Operation Winning is a Habit

Classic FTR Posts & Links


Strategy

Renton's Theorem aka ABCD Theorem. Explains expert postflop play in a way beginners like me can understand. He followed it up with ABCD Theorem Exercises where folks post and analyze HH's, and break down the ranges. Renton comments using super-mod powers. Avoid this thread unless you want to stop sucking at poker.

ISF's Strategy Collection. Awesome strategy discussions by one of FTR's best poker writers. Read 'em all - twice.

BigSpenda's Five Biggest Leaks of a Losing NL Holdem Player Leak 1, Leak 2, Leak 3, Leak 4, and Leak 5. This is Poker 101 for noobies and intermediate players alike. Gives some theory and lots of practical advice. Tells how to think about poker.

ilikeaces 86 simple way to beat 6max. Great post and even better discussion including thoughts from some FTR icons like Gabe and ISF. Not everyone agrees, which is great, imo. OP was edited and lists several very strong points for any 6max player to consider.

Sauce123's Super Simple Guide to Beating Beating NLH 6max. Geared toward playing 6max in post-UIEGA and PT2 environment. Good stuff, but be careful with "3betting like a monkey" suggestions as those stats are available in HM and PT3. Still, the general suggestions are spot and still relevant. And the entire thread is filled with good suggestions from great players.


Advice

Beginner's Digest. I read every post in here when I got to FTR at least once. Every month since, I've gone back and read or reread it. They add new content, some of which I didn't see in the forums. And I often need refreshers on the basics.

ISF's Psychology: The Beauty of Admitting You're not Good is an awesome thread, and well written. Read OP. Rest of thread is meh.

ISF's Blog. Anything by IowaSkinsFan, aka ISF, is a must read imo. This guy gives great advice for beginners and advanced players alike.

Backwards Learning Theory of Poker. ISF makes a great point for noobies and beginners about how to learn poker and provides 2 great links to articles he wrote. Follow this one through, and keep thinking about it.

BJaust wrote a series he called "Thoughts on Beating the Micros." Each one is worth a read.
Thought 1, Thought 2, Thought 3, Thought 4, Thought 5, Thought 6, and Thought 7

Rant Complaints about Bad Opponents. Another Spoony rant. Read, laugh and learn something.

Why Poker is Simple. Spoon breaks it down, as only he can do.

Lukie's List of Exploitable Habits asks FTR regs to state one of their habits that thinking opponents could exploit. Great thread since most common leaks are addressed, and done so by FTR icons like Rondavu, pgil, DaNutsInYourEye, mcatdog, renton, jackvance, biondino, givememyleg, and pyroxene. Find leaks in our own game or exploitable tendencies to use in the Reg Wars.

ISF's 2nd leveling at 200nl is a very interesting preview of what's to come there, and how to adjust. ISF talks about how to use the fact that certain villains think to identify lots of profitable lines for bluffing and/or maximizing profits.


Non-Playing Issues

Dev's hilarious and insightful How to Become a Poker Player. Great read for noobies trying to make this whole poker gig work.

Spoon's Quick Fix American Guide to RB and Bonuses, a great template for noobies to follow to build up a roll and learn the game.

Time to Start Over, Need Advice Skim noobie post and read excellent replies, especially BR Management guidelines by Spoony in Wesrman's reply (2nd post in thread).

BR Management Rant. One of Spoon's great rants, and right on target, with good advice from guys like Lukie all the way through the thread.

Spoon's Rant: BR Management for People with Balls. Read, laugh and learn, like all of Spoon's rants. Have plenty of BI's to back your play.

Managing your non-playing poker issues. Miffed wrote an excellent article that all noobies and micro-grinders should read.

Taking Breaks and Avoiding Tilt. Dwafman's solid advice. Note to self: read once a month.

Importance of RB and Bonuses. Very comprehensive look at Rakeback and the money side of poker, how to game the system and maximize profit.

Dealing with Bad Beats. Long post but great for anyone who struggles with Bad Beat Anger Management Issues.

Jym's Thoughts on Sessions which is more like "math on sessions." He accurately computes the number of premium hands we should expect per 1k hands. He and Eupho related that to dealing with "bad" sessions, where no flops connect, all AA gets cracked, etc.


Tactics: Pre Flop

Blindstealing 101 and Raising Behind Limpers by Spoonitnow. Great stuff about playing late position hands in unraised pots. Blind Stealing 102 was added much later but fits in with the general theme.

Playing PP's Read Lukie's post, 3rd from top, and follow from there. Discusses playing small pp's in midstakes games, but the concepts are pretty well explained, especially in Fnord's, Renton's, Miff's, and Lukie's posts throughout thread. At the end, thread hits implied odds for sc's, and JefferyGB weighs in with more great content. This thread got me to dump the silly 10x set odds in favor of 15x at 10nl and 20x at 25nl.

Question regarding 3betting and 4betting by a reasonably good player with awesome insights provided by guys like Fnord and Spoonitnow. Good discussion of 3betting, where, when, why and how.

Should I Stop Raising Preflop. Bigslikk asks about preflop bets and bet sizes and gets a nice discussion of Stack-to-Pot Ratio and how effective stacks influence preflop strategy. Read whole thread - it's good.

Happy Fun Squeeze Time is yet another Spoony math classic, walking through a mathematical analysis step by step. This will definitely help you think better about big preflop pots.

Some Preflop 3betting Concerns, a math-filled strategic analysis of the TAGG-reg 3betting wars including ranges and implications based on wider/looser "light" 3bet ranges.

Muzz's awesome 3betting and FE in Full Ring theory post, with the math behind 3betting including a look at common ranges. Geared toward FR, but 6m guys can get something out of this, and every micro-FR-grinder should read this.

4bet is the new 3bet started by Genitruc and then pwn'd by Gabe and other FTR icons. Good discussions of issues every 50nl and 100nl 6m player needs to understand (and probably lots of others).


Tactics: Post-Flop

Some Soul Reading Threads: Nutsinho is master of posting HH's where he takes actions that simply blow your mind, and sometimes he explains his thinking. The Soul Read section of the post-flop tactics section was created to collect some of his classics: What have I gotten myself into?; Pwning 101: Do not try this at home; and Brag hand (53o). Good stuff.

KK with Axx flop is Gabe's classic discussion thread, oft-quoted by FTR regs the generation before me, and a very simple yet profound look at how to play KK postflop when an A hits. The OP is a SnG scenario and Hero has position. The concept applies to many cash game KK hands and can apply when Hero is oop.

Spoon's Good Example of When to Cbet. Also see A Good Example of When Not to Cbet. These are two threads that got me thinking more coherently about cbetting and started me working on my game. My work on cbets is linked below.

Restealing with the Best Hand. Classic Fnord. Succinct. Thought-provoking. Spot on.

ISF's I've found the biggest leak among .5/1 and 1/2 grinders. This is ISF's bet/fold opus, a classic development of poker thinking centered around postflop decisions that lend themselves to bet/fold plans. A must read for anyone who wants to learn to think better about post flop decisions.

