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| kiwiMark |
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Daily review thingamy. Check out the last post on the previous page, made seconds before this one, if you've just clicked on page 2 of my op to see the most recent post like a sensible person would. $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem 6 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG dielloni ($29.15) UTG+1 Caronen ($36.90) CO blindbezahlt ($31.70) BTN ded3000 ($36.90) SB Hero ($25) BB meebo641 ($25) Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is SB   dielloni raises to $2.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, dielloni calls $3.75 Flop:    ($12.25, 2 players)Hero bets $7.50, dielloni calls $7.50 Turn:  ($27.25, 2 players)Hero checks, dielloni goes all-in $15.65, Hero folds Final Pot: $42.90 dielloni wins $41.60 (net +$12.45) Hero lost $13.50 Villain was 83/36 over 36 hands, his raise sizes were always massive, ranging between 6 and 10 big blinds. Preflop: When he raises his range is fairly wide, but I think to call my 3bet it's narrower, something like: {22+, AQ+} Although really I feel fairly lost on assigning ranges like this to giant fish, I don't know if they care that I 3bet or not. He'd folded to one out of two 3bets, at the time of this hand. Flop: On the flop I fire out a continuation bet. I think probably I shouldn't've, as worse isn't calling, and I doubt I'm even folding out many of his pocket pairs. Let's say his calling range is: {33, 55, 66+, AQdd+} (3+3+45+2 = 53 combos) And his folding range is: {22, 44, AQ+} (3+3+11+19 = 36 combos) So he's folding 36/89 = 40.5% of the time. And I need him to be folding 7.5/19.75 = 38% of the time. Soooo according to that it's a +EV cbet, but given that I'm counting his folding AQ (which I beat ldfo) in the above as a good thing, I still think it's more EV to try to check it down. Thoughts? if I check it down (assuming now he checks down AQ and AK without the flush draw and doesn't bluff) instead of winning $12.25 40.5% of the time ( $4.96 ) and losing $7.50 59.5% of the time ( -$4.46 ) so making a total profit of $0.50, I now never lose anything, 11/89=12% of the time I win $12.25 when he has AQ ($1.47) and 9% of the time I split with AK making my EV $1.47 + $0.55 = $2.03. Soooooo, I make more checking it down than I do cbet bluffing, the risk of course being that maybe he bets AK or AQ at some point and I have to fold. That was fairly long and rambly, just getting back into the practice of this, be interested in knowing what you guys think. |
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| daven |
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I think your ranges are wrong - he's calling a 3bet way wider than pairs/AQ+. He's calling a shove with AQ/KJ... Quote:
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you know i can't read your ghost sig bro, i've been internalising a really complicated situation in my head
allin, reload, repeat please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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Cool. Mistakes = learning. Do you usually go smaller for cbets in 3bet pots? I've been 3betting from the blinds a bit and I'm never really sure how big to make my cbet bluffs. But yeah, ranges against such wide fish are something I feel really unsure on, and one of the main reasons for posting that hand. I forget against some players I really can just shovel massively for value. |
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| kiwiMark |
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Dropping the arrogance, dropping the "I'm a winning player, I just need to wait it out, not try to improve", dropping the "I already know about X, I don't need to read/watch anything about it". First stop, digest every preflop video and article I can get from different sources instead of sticking with my "I've got a fairly good idea of what to open from where" approach from when I first learned about preflop opening ranges and discarding everything since as a repeat of what I already know. There're lots of little scraps of knowledge out there and they're not doing me any good when I dismiss them out of hand because they don't fit in with my "already winning game". Open minded learning here I come. Should be good. |
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| daven |
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i really like the discussion on AQ from utg at micros, mostly my last post. http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...?highlight=utg |
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you know i can't read your ghost sig bro, i've been internalising a really complicated situation in my head
