yourself open quite a bit don't you?? I'm OBVIOUSLY better than you. By a shitload. You really are the saddest type of degen. Not only do you realize you are losing large sums of money, and make outrageous goals that you will fix the problem, you honestly think you just run really bad. That poker is all luck, and you just haven't hit any good luck yet. It's sad, but that's fine. Only your life to ruin, which you will probably do.
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cowboyardee
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Stop ignoring the wealth of advice in this thread just to focus on what you see as flaming.
If you ever have that "aha! moment" either in your poker career or regular life, and by some chance someone is filming you at the time (ohplease ohplease ohplease), i would appreciate it if you put that video up on youtube. Because that revelation would be damn near biblical.
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LuckySlevin
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I'm not ignoring anything. I have taken it all on board cowbardyee if you had actually bothered to read what I have said. I KNOW that BR management is sensible, I chose not to follow it, that is my choice. I don't see why you can't grasp the fact that someone can have a different view to you.
I can't beleive i've been sucked into this inane twaddle once again. I WILL NOT BE POSTING ANYMORE. Eat your hearts out with any future derisory comments you wish to post, I will not be answering them.
Oh and thanks for the kind words Casey - much appreciated.
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by LuckySlevin
I'm not ignoring anything. I have taken it all on board cowbardyee if you had actually bothered to read what I have said. I KNOW that BR management is sensible, I chose not to follow it, that is my choice. I don't see why you can't grasp the fact that someone can have a different view to you.
I can't beleive i've been sucked into this inane twaddle once again. I WILL NOT BE POSTING ANYMORE. Eat your hearts out with any future derisory comments you wish to post, I will not be answering them.
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About damn time.. Peace!
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LuckySlevin
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Originally Posted by LuckySlevin
God you really are a twat do you know that? You are not FTR.
FTR is the community of posters. You are no better than anyone else (in fact .. no I wont go there).
And if by 'we' you mean the hardcore/veterans you are no where near experienced, good enough, or intelligent enough to put yourself in the same bracket as spoon, kmind, daven,dozer, chardrian, warpe, jyms, bankitdrew, et al. So I don't know why you bother. I've been meaning to point that out to you for some time now. You are in the same bracket as muzzard in fact. A 'wannabee veteran' that has completely missed the point of why these people are so well esteemed. Regardless of how many hours you spend in the IRC chat room, I'm afraid that is the truth of the matter.
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Lol. You are truly the most delusional individual I have ever met. Nowhere have I ever claimed to be a seasoned veteran.. I am very much a new player, and very much a beginner. I speak on only what I feel I know rather well, because frankly, unlike you, I don't like to stick my head up my ass, and I don't care too much for having to eat my own words. This can be proven the very few hands I have commented on. I don't play well enough to tell other individuals how to play a specific hand that I am unsure of. So thanks for pointing out what I already knew? I guess..
And as far "I'm no better than anyone else".. lol.. You really leave yourself open quite a bit don't you?? I'm OBVIOUSLY better than you. By a shitload. You really are the saddest type of degen. Not only do you realize you are losing large sums of money, and make outrageous goals that you will fix the problem, you honestly think you just run really bad. That poker is all luck, and you just haven't hit any good luck yet. It's sad, but that's fine. Only your life to ruin, which you will probably do. |
Now we get to the heart of the issue, this is the problem - do you not understand it is not about perceived betterness are you really that shallow that you need to find validation in a perceived betterness than a 3-month old member of the sites poker playing abilities?
OK You've made my point fantastically. I can't beleive I've been sucked into this inane twaddle once again. I SHALL NOT be posting any more in this thread. Eat your heart out with whichever replies you care to write, I shan't be reading them. I really do hope you sort your life out though mate.
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I'm not ignoring anything. I have taken it all on board cowbardyee if you had actually bothered to read what I have said. I KNOW that BR management is sensible, I chose not to follow it, that is my choice. I don't see why you can't grasp the fact that someone can have a different view to you.
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I think your biggest downfall is that you don't understand that not only is your particular view "different", it is also incorrect.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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KillsAids
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As to the 100$ bet killsaids, if you scroll up you may notice you never actually accepted my bet?
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I thought I offered the bet to any takers?
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LuckySlevin
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I've had to post despite saying I wouldn't as this is concerneing a bet so needs to be clarified. Yes you did, and I said I would take that bet 'from any one regular' after you posted your offer, but no one replied to take my bet.
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If I end up donking my bankroll before the end of the operation, I'm taking a forced 6 month break from poker as it will have proved to me that I'm not emotionally developed enough to succeed with my current mind/circumstance set.
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Do you not see the problem with this statement? If you end up "donking your bankroll" through bad discipline then how the hell will you have the discipline to not play for 6 whole months?
The issue is not with your poker skill, admittedly terrible at the moment, but with the way you are going about developing it. You seem like a smart person and your lack of skill has nothing to do with your intelligence, but perhaps with your overall demeanor and attitude.
Bankroll management IS necessary to become a good player, not just because you could go broke. You (and this applies to everyone) must learn solid play at the lower limits because it gets harder and harder as you move up(esp in a post UIGEA world). Look at the professionals you so admire - The Matusow's and Gordon's of the poker world are a joke compared to the Ivey's and Antonious's. Because the latter started out at the lower limits and worked their way up.
Do not put off good bankroll management. If you do so now, you will NEVER adhere to it. It's the same as the guy who promises to pay you back but you know won't. It's the lazy roommate who says he will take out the trash but isn't going to. DO NOT put this off, because once you do start this foolishness, it is almost impossible to do it right.
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jyms
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I suggest that first off Luckyslevin stop making blogs and OP threads. FTR is a place where we discuss ideas and thoughts on the best ways to beat the games. FTR has been around since 2004 and there are just some rules that must be adhered to to beat poker. They are based in mathematics, and you refuse to use those proven guidelines.
As for the rest. Everything that needed to be said has been said. There can't be any more piling on, Slevin refuses to accept the help and does not want it. So this is how it will go. If you want to post advice to anything he asks, advise. If you can't stick to the topic then do not post. We can't have FTR berating and posting hundreds of posts in one thread that is going nowhere when so many people would love the help and effort put forth on their game. Let's find someone else to help.
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