Fnord's Implied Threat thread. A simple example turns into a great discussion between FTR icons like Rondavu, Lukie, and Warpe. They talk about how to play in position after a cold call against a Kinda TAggy player on an Axx flop. Fnord suggests a raise and then asks what kind of hands would make that suggestion correct. A great thinking exercise. If you want to think like these winners, that is.

Fnord's Leading into the preflop raising thread is another great flop-play thread like the one above. Same discussants as above with BankItDrew and Miffed joining in. Warning: will make you think correctly about flop decisions.

Playing a Set in Position. Spoon gives HH and quiz, and starts a great discussion about how to MAX EV with sets.

MCatDog is pretty good at math, so it's not surprising to see him offer a stab at a randomized, optimally unexploitable bluff-a-set line in his Mixing it Up: Pretending to Have a Set. Great ideas on how to exploit the regs when we set mine them.

BigSpenda's Advice for Beginners thread which starts off on how to play big hands postflop and meanders through bet-sizing for several different scenarios. Thread wanders a bit - read all posts by spenda and miffed, though.

Spoon's Betting Against a Flush Draw thread, with excellent discussion. Read BankitDrew's analysis toward bottom. Warning - short!!

Vi's Any way to cut down on your reverse odds thread, with great discussion of postflop play especially focused on big pp's.

Marginal hand out of the BB against a limper or two by DaGoat. Good conversation about how to play the Big Blind Special. Read Miffed posts half way into thread and final comments from Miffed and Goat.

Nutshino's Picking off Steals gives nice insight into when villain's line makes no sense compared to the board and game setting. Short, with input from Renton and Fnord.

Caddies' [url=http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/beginners-circle/fundamentals-value-betting-rivers-182312.html]Value Betting the River[\url] Strong op and follow-up discussion by folks who did the math and know both how to use it and how to explain it.

Just for Kicks

Newbie with a Couple of Questions. One of Spoony's first FTR posts. An LoL moment for those of us who have learned an ass ton from him in 2007 / 2008. Read Biondino's reply, several posts down for great beginner's suggestions.

Fnord's hilarious Why Poker Fucks with our Heads post starts a very entertaining discussion, which is insightful, too.

The origin of "that Gus Bronson poker guy from TV" allusion is in Fnord's Online Table Chat 101 post. Fnord chats like a donk while playing Omaha, and it's pretty funny.


Inspirational Stories of Poker Progress from FTR Guys You Know

IowaSkinsFan's Swings of Poker talks about his experience grinding up (and down) at the micros. He lost all but $2 and eventually won his way up to the nosebleeds. He's won over $100,000 lifetime (probably way more, now) and posted some awesome content on FTR. Jack Vance chimes in at the end at a time when he had less than a grand in bankroll. He's got a bit more than that now. Warning: short!!

Renton's I graduated post from 2006, when he had just reached the $10k bankroll mark. A great story from an FTR icon.

Spoony's My Great Story (1000th post) thread from January 2008. From a guy who won his way up, learned and contributed at FTR, and has supported himself with poker income.


Some of my personal posts on FTR

First, a disclaimer. My posts will be most valuable to beginners. I'm a poker enthusiast, not an expert. I have a master's degree in math (game theory, prob-stats expertise), and I work on my game. My posts aren't expert advice, but it's where a beginner can get ideas. See above FTR posts for the expert advice. I do.

Robb's 400th Post. I talk about my first year of losing poker and how I turned myself into a winning microstakes player, what I've learned, and how I used FTR to improve my game.

Problem Solving and C-bets. This post is more about how to work on your game than actual tips or advice about playing the flop. It describes in detail how to use PT, HUD reads, PokerStove and experience to work on a part of your game. I hope to update it into an article for new players soon.

Robb's First Rant: Don't be a Dumbass. An entertaining read, I hope, encouraging aggression and tight preflop play. I said a few controversial things, especially about KJo since AOK's 19-hand guide suggests limping it a lot. But the point wasn't a guide, just a way to think about opening ranges and aggressive postflop play.

Rant: Stations are *sob* so hard *sob* to play against. Title speaks for itself.

Bluffers and Stations: Attack 101. Patient aggression is perfect for both types of players. I talk about aggression and how to attack players we have solid reads on, together with two hand histories. One I played well. One I could have played better. Good critique by TJ afterwards.

Variance Tool for the Mathematically Challenged. If you hate math but want to understand variance, read the thread and download this Excel spreadsheet that allows you to enter two numbers from PokerTracker and estimate your projected "hotstreaks" and "downswings." It also gives decile ranges for sessions, letting you know how variance will play out in the short-run.

Where the $$ are at Micro NLH. Analysis of winnings at 10nl, and which groups of hands are most profitable.

Lesson 4 Noobs and The Noobie Never Do This List. Two short threads about basic "correct" plays and big mistakes I make at 10nl.

Profiling Villains (Robb's 800th Post). Suggestions for notes to take and keep handy for each villain reg we play (hands > 1k).

My HM HUD Configuration discusses the color-coding of all 10 main display stats and the 6 customized popups.

Improving FTR - Get to Work, Dammit (Robb's 1000th post) is a call for recycling classic FTR threads like all the ones above rather than reinventing the flat tire. My first sticky.

What to do when someone says you suck at poker is the turnaround point in my poker career and imo an interesting thread. After getting called out for sucking at poker, I did something about it, and as of 9-May-09 had won $4k as a direct result of what happened on FTR that week. I also posted it to show what I think people with class do when they get slammed or called out or disagreed with in the forums.

Practicing Ranges is exactly as advertised. I suggest a "chunking" memory method for grouping preflop hands and narrowing to successively more accurate range estimates at the table. Example HH's and range estimates included.


Great FREE Poker Content on the Web

I generally don't like linking away from FTR, since most great poker advice is available somewhere on FTR (see links above). But some classic sites have great articles from poker pros.

Mike Caro University. Fifty poker lectures from a guy who wrote part of Doyle's original Super System when Ngreanu was still in diapers.

Phil Gordon's personal No Limits website. The articles section gives advice from a pro who actually tells you how he thinks during hands, sessions and tourneys.

Steve Badger's Play Winning Poker . A lesser known pro, but reveals how he actually thinks about poker. Hasn't updated much since 2007.

Pokey's 2+2 "How to use PT2" Post . This is a great introduction to PokerTracker's usefulness in analyzing your game. The latest version of Holdem Manager has updated this guide for HM complete with ready-made reports to check out all the "leak-fixing" stats Pokey suggested. The articles are copyright protected, but HM has a full-feature download trial version - these articles alone are worth the download time, and they contain the results of a huge data-mining project with more than 1800 players of 6max at 100nl and below, each of which has at least 5k hands.

Holdem Manager. I was planning to purchase Poker Tracker 3 (and lots of FTR regs like it), but I'm a Holdem Manager convert. Awesome HUD, extremely versatile and customizable popups, slick and quick. Great reports and filters. All the usual graphs. Runs fast enough that I never notice it's even open.

The Stove. A great tool most of the good players I've read utilize. Ranges. Equity. Pwnage.

Fight Club

Part I in an inspirational series about poker.