allin, reload, repeat please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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Cool daven, cheers for the reply, I'll think on it  Today's review: $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem 6 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG Etrain99 ($28.80) UTG+1 DeNmiX ($14.35) CO outperformer ($25.40) BTN Hero ($27.85) SB Dabbar ($25) BB <Bogolal> ($31.80) Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BTN  1 fold, DeNmiX raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, DeNmiX calls $2 Flop:    ($6.35, 2 players)DeNmiX checks, Hero bets $4.75, DeNmiX calls $4.75 Turn:  ($15.85, 2 players)DeNmiX goes all-in $6.60, $6.6 to Hero ($20.1)? Villain is 36/23 over 44 hands Preflop: I think his range for calling my 3bet preflop is { 22+, AQ+, 32s+ } against which I've got like 52% equity. Flop: On the flop, I think his range for calling my cbet is: {AQ+, 77+, 32cc-JTcc, QJs-KQs } against which I've got 62% equity. Turn: Here I think his range for open shoving is: {77, AA, QQ, AQ, 32cc-JTcc} against which I have 32% equity, so I'm getting 2.125 : 1 and calling $6.60 to win way more than 2.125*6.6 so it's an easy call. Now my reason for posting this hand is mostly because he showed up at the end with 3c2c here. If I didn't know that (say I'd folded the turn) then I would never have included that in his range. So when doing analysis like this do you guys think it's better to include bizzare shit like that in his range, which feels like it's being results-oriented, or to ignore it and build a "sensible" range, which feels even more retarded because I'm basing the decisions of my play against a range I know to be inaccurate. Curious to hear your thoughts. |
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| dranger7070 |
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| Spoon made a comment in a thread i made a few weeks back in the BC about just because the guy shows up with a hand ONE TIME, doesn't mean he will always have that kind of hand in his range, which makes a shit ton of sense. | ||||
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Inspired by Bbickes's well post, I've started playing a couple of HU SNGs per day, in addition to my 6m. Won my first two $5 ones yesterday, and today dranger told me he was playing the turbos, so I tried them out and played three $6 turbos, sadly taking down only one of them. They're pretty fun, and from all accounts it should be beneficial for my game. So with any luck I'll be doing some range work on those in here in the coming days, too. For today, however, I'm reviewing yesterday's 6max, where this hand took place: $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem 5 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG Dennisra ($19.70) CO john-ecom ($41.80) BTN Wahoo2006 ($34.35) SB Hero ($25.90) BB Lucci1966 ($20.35) Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 5 players) Hero is SB   3 folds, Hero raises to $1, Lucci1966 calls $0.75 Flop:   ($2, 2 players)Hero bets $1.50, Lucci1966 calls $1.50 Turn:  ($5, 2 players)Hero bets $3.25, Lucci1966 raises to $9.50, $6.25 to Hero ($20.15)? I only have 9 hands on villain, putting him at 67/33. So almost an unknown. Preflop: I'm fairly arbitarily putting his calling range preflop at: { 22+, A9o+, A8s+, KT+, QT+, JT+, 54o+, 43s+, 64s+ } Flop: On the flop I think his continuing range is: {22+, 54-87, 64s-97s, 98ss+, T8ss+, KTss+, A8ss+} against which I have 60% equity, so I'm good to value bet here. Turn: On the turn I don't think he folds any of the range that beats me, so I think this was probably a bad turn bet, as my equity has dropped hugely. When he raises here I'm putting him on {33+, 76-87, 75s, 87s} against which I have 27% equity, or 2.7 : 1 and the pots offering me 2.84:1 so given that it's juuuuust a call, and I don't know if I can count on him actually raising 88-JJ on this board or not, so I think it's fine to fold. |
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Just stopping by Kiwi... In the 32cc hand, I agree with being unable to put 32cc in his three-bet calling range preflop. I'm sure you gave the "WTF?" face when you saw these two cards as you did not have 32cc in his range. This is where you double-click his name and take a note. You can adjust against this villain by widening your three-bet value range and shrinking your three-bet bluff range (almost to nothing since it seems he calls three-bets OOP with a shitload of hands). Anywho, keep up the grinding! Perhaps a sweat tomorrow at the times we discussed? |
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 That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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Cool, cheers for popping in Yeah, sweat tomorrow would be great.
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I feel like I can probably beat 25NL at the moment, but in keeping with the "dropping the arrogance" thing, I'm also dropping down to 5NL and grinding my way back up. Minimum of 10k hands at each stake and a decent winrate over that sample are my only requirements for moving back up to 10NL and then 25NL. I'm also prolly gonna be withdrawing a couple of hundred from my roll, but that's for living costs, I always knew I was gonna be doing that, 'tis nothing knew. Just thought I should keep this updated. EDIT: This also means I've now withdrawn more money than I've deposited, so my roll is entirely poker-earnings. That feels pretty cool.