Poker is a ruthless, bare-knuckle brawl. Brutal. Iron hard, ice cold. A street fight where anything goes. A UFC scrap with choke holds and kicks to the nuts. Poker can beat the crap out of you, even when you're playing well.

When I sit down at the table, I know I'm facing opponents who want to grab me by the throat and bash my head against the wall. They want to knock me on my ass and take all my chips - twice. Poker is a vicious and Darwinian battlefield. Only the strong survive.

I love this game.

I've got this 65/40/6 maniac on my right with half a stack. I 3-bet him with AK and AJs preflop. He folds. Jab. Jab. I 3-bet him with JJ and he calls. He fires on the Q-high flop. I rr him all-in. The straight right. He calls, and we see two blanks before he shows down AJ. Knockdown. He reloads. I 3-bet him with AQ and he rr's all-in. I fold. Duck his big punches. Dodge and weave. Use the footwork. I wait, sparring a bit, keeping my distance. He raises from the button. I pick up 99 and 3-bet. He calls. Good. He's setting me up for the roundhouse. We get it all in on the flop, and he gets 80 BB with TT. Knockdown for him. I'm up again, still with a 140 BB stack. I think about the hand and decide I played it all right - or at least not terrible bad. The very next hand he raises, and I 3-bet with TT. He calls. I know he's setting me up for the roundhouse again, but I get a third T on the flop. Poor bastard. He checks the K-high flop, I bet and he rr's all-in. He's got TPTK with AK. I get my chips back - doubled. He leaves the table. Knockout.

"Are you ready to RUMMMBLE?" Oh, yeah. Let's get it on.

I've been in fights. I took karate long enough to do some full contact sparring with kickass fighters. One was a former professional kickboxer. I know I can get punched in the face and still function. You have to keep thinking in a fight. Or you've lost it. You have to stay aggressive in a fight. Or you're losing it. And the scorecards aren't tallied until the final round is over. If the opponent is still standing.

Here are three lessons fighters learn early - or quit fighting.

1. Fighters never whine.

I went one round of full contact with the pro. I got my ass kicked, but whoa! It was an awesome thing, watching him fight. Quicksilver footwork, never off-balance. Powerful, accurate punches with rattlesnake quickness. Afterward, he broke it down, giving me tips, telling me my weaknesses. Sure I got beat. But I didn't whine about it. I learned from it.

Great poker fighters don't whine about bad beats or vicious downswings. They own up to their losses, admitting when someone has fought harder, better. They own up to their mistakes. They don't make excuses. They work on their game.

2. Fighters can take a punch.

Anyone can get hit hard. A fighter can get hit hard and still function. No panic. Keep the feet moving. Cover up and clear the cobwebs. Stab and move. Don't let a lost battle turn into a route. Fighters know the war ain't over.

Great poker fighters don't tilt. They absorb the punches and fire back. They stay calm. If they need to, they sit out an orbit and refocus. They stay aggressive, and shove all-in again if they have way the best of it. Their decisions are still great decisions even right after a bad beat. They wear a cup, like Spoon suggests in this rant. Your cup is called bankroll management.

3. Fighters train hard.

They work their combinations on the heavy bag. They spend hours in the gym. They spar opponents who are better than they are.

FTR and Poker Tracker are training sessions for the great poker fighter. Posting and analyzing HH's. Reading the posts from better players. Reading poker books and articles. Analyzing stats and hands from sessions. When I'm done with a session (typically about 1k hands/90 minutes), I sit quietly in a chair, thinking about the fight. Where was I too aggressive? Where was I not aggressive enough? Did I get my chips in way ahead in the big hands? Did I duck big punches? Then I head back to the computer and look at PT: stats, a couple trouble hands. Then I'm off to FTR to read some more. I find that reading FTR right after a session is good to help identify weak spots in my game. I usually post a bit, because writing helps me think more clearly.

You are becoming a great poker street fighter - starting today. It doesn't matter how many poker fights you've lost in the past. You can learn aggression. You can learn the patience needed to fold when half your stack's committed but you know you're beat. It's one punch, not the fight. Where you've been and what fights you've lost in the past is yesterday. Be a warrior, not a whiner. You're training hard. You can win. You can kick some ass.

No go sit down at the poker table, and punch someone in the mouth. And punch him again. And when he's all crossed up, wrong-footed, and punch-drunk tilty, rip his stack away from him - twice. Be stronger.

"Are you ready to RUMMMBLE?"

Let's go win some money at poker.

Robb

The author is a poker enthusiast, not a poker expert. And is probably full of crap.

I will be watching intently Robb as i am on a mission to get to 1,000 at NL10 and your advice has helped me a heap so far. just a couple of questions:

1) What bankroll did you start at to get to 1,000?
2) Did you start at NL10 or NL5?
3) Your VP$IP of 19 after 77k hands with a PFR % of 14 is one area of my game I have trouble with, mainly the PFR% and getting to around %75 of my VPI$P. Any tips ? (starting range?)

Originally Posted by Hotfrog

1) What bankroll did you start at to get to 1,000?

$100

Originally Posted by Hotfrog

2) Did you start at NL10 or NL5?

NL10. But I made a bankroll blunder. I cleared a bonus and won $100 about the time I joined FTR and learned bankroll management. Good luck, a bonus, the poker gods and a fishy site all saved my 10 BI roll. I wouldn't do it that way again - I'd start at NL2 until I had $200. Maybe more. I explain a lot more about my story up 'til now in my "Robb's 400th Post" which is now linked above.

Originally Posted by Hotfrog

3) Your VP$IP of 19 after 77k hands with a PFR % of 14 is one area of my game I have trouble with, mainly the PFR% and getting to around %75 of my VPI$P. Any tips ? (starting range?)

LoL. Now, I play more like 18/16, but those stats include the days when I played 25/12. I learned preflop aggression by doing this. I picked up a hand and decided I wanted to play it. Then I asked myself, "Is it worth a raise?" If I was scared to commit myself to a preflop raise, I folded it. You'll find position matters. I play 8/7 UTG and more like 24/20 on the button.

Stop being a BR nit take a shot damnit!

Here here Robb - listen to ISF - move it up a level - your game is more than good enough...

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Stop being a BR nit take a shot damnit!

Roger that. Three thoughts occur.

1. I have taken shots at NL25

Edit: My free picture hosting site is spamming everyone, so I pulled all the links down- suffice it to stay I had a mental block at the time, and just couldn't beat 25nl to save my life.

You can see from my stats that I played too loose and too passive pre, and got weak-tight post.

2. I set a goal once upon a time to log 25k hands at NL10 with an 8+ ptBB/100 winrate. I'm at 18k/8.08 right now, and completing the mission puts me right at $1k.

3. Regarding #1 and #2, there's more to being ready for the next level than having 20 BI. I needed to learn more about this game. I had two big downswings in early February that coincided with me putting a lot of pieces together and sorting out my game. Then, bang, nearly 20k hands of solid success. I ready now, Daddy.

I will take my shot in early March and let everyone know how it goes.

watching...as always, robb.

love the first couple posts in the blog. good work, m8.

m8, chopper, most ppl wouldn't get that - vnh

Good stuff, probably one more OP thread I´ll check out daily.

And listen to ISF dude. Move up and make more moniez

Originally Posted by Robb

m8, chopper, most ppl wouldn't get that - vnh

aaahhhh. but, thats why you and i are friends, eh? keep em coming, bra?

could i USE any more ethnic slang? i'm austrailian. or canadian. or hawaiian. wow, could be chameleon? lol.

I'm 20k hands into a goal I set for myself at NL10: racking up an 8+ ptBB/100 winrate over 25k hands. Over the last 21k hands, I'm only 7.2 ptBB/100, so I'll either have to cherry-pick some hands or get a nice heater to finish on. Here's the stats for the relevant period:

Edit: bad picture host spam deleted.

I am going to take a VERY serious shot - the last one - at NL25 starting Monday or Tuesday, when I finish my NL10 25k operation. If I don't get quite to 8 ptBB/100 - so be it. I'm pwning NL10 more than I ever thought possible in October. I've posted over $300 in winnings in 21k hands at NL10. I hope it comes out at 8+, but either way I've learned a lot.

I'm working tonight on my second "article" for this blog. I think I'm going to post all the articles on my school web page (hidden link, since the administration might not approve of what I'm doing ), so they'll be more easily linked to. The upcoming article uses Buck Cherry's "Crazy Bitch" to make it's point. Should be fun.

I will be posting a good bit in the next month as I make my move to NL25 permanent. BTW, I intend to keep playing NL10 1 - 2 sessions per week. Multitabling 10+ 6max tables at 7 ptBB/100 is good for the ol' bankroll, so I think I'll keep doing it until I have evidence I make more by playing a level higher.

hey, nice one. Keep it going! You should kill $25nl, maybe not 8ptBB/100 - but enough. Consider increase in rakeback when you calculate earn-rate at one level vs the other. Spot ya, and good luck!

Poker: The Crazy Bitch

Part II in an inspirational series about poker.

There's an old joke about the difference between a slut and a bitch. A slut will sleep with anyone. A bitch will sleep with anyone but you. For the beginner, poker can be like trying to score with some superhot chick so evil she'll sleep with your best friend - or your worst enemy - just to wind you up. Poker is cold-hearted. A love 'em and leave 'em whore. A game where it can seem like every dumbass but you is scoring with her.

Poker is ungentle, like the Buck Cherry song says:

You're a crazy bitch
But you f**k so good I'm on top of it
I dream of doing you all night
Scratches all down my back - I keep right on

I love this game.

To be good at this game, you gotta like it rough. Here are some lessons I've learned about the crazy bitch we call poker.

1. Poker will screw you over.

Poker was invented by tough-as-nails riverboat gamblers, professionals at taking people's money. NLH is the most highly refined instrument professional poker players have come up with to part the less skillful from their cash - and have them like it. The key to any money-stealing gambling game (like slots) is the high variance. The naive player has a small negative expectation but such high variance that he or she can play for hours and hours and still be ahead, despite horrific play. The high variance masks the overall losing trend. The down side, for the good players at least, is that while they have a small positive expectation, they can also be visited by the high variance and lose for hours and hours, despite heroic play.

You've got to understand this if you're going to win at poker. The pros who invented it did not want poker to be fair in the short term - they designed it to pay off the fish a lot. They did it on purpose, to lure the fish into playing for more money than they should and to keep them playing long after they should have quit. But all that combines to kick you in the balls some nights, even when you're playing well. You have to expect to get roughed up. You have to expect that whore to visit everyone at the table but you some nights. The bad beats keep the fish swimming happily, but they hit you, too. They're the precise part of the game meticulously designed to part people from their money. You gotta get used to it. Heck, you gotta like it - really like it - rough.

2. Poker is a tease - not a slut.

Poker is great at throwing wads of cash at new naive players, making them think that they're good players. Poker is also ruthless at extracting cash from players - most players - over the long run. Think about this: 90% of all poker players lose more money than they win in their lives. Even talented players who start off successfully often move up too high, and find games filled with pros and solid players they can't beat. Instead of moving down a level or two, they donk off all their cash and then some. Happens every day. Know this: poker isn't sleeping around with everyone in the world but you.

At the bottom of its dark and dangerous soul, NLH is about skill. It's a professional gambler's game, where the pros who understand the game make money by playing it well. These pros much prefer stud-style games where the majority of all players' hands are exposed. They don't like the old "draw poker" games where none of the cards are showing. With tons of information about the possible hands available, the game boils down to high quality decisions. NLH has plenty of information available for the skillful to exploit. At the end of the road, only a very few succeed. The rest are chasing a chick who will never give it up for them.

3. Winning at poker is amazing fun.

Almost as good as sex. Well, not really, but it's a thrill. And here's the beautiful thing about understanding the poker bitch: let her work for you. Let that streetwalking whore go attract all the bums and losers to your tables. How many people would be willing play basketball against Michael Jordon - for money - over and over and over? Well, no one in their right mind except maybe a half dozen superstars. But that same talent/skill differential exists in poker, and weak players are lining up to face off against the top players around. To give away their cash.

Why? Because the crazy poker bitch is showing some leg, some cleavage, promising thrills. And when you sit down with a solid bankroll behind you and enough talent and skill and chips in front of you, you profit from this game. And that little hottie who was flauntin' it all over town, bringin' in the johns hopin' to score? Yeah, she's headed home with you tonight.

And the scratches all down your back? Keep right on.

Let's go win some money at poker.

Robb

The author is a poker enthusiast, not a poker expert. And is probably full of crap.

Token post, so i get updates when u post.
I just joined Grinderschool also (just the micro for know though).

nice work, robb....as always.

Like Sarbox, I took my shot at NL25 this week. Unlike Sarbox, my road was decidedly bumpier. I coughed up 9 BI in the first 2k hands. A third were my fault - just dumbass plays, calling or shoving when I knew I was behind. But some of it was great negative variance - like having KK all-in against A6o and losing. You know you played it right and that, if there are donks like this at the higher level, you can win. But negative variance - great as it often is - gets old after a while. Here's a graph for my first 4k hands:

Edit: old web host sux.

The interesting thing to me is that I never lost my confidence. I knew (after some early miscues) that I was playing well, sticking to a TAGG profile, cbetting in reasonable spots. And I had the bankroll behind me. So I just kept on grinding. Being up 12 BI in the second 2k hands - that was a lot more fun.

One thing I did to stabilize my game was revert back to FR. I knew I could beat 6max, but the crazy-high variance there was starting to sting. I get back on track in FR action, then went back to 6max (+5 BI in last night's session).

All in all, just another day at the office, earning 5 ptBB/100 over 4k hands. LoFL.

hey robb,

not to hijack your Op, but i thought i'd provide you my first 3 days (1500 hands) of 25NL, myself...lol. yeah, variance stinks, but poor play can kick in there, too. and when lady luck doesnt step in and bail out some of the bad plays, you start thinking too much...like i am. here's a 9 BI ($15 shorting experiment) downer in 3 days!!



that last, sharp drop was 1.5 dumb hands, and 2.5 glorious suckouts. one was half dumb, but half variance...lol. (wrong play for not seeing cards, right by Sklansky's FToP). this is why we carry DEEEEEEP bankrolls, tho. this hasnt phased anything but my mental capacities.