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$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem 6 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG Boolean ($5) UTG+1 wfred ($10.81) CO KingIv3rson ($5) BTN Hero ($5) SB jack nichols ($9.88) BB ARG-ROIX ($6.35) Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is BTN   3 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, ARG-ROIX calls $0.10 Flop:    ($0.32, 2 players)ARG-ROIX checks, Hero bets $0.25, ARG-ROIX raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.45 Turn:  ($1.72, 2 players)ARG-ROIX bets $1, Hero raises to $2.70, ARG-ROIX calls $1.70 River:  ($7.12, 2 players)ARG-ROIX goes all-in $2.80, $1.45 to Hero ($1.45)? Villain is 50/24 over 76 hands. Never c/r'd before. Preflop: Villain is calling with a really wide range, something like: {22+, A2+, K9o+, K7s+, Q9o+, Q7s+, J9o+, J7s+, 54+ 75s+} Flop: As well as being loose, villain is also aggressive as shit, so I put his c/r range here as something like: {33, 44, 77, 88+, A7, J7s, Q7s, K7s, 65, 76, 75s} against which I have 32% equity, so the pot odds (a bit less than 3:1) make it a call. Turn: Then turn's obviously great for me, I think he's calling my raise here with {33, 44, 77, 99+, J7s-A7s, A7o}, which I'm miles ahead of. River: On the river I think he's shoving {33, 44, 77, 99, TT+, 65} which I'm ahead of so it's an easy call. |
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maybe this is a hand with reverse implied odds (which i take to mean that it might be the best right now, but by the river it probably wont be) just a thought from a micro donk |
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<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.
JR: lets do it JUAN JR: mono e mono JR: man to man JR: HU4ROLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Dealer: juan0984 folds
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^^ Yeah that sounds legit, the thread of future bets that I won't be able to call probably should make this a fold. At the time it was just how spastic he'd been that made me willing to call. |
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$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem 5 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG npnstuff ($5.21) CO Hero ($5.77) BTN AlbertOS799 ($11.53) SB ChrisFromNH ($5.25) BB krapule33 ($5.67) Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 5 players) Hero is CO  1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, krapule33 calls $0.15 Flop:   ($0.42, 2 players)krapule33 checks, Hero bets $0.30, krapule33 calls $0.30 Turn: ($1.02, 2 players)krapule33 checks, Hero bets $0.70, krapule33 raises to $2.20, $1.5 to Hero ($4.57)? Villain is 29/20, had never before checkraised. Preflop: I think his calling range here is something like: {22+, AJo+, ATs+, KJ+, QJ, 54s+} Flop: Whoop whoop, hit my set, so bet out, thinking his calling range is something like: {99, TT, JJ+, ATs, KQ, KJ, QJ, 87s, T9s, JTs } which I'm way ahead of. Turn: On the turn I expect his calling range to be basically the same as what it was on the flop, since with the exception of 87s all his draws either hit or picked up a pair. Instead, however, he check/raises and I think his range for that is more like: {99, TT, QQ, KK+, KJ, QJ} which I have 50% equity against. So I suppose I should call. Even if he's only doing this with better sets, straights and overpairs I still have like 40% equity so it seems like it was definitely a nitty fold here on my part. For some reason at the time I convinced myself KJ was the only holding that made sense. |
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So other than dropping down to get rid of arrogance and 'cause I've withdrawn, I have a couple of things that I'm working on while on my way back up. I play a really nitty game, and don't have the confidence/stomach for trying to play a looser more +EV game at 25NL. I'm trying to change that, so I figured it's better to do it where it's cheap. Had a sweat session with carroters and yaawn at 25NL the other day (and boog near the end, but skype was being a bitch) during which it became abundantly clear that I don't isolate enough- I kept being told things like "the big blind's really loose, you should raise the K2s" where I'd always thought the opposite, that I should be stealing when the big blind's tight. But apparently K2s is part of my value range, as they're gonna be folding to either the raise or cbets enough and it flops well enough the rest of the time to make it worthwhile. So my focuses for 5NL are: open a wider range of hands preflop, isolate much wider, and actively put people on ranges every hand I'm in. I get a feel for ranges by doing my hand reviews, but for some reason I've always struggled with consciously putting people on ranges during a hand, and so I'm not leaving 5NL until I'm doing that. And it's going well so far. At first I was putting people on ranges after I'd already clicked the button as an afterthought, but slowly I'm remembering to do it every time before mashing buttons, and it's ldfo a big help. So by the end of 5NL I should be saying a range in my head for villains in every hand I'm involved in that sees a flop. Then at 10NL my goals will be to keep doing range stuff until it becomes automatic, rather than a matter of remembering/focussing on it, and working on 3betting, something else that we went over in my sweat. I quite often sit