My life to date at NL25

Edit: yeah, it was Chopper who suggested the stupid web host I now hate.

I'm playing with some confidence now, and doing all right. But several of the big downswings were variance. I mean, I do suck at poker, but not this bad!! I'll be back in a few days to post some stats, when I get more than 10k hands in the database.

For now, I think I've left my NL10 days behind me.

** fingers crossed, knocking on wood, hoping he has not upset the poker gods **

nice that you didn't get psyched out by the downswing! I just dropped hard too (see op for details), and i think i'm still not tilting - just need to emulate you and grind it all back...

and yeah, you'll be playing 25nl++ from now on. How's adding tables going?

Anyway, good luck, what's your tag on FT? I'll search you out when I play, and hit you on some tables!!!

Rubbin' is Racin'

Part III in an inspirational series about poker.

Bristol Motor Speedway is legendary for intense, bump 'n' bang, put-em-in-the-wall races. The Bristol "racin' stripe" is a round, black wheel mark on the side of your car, earned by "nudging" an opponent at 120 mph. The top 5 finishers at tracks like Charlotte often finish in a car still shiny and new. Hardly any of the top 5 Bristol cars have all the sheet metal they started with.

There's a scene in "Days of Thunder" where racer Colt Trickle (Tom Cruise) gets angry at rough track treatment. His crew chief (Robert Duvall) has this to say:

Harry: Cole, you're wondering all over the track.
Cole: Yeah, well the son of a bitch just slammed into me!
Harry: No he didn't slam into you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you. He rubbed you. And rubbin', son, is racin'.

Dents, scars, bruises and abrasions. Wrecks, cussin', swearin', and fights in the pits after the race. Rubbin' is racin' at NASCAR's short tracks. And the winner at Bristol is often the guy smart and lucky enough to have avoided all the big wrecks. Kind of like poker.

I love this game.

Here are some lessons I've learned about poker thanks to my dad's fanatical following of NASCAR.

1. Qualifying matters.

Racers and teams get a few practice laps, then they qualify. The fastest times start at the front. But at a track like Bristol, that also means excellent early track position to help keep free of the big wrecks and priority pit selection - having to pit on the backstretch is a huge handicap. These advantages are worth fighting for. And the best teams plan, tinker and adjust so they're ready to grab them.

How do you get into the poker race? I used to sit down, open up the poker software and jump into the first few games I could find a seat in. I was playing in seconds. Kinda like racin' in a car that hasn't even been set up for the track. I often pushed too hard, too early, and paid with a wrecked stack. Even if I only dented my stack, it still took me 10 mintues to "settle in" and begin playing good poker. These days, I get PT/HUD up and running, table select carefully, and get on half a dozen wait lists. Get the streaming audio rockin', grab a coke. I glance at the regs in the games and think about what track position I'd like to have on them. I get my mind right, thinking about the style of poker I'll be playing.

2. Top racers think long run.

The best drivers know that having a bad car early in a race is only a small problem. There'll be plenty of pit stops to tweak the setup, make adjustments. They don't get too worried about going a lap down if they have a good car. They know there's plenty of time to get back up front. I drive every day on HW9 between Dahlonega and Dawsonville, the road "Awesome Bill from Dawsonville" made famous with his #9 race car. He came from two laps down at Talladega to win, on his way to becoming the first driver to win the Winston Million, a prop bet earned by wining legendary races at historic tracks in one season. Great racers always seem to be there in the final laps. They've made adjustments, worked hard, and fought through the rough-housing tactics of the pack. They don't give up - ever. They get that lap back, fix the car, and go for the win.

I play premium hands only for a few orbits as I get my tables positioned and wait for my HUD to get current. Just ABC poker. I don't get too high about early wins or losses. And I don't get uptight even when someone outplays me for half a stack. I make a note and move on. I am learning to wait for poker opportunities, get my lap back, get my car adjusted exactly right for when the racin' really matters.

3. Rubbin' is racin', and racers are ruthless.

There's a cruel fact of short-track NASCAR life: the guy in the lead is vulnerable. The guy in second drives into the turn too fast and bumps the leader. The force of the "wreck" does two things. First, it knocks the leader's car loose, making him ease off the gas and slide up the track. Second, it slows down the guy in second just enough to corner at race speed. The bump opens the door for the second place car to drive on by, and often sends the would-be winner crashing into the wall cursin', spittin', fumin' and ready to fight.

Often, the best position at the poker table is one that seems vulnerable. When an almost-good player gets the best of it against me in a couple of hands, I smile. The easiest way for me to take his stack is if he thinks I'm one of the fish. Hopefully, he'll type chat something like "nh donk" when I'm chasing some implied odds and check down with crap. I stay out of trouble and fight for track position, so when it matters I can give him the Daryl Waltrip "beep beep" treatment. He'll be cursin' and cryin' in a hunk of shredded sheet metal while I take the checkered flag - and all his chips.

Rubbin' is racin'.

Let's go win some money playin' poker.

Robb

The author is a poker enthusiast, not a poker expert. And is probably full of crap.

Here are the results from 10k hands at NL25.

Edit: dunno why I'm deleting all these, no one will ever read this post.

I think it's clear I should focus on FR. LoL.

6max, 4k hands, -5 ptBB/100, -$118 (yes, that NEGATIVE )
FR, 6k hands, 6.3 ptBB/100, +188

Overall, +$70 and some lessons learned. For example, play FR you flippin' moron!! I think FR is more suited to my natural game. While I learned various styles at NL10 and won big at both 6max and FR, my style is still very aggressive. At FR, there's more weak-tight players. At 6max, it's a more loose passive/station game. I like playing stations, but I need to focus on my ABC game at NL25 for 15k or 20k hands before expanding my focus too much.

Here are my position stats for FR:

Edit: dunno why I'm deleting all these, no one will ever read this post.

I'm fairly happy - nearly 3:1 difference in button vs. UTG/EP stats, and strong win rates in the final 4 positions at the table. I'm used to having positive stats at all positions on the table at NL10, but I can work on that. Maybe tighten up even more in EP. I'm not sure why my UTG VP$P is 11. I only open about 8.5% of hands there: all pp's (6%) + AK/AQ (2.5%). But maybe I just got dealt more good cards - it's 248 total hands, so it would take much to throw that percentage off.

Since this is my third serious shot at NL25, several people (including me) have wondered if I can specify the differences between NL25 and NL10. What makes it seem darn near impossible to noobies tryin' to move up when NL100 regs believe it's simple and virtually equivalent to NL10? There are real differences, but in the end they don't matter too much. Here they are, for anyone who cares:

1. More 3betting preflop.
2. More flop raises and check raises.
3. Fewer bluffs and bad calls on the turn and river.

But the biggest difference imo is the fact that the players are slightly better on average. Hero's decisions are basically the same, but the margin for error is less. At NL10, I could donk off a stack or two and quickly earn it back. At NL25, I need a much higher percentage of correct decisions to win at the same rate. Not different decisions. Not harder decisions. Just have to be better at the routine decisions in the game. More reads. More planning ahead. Less "oh, hell, it's only five bucks." You can get away with more mistakes at NL10, and I for one got used to making them.

I've seen very positive things in my decision-making, especially this weekend as I logged 5k hands. I can beat this level. But if anyone asks what the big deal is jumping from NL10 to NL25, I can honestly say this: there's no real difference.

Some improvements I've made:

1. Bet sizing.
2. More selective aggression.
3. Fish tracking/table selection.

For #1, the key at any new level is not so much learning when to bet 2/3's of the pot but at what point the money involved seems to matter to your opponents. At NL10, villains only get cautious when their entire stack is at stake. At NL25, villains slow down around the half stack mark and start thinking (or trying to, at whatever level mental amoeba's have brain function). So their bets are "real" a lot more often on later streets. This is fine - it means they're playing their cards face up a lot. But for an NL10 agro-monkey like me, it means I have to (#2) be more selective with my turn/river aggression and play out medium hands street by street. There's still a place for the shove, no doubt, but I have to be very picky about the spots I choose.

For #3, I'm just getting better at choosing good seats and letting tables go by if the stacks/player types aren't positioned right. Also, at UB where I play most right now, I generally sit down at tables where I have 500+ on half the table, and am facing new opponents (hands <100) less than 20% of the time.

Upshot is this: focus on FR, grind up some roll, and learn to make high quality decisions on every street every time. And win. LoL. Sounds easy. Now I just have to go do it.

Originally Posted by Robb

But the biggest difference imo is the fact that the players are slightly better on average. Hero's decisions are basically the same, but the margin for error is less. At NL10, I could donk off a stack or two and quickly earn it back. At NL25, I need a much higher percentage of correct decisions to win at the same rate. Not different decisions. Not harder decisions. Just have to be better at the routine decisions in the game. More reads. More planning ahead. Less "oh, hell, it's only five bucks." You can get away with more mistakes at NL10, and I for one got used to making them.

yup.

Also, you might want to start a new 25NL database. That way you can see the progress you're making now without worrying about the money you've lost in the past during previous attempts. Psychologically this was very good for me.

glgl

Originally Posted by swiggidy

Originally Posted by Robb

But the biggest difference imo is the fact that the players are slightly better on average. Hero's decisions are basically the same, but the margin for error is less. At NL10, I could donk off a stack or two and quickly earn it back. At NL25, I need a much higher percentage of correct decisions to win at the same rate. Not different decisions. Not harder decisions. Just have to be better at the routine decisions in the game. More reads. More planning ahead. Less "oh, hell, it's only five bucks." You can get away with more mistakes at NL10, and I for one got used to making them.

yup.

Also, you might want to start a new 25NL database. That way you can see the progress you're making now without worrying about the money you've lost in the past during previous attempts. Psychologically this was very good for me.

glgl

Thanks, man. I appreciate it. I started my latest NL25 shot on March 1st, so filtering out the bad crap is easy. Out of site. Out of mind. I'm sort of waiting on PT3 to see what's what before I make a new database.

Robb, I enjoy your inspirational pep talks! Some of the differences I noticed when moving from 10NL to 25NL were:

-You can actually get people to fold some broadway cards with a 4-6x BB PFR. Good luck with that at 10NL.
-The check-minreraise on the flop seems to be the standard "tricky" play for that level on Stars. It usually means TPGK or better. At 50NL it's completely different and often means a draw, combo draw or a mid-pair on a dry board.
-There are a few decent short-stacking nits at 25NL, whereas at 10NL you really can't give any short-stackers credit for being good. Try to identify the good shorties and don't call their shoves without a very strong hand.
-People start paying attention to implied odds for chasing draws. At 10NL there are certain players that will chase them with their entire stack every time. At 25NL you need to pay more attention to sizing your bets so it would be a mistake for them to chase. Double-barreling a blank on the turn now becomes a useful play.

GL with your Op.

Chainsaw Massacre

Part IV in an inspirational series about poker.

When I don't post much on my blog or the forums, you can't count on this: I'm running bad. I don't like giving advice when I'm certain I suck at poker. And right now I'm certain.

I ran bad, then compounded it by donky-donk spewing. I coughed up so many chips I hit my stop loss, and I'm back at NL10. I took a few hours off for thinking. I used the time to crank up my chainsaw and hack down a tree. I cut a bunch of deadfalls, hauled wood and then cranked the chainsaw up again. Felt good. Nothing like firing up a tool that can rip off an arm to take your mind off your troubles. Poker this week reminds me of the song by Three Days Grace.

Pain - without love.
Pain - can't get enough.
Pain - without love.
I'd rather feel pain than nothing at all.

I love this game.

Here are some thoughts I had while tearing things up with my chainsaw. To put it in context, most of my spewing is due to aggression in the wrong spots. Not folding when I know I'm beaten. I get impatient and shove over the top against a fishy villain. Problem is, the fish was playing like he had some cards finally. And I knew it. And spewed. And then wanted to go throw up. And I'm not writing this for you. I'm writing it for me, 'cuz I suck at poker and have the gashed bankroll to prove it! But these are some things I realized I was doing wrong.

1. The destructive power of the chainsaw requires a delicate touch.

If you've never used a chainsaw before, you'll probably be surprised how complex it is. Adjust the chain. To tight and it binds up. To loose and it can derail and rip your head off. And since cutting heats it up, it expands. So you make a couple of cuts and work with a wrench and screwdriver for five minutes, getting it just right. Then you can cut again. Five more cuts and you're back for some bar oil. Three more cuts and the chain is loose again. Damn, got it too tight, so five more minutes fiddling with screwdriver and wrench. Less than a third of the time you're working with a chainsaw are you actually ripping into anything.

Kinda like poker.

I can't just overshove. I have to fine tune the table conditions, wait on some cards, find a flop that works. And the villain folds. So it's back to work with the wrench and screw driver, patiently getting all the conditions right again. Yes, the chainsaw has it place in poker, ripping into villains' stacks with a raw ferocity. But using it at the right time - that requires a deft and delicate touch.

2. Using a chainsaw requires physical strength.

You'd think, if you've never used one, that a chainsaw would cut through a tree like a hot knife through butter. Only if it's a soft wood like pine or rotten wood - and even then it can be difficult. But try hacking your way through a live hardwood trunk, and you're in for moderate test of physical endurance. Your hand's gripping the trigger, yanking the saw back when the chain binds up, forcing it back down in the cut in different positions, working millimeter by millimeter through the tree. Get it notched. Head to the back side. Wait for the wind to stop blowing - the tails of trees falling the wrong way are hilarious and frequent, and this tree was near my house. Then pull back on the trigger and go for it.