there being like "Nope, can't 3bet bluff this villain 'cause he won't fold" but never make the leap to "Okay then Mark, 3bet him for value with a wider range." So more 3betting, both for value and as bluffs depending on villains is something that I'll be working on over my 10k hands at 10NL. Hopefully that should give me a solid foundation to launch back into 25NL with confidence and focus, rather than lazy arrogance. The distinction between confidence and arrogance in this case for me being that I'll be confident that so long as I apply what I've been practising and continue studying I'll be able to beat 25NL, rather than the "I'm good enough to just wing it" arrogance that was my approach before. And of course as well as the ares of focus during my sessions I'm still doing an hour's study each day, at the moment working my way through Robb's excellent list of links on the front page of his blog. I highly, highly recommend that to anybody reading who hasn't worked through it, and would like to thank Robb for putting together and sharing such an excellent resource. So, after all that, today's hand review. Comments would be appreciated, I feel a bit lost. $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem 5 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG chp321 ($1.82) CO almaaaa ($10.81) BTN edgar141 ($8.73) SB " Legend N1" ($3.40) BB Hero ($5.37) Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 5 players) Hero is BB  1 fold, almaaaa calls $0.05, edgar141 calls $0.05, " Legend N1" calls $0.03, Hero raises to $0.35, almaaaa folds, edgar141 calls $0.30, " Legend N1" folds Flop:  ($0.80, 2 players)Hero bets $0.65, edgar141 calls $0.65 Turn:  ($2.10, 2 players)Hero bets $1.20, edgar141 calls $1.20 River:  ($4.50, 2 players)Hero checks, edgar141 bets $2.55, $2.55 to Hero ($3.17)? Villain is 31/17 over 35 hands. Preflop: Villain's limp/calling range preflop is probably something like: {22+, broadways, J9s-K9s, 54s+, A2s+} Flop: On the flop villain's calling range is: {suited clubs, QT, J9s, T9s, AJ-TJ, 33, 88, JJ, QQ+} against which I have heaps of equity. Turn: On the turn I expect his calling range to pretty much be exactly the same- he's gonna keep chasing his flush/straight despite the paired board, and obviously he's not folding any jacks now. I've got 49% equity, which means by tampering his range ever so slightly it can be "okay" or "not okay" to value bet and I really don't know if it's better to check here or not. I don't want to give his draws a free card, and I'm gonna have difficulty folding if I check and he bets, so for that reason I think it's probably better to bet here and just accept that he has a J sometimes. River: Once the river bricks I think when I bet I'm only getting called by jacks, so I check. He bets out here and I need to be good about 26% of the time, and I don't think I give him credit for making that big of a bluff with a missed flush, so I think it's a fold here. It's tough though. If he calls the flop with 99-TT, he's probably gonna call the turn with it to, and may well value bet the river thinking it's unlikely I have a jack. And if that's the case, then I've got the equity I need to make the call. |
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| He's certainly value betting 99-TT, as well as 8x a decent portion of the time, and as always villains are bluffing a non 0% of the time. I'd bet flop for value obv, b/f turn for 1.50, and then c/c blank rivers, like this one. It's not a fist pump snap call, but I don't feel that gross calling it off either. Sure he's going to have a J here a fair portion of the time, but at the same time 99-TT, 78, 89, A8, K8, are all well within his range. | ||||
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Cool, thanks dranger. No hand for review today- might get a bit lazy in here until Thursday, as I have my summer school exam then. |
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$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem 5 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG gomobu2912 ($16.51) CO Hero ($5) BTN poilpool ($20.51) SB pokerbalage ($10) BB mrchhre ($8.32) Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 5 players) Hero is CO  1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, poilpool calls $0.20, 2 folds Flop:  ($0.47, 2 players)Hero bets $0.30, poilpool calls $0.30 Turn:  ($1.07, 2 players)Hero bets $0.60, poilpool goes all-in $20.01, $3.9 to Hero ($3.9)? Villain was 29/4 over 25 hands. Had seen him shove once before for value, but not with the nuts. Preflop: Villain's calling range preflop is something like: {22+, A8s+, A9o+, K8s+, K8o+, Q8s+, QTo+, J8s+, JTo+, 76o+, 54s+, 64s+, 85s+} Flop: Villain's calling range here is: {77, QQ, KK, AA, suited diamonds, A8s+, A9o+, KQ, Q8s+, QTo+} which I obviously crush. Turn: On the turn I think villain still calls Ax hands as well as flushes, against which I have 80% equity, so I bet again. Villain then shoves giving me pot odds of 1.6 : 1, meaning I need 38% equity to call here. If villain is shoving only aces and flushes, then I have 30% equity. But if I add in just the three combos of 77 here as well, then I have 42% equity, so I think this is a call. |
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Bet the turn harder imo to set up an closer to ps river shovel. You're still way ahead most of the time. Snapple his shove, as you say you easily have the equity with a set here. re-draws ftw. |
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sounds like the sweat was golden. Working your way through robb's list, through value vs bluff etc = all good. inning here more than the 23-ish% you need. I see crazy flush draw KcJc/Tc9c type of hands here just as often as A9-AJ and the few you're scared of. cool, i hadn't finished my post before writing my response = i feel solid on fish ranges QhQs - pre-flop good, and i'd range him at about atc. Turn is the worst card possible so you can fold to the raise please. I hate check-anything on this board though, so bet-fold is good. I even like the sizing. nh. 8d8h. turn you can shove, obviously you're calling on the river. His range is again closer to ATC, flop you could probably jam as 3b, but i prefer the call by a long margin. Nish is right though, if you think you're behind then it becomes more interesting = calling flop raises then folding turns can become a big leak. Anyway, on the river he has two pairs here a lot, as well as the occasional underset and straight. 2h2s. I like pre-flop and flop, obviously 3b shove on the turn and suck out if he has 8J, he has QT etc here a bunch. You can also call the turn i guess if you're a nit, but that's gross cos then you're folding the river. This hand illustrates an interesting point relating to opening low pocket pairs, you hit your set and c-bet and villain folds just like they would vs your KJs on K94rb cos villain is a set-miner just like we are. KhKs. pre-flop good. Flop good. Turn is a pretty horrible card. River and there is no way he is imaginative enough to be value-betting 99 as often as it might seem. Basically you have to soul-read here, folding is probably never awful but this hand is fine for a tiny bet-fold too cos he's never raising as a bluff, even if you bet $1.30. QsQd. Bet flop harder cos his calling range isn't changing vs 3/4 pot or vs pot. Turn he has AK/AQ/AA/77/flushes/A9s so this is a call but you shouldn't enjoy calling it! |
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you know i can't read your ghost sig bro, i've been internalising a really complicated situation in my head
allin, reload, repeat please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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| kiwiMark |
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Awesome, thanks for the replies And daven, I haven't ignored your suggestion about thinking about/writing up a post on c-bets in 3bet pots, but am holding off till 10NL, since it fits better with my focuses for then
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| Dude your avatar is incredibly hot. If you don't know her irl please end your life or remedy that situation. | ||||
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Okay, exam went well, so I'm on holiday for a week before first semester starts, which means I've got a bit more time for poker again. Just passed the halfway mark at 5NL with 5200 hands, and I'm reasonably happy with my progress, although even if I was already at 10k hands I wouldn't be moving up, still got a bit of work to do. Hopefully over the next 5k hands I'll get there enough to make me happy. Today's review is as follows: $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem 6 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG Hero ($5) UTG+1 imonaboatt ($5.85) CO Bidzsizz ($1.43) BTN miikael1985 ($5.95) SB cptcarrott ($2.19) BB pitu556 ($1.81) Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is UTG Hero raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Bidzsizz calls $0.20, miikael1985 calls $0.20, 2 folds Flop:   ($0.67, 3 players)Hero bets $0.50, Bidzsizz folds, miikael1985 calls $0.50 Turn:  ($1.67, 2 players)Hero ($4.3)? Preflop: Villain is 75/49 over 50 hands, so his preflop calling range here is pretty massive: {any two suited, any ace, any king, any pair, any connector, and probably any two offsuit cards both higher than a 7} Flop: Hit my king on the flop, so cbet out, expecting to be called by: {any suited hearts, any King, any pocket pair except 22 and 44, 53s, 64s, 42s, A5}, against which I have 67% equity. Turn: Here on the turn the flush hits. If I say he's calling me with Kings, flushes, straight draws, sets, and pocket pairs 88-AA, then I have enough equity here. I wouldn't have enough equity without the queen of hearts though. Also if I take out 88-TT, then I no longer have enough equity to value bet here, so I think I should probably just check this turn. |
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you know i can't read your ghost sig bro, i've been internalising a really complicated situation in my head