You have to stay quick on your feet. When the tree starts to go, you keep the saw running but get ready to dodge. You have to get the saw and yourself out of the way. If you're unlucky, it falls toward you. You get about a second for a quick step, or a tree that weighs over a ton lands on your sorry ass. And you're trying to avoid the chainsaw running full tilt. Using a chainsaw is definitely not as easy as it looks.

Kinda like poker.

I know I can beat this game, but let's not forget all the work and constant awareness that is required. Just because I own all the poker power tools that exist doesn't mean winning will be easy. I have to keep working hard, using my brain and my knowledge to get the power tools zeroed in and ready to roar.

3. If the chain's too loose, it can kill you.

Just like with poker, tight is less dangerous than loose. Too tight and saw the binds up, refusing to run. If you don't loosen up, it can ruin the chainsaw. But it won't kill you.

But when the chain starts sagging, you're in dangerous territory. Inside a cut, there's a lot of force throwing the blades around. The saw can kick and jump, and if the chain is just that fraction too loose, those forces heave it off the bar. Yep. The shit just hit the fan. It gets worse. Cutting loosens the chain, and stopping a cut in the middle is often just as dangerous - or more - than continuing with a loose chain. But it takes several minutes to tighten up the chain, working with wrench and screwdriver on a blade and bar that are searing hot. So you try to get that last cut in before stopping.

Just like me and poker. Just one more cbet, even though I know it's wrong. Just one more 3bet, even though this villain is TAGG. Just one more all-in semibluff with too few outs - it's worked twice already. I've had the chain come off my saw once, and I was lucky. I was through the cut and off the throttle, and the log rolled a bit, binding and grabbing the chain. As the chain eased to idle, it came off the bar, about six inches from my leg. Since then, I stop cutting a lot earlier, and I make damn sure I have everything perfect before I cut. Just like me and poker. Except poker has ripped my leg off a few times, metaphorically at least. And getting too loose is almost always the problem.

Those thoughts are my "chainsaw chronicles." I've taken 10 hours off from poker, planned my moves, tried to learn from the pain. Now I'm headed back to the tables. I just can't get enough of this game, even when it kicks me in the balls. "Pain - without love..."

Now let's tighten up that chain and go win some money playing poker!!

Robb

The author is a poker enthusiast, not a poker expert. And is probably full of crap.

I've been going thru a bad run, too. It helps to read your posts here . I'm rooting for you, man.

Originally Posted by dev

I've been going thru a bad run, too. It helps to read your posts here . I'm rooting for you, man.

The bleeding has stopped. Thanks for the post. I wasn't done playin' poker, but I was sick of the coolers. So I tried 2nl. Up a BI at that level.

Actually, 2nl is a fun game - and it helps you learn some poker skills. You definitely get rr'd and 3bet a lot more at 2nl than 10nl or 25nl, so you really learn to play some tricky hands. Of course, their donk-fish morons, to that helps. But seriously, there's so many short stacks that every bet, every raise forces you to think about implied odds - I've never folded small pp's so often!! BUT TPTK pays pretty well. :P

Sounds exactly like my problems last week.
I was doing the same.
Getting coolered over and over, and then making it worse by spewing.
I wasnt making laydowns when i knew i was beat and i was pressing too hard. Everytime i got a decent hand i was over playing it horribly and trying to out play my opponents.
Sklansky says poker is a game of mistakes.
Make fewer than your opponents and you will prosper.
Also poker takes a lot of patience/confidence and self controll.
You can have all the knowledge/skills in the world,
but without great patience/confidence and self controll, its all useless.
I also dropped down to 2NL when i was running/playing bad to build my confidence and minimize my losses. It worked well for me.
Remember, after every downswing comes an upswing...lol
Good luck to you Robb.

Originally Posted by wesrman

Getting coolered over and over

+1

Originally Posted by wesrman

and then making it worse by spewing.

+ 5

Originally Posted by wesrman

Remember, after every downswing comes an upswing...lol
Good luck to you Robb.

ty

Originally Posted by Robb

Just one more cbet, even though I know it's wrong. Just one more 3bet, even though this villain is TAGG. Just one more all-in semibluff with too few outs - it's worked twice already.

1) you wrote a c-bet article. Read it again.
2) 3-betting TAGGs in position is fine, but just cos you 3-bet DOES NOT mean you own the pot
3) all in semi-bluffs! If you have enough outs it's not a bluff - you can see why. And wow, I semi-bluff a little differently, and it's usually about buying a free card if i don't steal the pot.
4) crush 10nl for a session then go and beat 25nl! then get to 50nl, I'm planning to stay there a while - until br $5k or so, and I want to sit to your left and defend my blinds!

also, take breaks when you're running good sometimes too. Trust me. I hit the waves hard on Friday (finally swell AND offshores!), then a twelve hour music festival saturday.
including these guys...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHnMcRUQP7U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvEOk0XeRZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQNSw2lk56Q

And now I'm back!

Originally Posted by daven

2) 3-betting TAGGs in position is fine, but just cos you 3-bet DOES NOT mean you own the pot

This is gold.
I need to repeat this to myself when i play.

These were my "Bad Day" PT Stats from my worst ever day of poker:



Maybe half was coolers and bad beats, but the rest was spew. And I had another two nights of spew, just not quite this bad. I was reverse grinding, took a $700 bankroll under $400.

Here's today's results. Whew. I'm baa-ack!!



Happy Easter.

I'm back up to $450 already, winning 5 BI at 10nl 6max in 2k hands. I've been table selecting like a demon, ditching tables that are laid out wrong, keeping all the chips on my right and trying to avoid LAGGy shorties to my immediate left. Fishing hard. Changing seats. Jumping in and out of games. I think if I take enough trouble to table select like this all the time, I could pwn Absolute's 6max 10nl tables for 10+ ptBB/100 playing 4 at a time. And I'm going to give it a serious shot in the next couple weeks as I rebuild the roll. And I've got $50 in rakeback on the way any day.

I've taken some of Spoon's advice about PAHUD stats, working to get my popup stats configured and using them more often (need more hands on this site/level to make more of them meaningful).

I'm thinking of taking my next shot at 25nl when I hit $625 (25 BI) with a $400 stop loss. I know my A game beats 25nl, if I do the following:

1. Play my A+ game EVERY hand.
2. Play only 4 tables of 6max at once.
3. Play only 6 tables of FR at once.
4. Table select hard.
5. Profile and target villains.
6. Work on session review.
7. Post more HH's on FTR and at GrinderSchool.

If I'm not able to play my A game, I can kill some time playing PLO2 - something that won't bleed my bankroll.

But I'm back to winning. I'm on the upswing, and regaining my confidence hand by hand. Just a temporary (though massive) setback.

I'm ba-aack. LoL. Work and life conspired to nearly eliminate my poker hobby for 3 weeks. But I've played nearly 1k hands this week in three short sessions, so I'm easing back into the grind.

Results have been good. I'm up about $100 on 2.5k hands at 10nl, 4-6 tabling 6max. With rakeback and solid playing, I'm nearing the $600 mark, so by early May I'll probably be testing 25nl again. I know I can beat that level, but it will certainly take my A+ game every session to do it.