allin, reload, repeat please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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tyty, I'm trying to get gogogogogoing Today's hand: $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem 6 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG Hero ($6.04) UTG+1 gzuy1960 ($2.06) CO BigShades ($19.30) BTN pazurzasty ($2.99) SB freezerman14 ($2.18) BB lvtxn2 ($6.90) Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is UTG  Hero raises to $0.20, gzuy1960 calls $0.20, 3 folds, lvtxn2 calls $0.15 Flop:  ($0.62, 3 players)lvtxn2 bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, gzuy1960 folds Turn: ($1.12, 2 players)lvtxn2 bets $0.65, Hero raises to $2.30, lvtxn2 goes all-in $6.45, $3.29 to Hero ($3.29)? Villain is 56/37 over 40ish hands. Preflop: His calling range from the big blind is wide as a wide thing: {A2+, K5+, K7o+, Q7s+, Q8o+, J8s+, J9o+, 22+, 32s+, 54o+, 75s+} Flop: On the flop he leads with queens and maybe flush draws, so: {AQ, KQ, Q7s+, Q8o+, suited clubs, 22, 77, QQ, KK+}. Turn: On the turn he continues betting, I think with the same range as the flop. I've picked up an open-ender to go with my flush draw, so I go for a raise expecting to fold out his draws and his weaker queens. Say his calling range is {22, 77, QQ, KK+, 87cc, Q7s, QT+, KQ, AQ} then that means he's folding 39% of his range to my raise. I'm risking 2.3 to win 1.72, so I need him to fold 2.3/4.02 = 57% of his range for this to work as a pure bluff. However I have 31% equity against his continuing range, so ... 0.39 * 1.72 = 0.67 0.61 * 0.31 * 3.42 = 0.65 0.61 * 0.69 * -2.3 = -0.97 Meaning even if I get no extra bets on the end, the semibluff has a profit of 0.35. Whoop whoop. He shoves over, rather than folding or calling. It doesn't really matter if I say he's doing this with his one pair hands, or only his sets, I still have about 30% equity as I need to hit my flush or my straight. That's 2.33 : 1 needed, and with the pot at $9 and my call at $3.29 I'm getting 2.7 : 1, so it's a call. |
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Yesterday's daily hand review that didn't get posted 'cause I'm lazy... $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem 6 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG Volcom156 ($5.78) UTG+1 innocentis77 ($9.44) CO Hero ($5.12) BTN SzitZa ($5.31) SB prusss ($10.42) BB Jersey721 ($6.60) Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is CO 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, Jersey721 calls $0.15 Flop:   ($0.42, 2 players)Jersey721 checks, Hero bets $0.30, Jersey721 calls $0.30 Turn:  ($1.02, 2 players)Jersey721 bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.50, Jersey721 goes all-in $6.10, $3.12 to Hero ($3.12)? Villain is 71/6 over like 20 hands. Preflop: His range is obviously wide as shit: {any two suited, 22+, A2+, K2+, Q5o+, J6o+, T7o+, 54o+, 75o+} Flop: His range for check/calling this flop is {88, 99, TT, JJ, QQ+, KQ, Jx, Tx, 9x 8x, flushes, Qdx, Adx} against which I've got 65% equity. Turn: I think his range for donk/shoving here is: {flushes, nut flush draws, 8x, 88, TT, JJ, QQ+, 99, KQ, AJ} against which I have 35% equity, so I'm fine to call here, but I possibly should've just flatted the donk lead. |
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Had boog sweat me yesterday at 5NL which was really good, pointed out a couple of things that I'll add to my list of stuff to work on at 10NL- most notably better note-taking, and looking for good spots to iso from out of the blinds. Today's hand review: $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem 6 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG BooG690 ($18.24) UTG+1 4iro ($5.52) CO PoseidonAA ($5) BTN YRMN1B ($11.53) SB Hero ($12.56) BB Old2009 ($5) Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is SB  3 folds, YRMN1B raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, YRMN1B calls $0.30 Flop: ($0.85, 2 players)Hero bets $0.65, YRMN1B calls $0.65 Turn:  ($2.15, 2 players)Hero bets $1.85, YRMN1B calls $1.85 River: ($5.85, 2 players)Hero bets $2.75, YRMN1B calls $2.75 Villain had a 48% ATS. Preflop: I 3bet bluff, needing villain to fold 0.4/(0.57) = 70% of the time for it to be profitable. He's opening 48% of hands and I think continuing with something like {22+, AJs+, AQ, KQs} which is 8.9% of hands, meaning he folds 80% of the time. Flop: However he calls preflop, but fortunately I flop gin, so I lead out for a cbet, expecting him to call with: {88, TT, JJ-QQ, KK, AA, AK, KQs} against which I've got 62% equity. Turn: Turn is a bet, and I lead out again. I expect at this point he'll probably drop QQ, but might keep JJ since he turned a gutshot, so hsi range is {88, TT, JJ, KK, AA, AK, KQs} against which I've got 67% equity. River: on the river the gutshot gets there, so I think he'll call a further value bet with {88, TT, KK, AA, JJ, AK} and probably KQs, but either way I have >60% equity making this a clear value bet. |
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Alrighty, so with this morning's session I've now done my 10,000 hands at 5NL and am feeling ready to move up and do the 10k at 10NL. I'm happy with how it went, I'm putting people on ranges much more often, and will continue to work on that at 10NL as well. A few stats for comparison, as far as my other goals were concerned: VPIP/PFR for the 28k hands at 5NL before this regrind: 13/10 VPIP/PFR for the xk hands at 25NL before this regrind: 17/15 VPIP/PFR for the 10k hands at 5NL during this regrind: 22/19 I've also dropped by cbet from 85% to a bit above 60%, just by looking for spots where it's better for me to check back in position rather than firing a cbet that only folds out worse, so I feel that's much better. Goals for 10NL include: Continuing to work on putting people on ranges before every decision. Getting my head around 3betting more, both for value and for bluffs. Work on taking more notes. Same deal as before, if I don't feel happy with my progress after the two weeks/10k hands, then I shall simply stay at 10NL until I do. Thus far I'm really happy with everything, it feels great to be making tangible progress again, I feel like my game is much better, and I'm enjoying poker a lot more than I had been for a while. It's so easy to forget that what I like most about poker is the learning and overcoming challenges, and just slip into grind grind grind mode, which seems easier but quickly becomes way more stress than fun. Feeling good! |
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nice work on the 10k hands, enjoy the next 10k! re sweating - be very careful sweating when both players are at the same table (8sTs hand history) cos if you're in communication over skype/irc/whatever while you're at the table.... hands 9cTc - pre-flop is marginal but shanaia, turn is a call - raising is pretty bad vs a maniac cos he's 3b shoving JJ here JsKd - pre-flop good, flop fine, and i think your ranges are accurate. Turn I just call vs his donk. 8sTs - i like every street. |
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you know i can't read your ghost sig bro, i've been internalising a really complicated situation in my head
allin, reload, repeat please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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Oooh, shit, didn't even notice in the session review that the hand I picked had boog in it. To be clear, boog sweated me for my first session, and for my second session of the day many hours later he came to try and bully me on my tables- we weren't sweating and playing together
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I think I'm gonna start posting at least one hand history a week from here in the BC. Any objections of positive reinforcements just sing out, I don't mind if you guys comment here or in the BC thread, I just figure this gets out to a wider audience, so that my analysis can be critiqued or if it's okay can help show other BCers how to analyse. Today's shall be the first: Villain is 20/19 over a fair sample, 40% ATS and 75% F3B, seems like a fairly run-of-the-mill reg. $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem 4 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: CO dragonz1974 ($4.90) BTN Nu:Tone21 ($24.10) SB Hero ($18.45) BB eskalerareal ($14.85) Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 4 players) Hero is SB  1 fold, Nu:Tone21 raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, 1 fold, Nu:Tone21 calls $0.90 Flop: ($2.50, 2 players)Hero bets $2.10, Nu:Tone21 calls $2.10 Turn: ($6.70, 2 players)Hero checks, Nu:Tone21 checks River:  ($6.70, 2 players)Hero checks, Nu:Tone21 bets $4.10, $4.1 to Hero ($15.15)? Preflop: I expect he's calling my 3bet with a slightly wider range and more implied-oddsy hands because we're deep and he's got position so something like: {22+, AQ+, AJs, KJs+, QJs} Flop: The flop gives me a king, and I expect his calling range to a cbet here is {55, 88, KK, AA, AK, KJs+ and club draws}. Against this range I've only got like 34% equity so I can't make a value bet- but what am I 3betting for preflop if not for a Kxx flop? If we say he's also calling with TT-QQ because I cbet a large frequency or whatever, then I get 60% equity, but it seems weird. In any event, in the hand I did bet, and got called. Turn: When the Qc peels off, I'm pretty much check/folding this turn- all of his flushdraws got there, and KQ now beats me. However it checks through. River: On the river the only hand combination that I think calls me which I beat is KJs, so I check. He bets out 2/3 pot with a range I expect to me something like: {55, 88, KK, AA, AK, KQ, AJcc+, QJcc} which has me absolutely crushed so this seems like an easy fold. Thoughts on my analysis? I suspect the problem lies with the preflop calling range I'm assigning him, so any thoughts on that would be great. |
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post the hands in bc with any analysis/feedback provided in this thread included also. That means people posting here gain the benefit of having critique on their analyses river check-call as played. i agree that there is a problem with the pre-flop range assigned he calls retardo suited connectors/Axs/etc pre cos of omg implied odds deep, and a bunch of these hands are calling the flop, even gutshots, for the same reason. Bet-fold turn, river check-call is fine, so is bet-fold. Check-fold is bad after letting the turn check through, like, you gotta be good here sometimes. Sure, his bet-sizing screams value, but he's value betting AK/KJ here as well as bluffing missed draws and lol-merging AQ... |
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you know i can't read your ghost sig bro, i've been internalising a really complicated situation in my head
allin, reload, repeat please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem 6 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG WACKWACKWACK ($30.85) UTG+1 Burke676 ($14.35) CO Hero ($10) BTN vacantdream ($9.70) SB colorwarrior ($4.95) BB JusteBelmont ($14.30) Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is CO 1 fold, Burke676 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, 3 folds, Burke676 calls $0.40 Flop: ($1.15, 2 players)Burke676 checks, Hero bets $0.70, Burke676 calls $0.70 Turn: ($2.55, 2 players)Burke676 checks, Hero bets $1.80, Burke676 calls $1.80 River: ($6.15, 2 players)Burke676 bets $0.40, $0.4 to Hero ($7)? Villain is 22/2 Preflop: I think villain's limp calling range is: {22+, A2s+, ATo+, KTs+, KJo+, QTs, QJo, JT, 54s+ } Flop: Flop I fire out a cbet, it needs to be right 70/185 = 38% of the time to be profitable. Hands combos in villain's range: 63+33+31+10+21+3+9+9+21 = 200 He continues with {77, TT, JJ, QQ+, AT-AJ, A7s, KTs+, KJo+, QTs+, QJo, JT, 76s+} = 119 combos So he's folding 40% of the time making this just profitable as a cbet bluff. Turn: The turn comes an overcard to the board and gives me a gutshot, so I decide to double barrel. This being the point of analysing the hand, to see if that's terribad or okay. He has 119 combos in his range at the moment, and I need him to fold 180/435 = 41% of the time for this to be profitable. Basically it seems like this card has given a whole bunch of his range either two pair or pair+straight draw, and so I don't think I'm getting anywhere near as many folds as I thought i was- certainly not 41%. So this is a pretty rubbish bluff. |