I'm also going to be posting more on FTR - that's a big part of the learning curve, imo, and I've missed the conversations about how to not suck at poker. Good luck at the tables.

Welcome back..lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVS3WNt7yRU

I thought you might have run away. Glad that's not the case

welcome back Robb

Originally Posted by Robb

Chainsaw Massacre
I ran bad, then compounded it by donky-donk spewing. I coughed up so many chips I hit my stop loss, and I'm back at NL10.
<snip>
To put it in context, most of my spewing is due to aggression in the wrong spots. Not folding when I know I'm beaten. I get impatient and shove over the top against a fishy villain. Problem is, the fish was playing like he had some cards finally. And I knew it. And spewed. And then wanted to go throw up. And I'm not writing this for you. I'm writing it for me, 'cuz I suck at poker and have the gashed bankroll to prove it! But these are some things I realized I was doing wrong.

Wow!

This is all so eerily familiar. I'm about 2-3 weeks behind you on all this.

I also recently took a short lived shot at 25nl recently. Short lived due to a couple beats and lots of spew. Just a day or two ago I was thinking about how poorly I'd done recently and suddenly I realized that I'd been going too far with bluffs and mediocre hands against players who could only have had me beat.

I had a couple things contribute to me hitting this over-aggro rut. First, I'd been running very well over the last few weeks, over 10ptbb/100, closer to 20ptbb/100 for a good stretch of that (and yes I was fully aware that I was running well. This wasn't a case of me turning a corner). I got my BR to my alltime high. I'm actually rolled for 25nl (though on the small end) instead of just taking a one buyin shot above my head like I'd done in the past. Then I go get back into a home game I play somewhat regularly where we all know each other so well that "outplaying" each other becomes a much MUCH larger part of the game than my online FR games...and I made a killing there too. I can outplay people...who needs cards? Winning poker is aggressive poker...maybe I'll just crank it up and win more!!

It took my worst downswing in a couple months before I realized what I was doing, and it's exactly what you are talking about here...uncontrolled aggression.

I took some time away from my cash game (and only played a couple tourney's) to allow time for me to...i dunno...reset myself and get back to focusing on winning poker more than aggressive poker.

I think part of my problem is that I somehow got away from focusing on their true hand ranges and thought I could get away with taking down pots because "most likely, he doesn't have a hand this time." FAIL!!

Posts like these, where someone explains what I've been going through (and better than I could explain it to myself), are ones that really remind me why I love this place. They remind me that this is all part of the learning process and that I'm not the only dumbass to get stuck in stupid ruts like these.

Hawkfan, good luck gettin' back track. I've regrouped and gotten a big chunk of my roll back, plus been helped by rakeback. So I took a shot at 25nl last night. Here are the results:



I like the 20/16/4.55 profile. It's tight enough for 6max. My 35% steal blind attempts and 30+ VP$P from the SB are both higher than normal because the games on Absolute tend to be VERY passive and picked up a lot of sc's in the SB where a couple of limpers were in and the BB seemed very unlikely to raise.

I didn't play weak-tight. I 2barreled a few times successfully, and even 3barreled once. But I also laid down hands. I folded AQ preflop from the SB after a raise and a call. I just didn't feel like playing out of position with a hand that can be trouble.

I also ran well. When I picked up KK and QQ, the overcards did NOT hit. I picked up a couple of sets and got played back at. I picked up AA and got people limping and raising in front of me. But the last few times I've played 25nl, I've run bad. So it wasn't completely unfair to get some cards and play them well.

Final thought: only play 25nl when I can bring my A game. My B game doesn't even break even here, yet. It's no problem to drop back to 10nl for a night or two when I'm exhausted, or stressed, or not feeling well.

I plan to post another article in here this weekend - get back track with my posting and writing. Good luck at the tables people!!

Day 2 at 25nl (for the 4th f**kin time ) is all good. I played well, but didn't really run good or face any coolers. Up a half BI after 400 hands without really playing anything memorable. It's funny. Every session of break-even right now is confidence building. 400 more HH's in the database for HUD reads. No gash in the br to recover from. Plenty more experience to know how my ABC games plays one level higher.

I will reiterate what I believe to be true about the difference between 10nl and 25nl - there isn't much difference. Just a few players have learned to fold, just a few players have learned to 3bet, just a few players are better at avoiding trouble, just a few stations have been weeded out by the Darwinian struggle, but generally just the same stupid crap from 10nl for more bigger bets. I'm still regularly facing loose-passive players (40+/4+) pre who get weak-tight post. I'm still seeing the occasional maniac all-in fest.

I am also practicing a new way to "warm up." I sit down and play 100 or so hands of 10nl, not really to try to win but find the zone, make sure that my decisions are sound. Since there's so little difference in the two, I just play my standard 25nl game at 10nl until I feel really comfortable that I'm concentrating well and playing great. Then I close down the 10nl's and open some 25nl tables and go for it.

The real test will be if I can actually realize during the 10nl warm up that it's a bad night to play and not go up to 25nl. We'll see on that one. I'm looking forward to May. I should have more time to play, and if I can be playing mostly at 25nl I will be thrilled with my overall progress.

Every now and then, you have a session-maker - a single hand which by itself almost guarantees a session will be positive.

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($27.11)
CO ($24.09)
BTN ($22.09)
SB ($37.29)
BB ($31.94)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 5 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds, SB raises to $1.7, BB calls $1.45, Hero calls $0.85

Flop: ($5.1, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2.55, Hero calls $2.55, SB raises to $5.1, BB goes all-in $30.24, Hero goes all-in $22.86, SB calls $25.14

Turn: ($93.54, 3 players)

River: ($93.54, 3 players)
SB shows:
BB shows:
Hero shows:

BB wins $9.35 ( lost -$25.14 )
Hero wins $78.64 ( won $51.53 )
SB lost -$31.94

WOW.

very nice. Lol....a session maker, nice one.

shame you weren't deep
nice one

April's nearly in the bag, so here's my first winning month at 25nl.







I would be interested in any thought y'all have about my 6max game. Quick summary is I'm playing 21/16/4.4, stealing blinds 35%, and winning at a 6.7 BB/100 clip. I think I'm too loose in the SB, but I'm playing at Absolute where the action is passive and Deep Stack Poker (w/ their 200 BB max buy in) dictates some more loose play in the SB.

Thoughts?

nice work!
your W$WSD thing hasn't changed, and still amazes me - you must be good at controlling pots when behind and/or good at getting value when you hit.
Another month or two like that and you'll be thinking about moving up

Originally Posted by daven

your W$WSD thing hasn't changed, and still amazes me - you must be good at controlling pots when behind and/or good at getting value when you hit.

I don't know about pot control or extracting value. I end up at showdown after checking down my weak hands against weak-tights. They often won't bet me off my hand after I cbet. Spoon and ISF both say W$WSD is okay, as long as it stays above 40%.

Looks good Robb keep it going, my advice is if your winning don't look for ways to change your game too much!

Well...let's qualify winning. I can beat 6max 25nl at one sight, break even at my other site, and lose on both sites when I try 25nl FR. So I'm open to leak-plugging.