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In other news, cleaning it with shampoo nearly instantly gets rid of vomit from my bed and pretty much gets rid of the smell as well. Thanks, Internet! |
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unless the vomit was from an unidentified first year from an unidentified bar/toga party and you didn't want to make her clean it up? but even that isn't really very cool... |
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you know i can't read your ghost sig bro, i've been internalising a really complicated situation in my head
allin, reload, repeat please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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Daven is, of course, completely right, but it was a friend's 21st with an open bar at a nice restaurant, so it was kinda easy to get carried away. As they say, it's not the drinking, it's how we're drinking- I didn't really mean I'm gonna hold off on getting drunk for a while, just hold off on getting stupidly vomit-inducingly drunk! Okay, a kinda interesting hand for review today. I liked my thinking throughout it (and more generally the fact that I am thinking throughout it), although there are a couple of spots in it that I'm not sure on. $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem 4 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: CO Hero ($13.65) BTN just4cash ($9.75) SB Scareface63 ($5) BB nothingoth ($18.35) Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 4 players) Hero is CO  Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, nothingoth raises to $1.40, Hero calls $1 Flop: ($2.85, 2 players)nothingoth bets $0.90, Hero raises to $2.40 ... Villain is 24/10, this is the only time in 30ish hands that I've seen him 3bet. Preflop: I've got position, we're 135bb deep and since this is the only time I've seen him 3bet I think his range is really strong, along the lines of {JJ+, AK, AQs} if not tighter, so I think I can call and hope to hit a J here. I dunno if this is standard practice or not. Flop: The flop comes and I don't hit a jack, so my first thought is that I'm folding to his cbet. However, he thinks for a little bit, and then fires out a bet of 90 cents into the almost $3 pot. I feel like with strong hands villain would bet faster here, and would bet much more. So it feels much more like villain has {KK, JJ}, doesn't know what to do, and is just firing out a small bet to try and end the pot right there. So I put in a small raise, with the idea being that if his range really is just those hands that are trying to pick up the pot and will fold, it doesn't matter too much how big a raise I make it, and if he sucks at betting for value or is betting to induce, then when he calls/raises I can still get away from the hand without having put too much bad money in there. I realise everyone's first instincts is probably to just fold this flop once we've called pre, but I really think the timing and bet sizing show a lot of weakness. |
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What the poop is an instant email? I play bad in 3bet bots. $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem 5 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG RunGOODplz ($28.70) CO Ivison1982 ($10.90) BTN stevedavebob ($6.25) SB Hero ($10.05) BB Warcryxx ($12.10) Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 5 players) Hero is SB 2 folds, stevedavebob raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.60, 1 fold, stevedavebob calls $1.20 Flop: ($3.30, 2 players)Hero bets $2.10, stevedavebob goes all-in $4.65, $2.55 to Hero ($6.35)? Villain is 24/24, no fold to 3bet stats. Preflop: I 3bet, needing him to fold 1.6/2.15 = 74% of his range for this to be profitable. I expect him to continue to a 3bet with a strong range like {TT+, AQ+}. This is 4.7% of starting hands, meaning his opening range on the button needs to be at least 19% for this to be a profitable 3bet bluff, and his range is clearly that wide Flop: I don't like this play, looking back. I cbet, but I expect it to fold out the parts of his range that I beat (AQ+) and keep in the parts that beat me (TT, JJ+) so it's a fairly dumb bet. However I don't know what I should do here- do I check with the intention of calling, or do I just say fair call, my 3bet bluff pre didn't work, I'm going to give up on this flop? In any event he goes all in, and I need 2.55/12.30 = 20% equity to make the call. If he's only doing this with TT+ I still have 20% equity, so this is a call. Which I guess is further reason why the cbet is bad, as it commits me to the pot. |
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