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Old 06-01-2009, 04:57 AM #351 (permalink)  
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Robb, I can has your may graph?
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Old 06-01-2009, 06:24 AM #352 (permalink)  
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Robb, I can has your may graph?
I'll post it later today, or first thing tomorrow.
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 Jeez, played a real poker session last night for the first time in forever. 1.2k hands and +3BI at 50nl, which was 2.5 BI's below all-in EV. EZ game.
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 Sesh last night: 700 hands 50nl, down a BI. I was down 3 (and 2 BI's behind EV) early on, just couldn't catch a break on the river. Got a few to swing my way toward the end. Didn't play horrible, just didn't get much to work with.

I've got like 8 more days to grind for real before my poker hours will behave like this:

lim (x -> inf) of F(x) = 1/x

Fortunately, I'll have more time to play starting July 1st, though it will be sporadic. So I'm trying to enjoy my poker minutes until June 14.
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Old 06-05-2009, 12:11 AM #356 (permalink)  
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lim (x -> inf) of F(x) = 1/x
you're switching to limit?? wat?
 
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lim (x -> inf) of F(x) = 1/x
you're switching to limit?? wat?
they'll go down.
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Old 06-05-2009, 02:20 PM #358 (permalink)  
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 A 90 minute session this AM was nearly 4 BI positive at 50nl. I think another day or so at 50nl will complete the things I'm working on, and I may return to 100nl for the last 5 days prior to my pokerz going bye bye. Feel like I'm playing well and that I've added about 3% overall to my VP$P, mostly with bets and raises and improved preflop ranges. It puts me in some tough spots in 3b/4b pots postflop, but I've learned a ton about those situations and I'm a lot more comfortable there than my opponents, I think. I wonder how the new slightly laggier style will play at 100nl? Should be a fun experiment.

I like Rage's Multitabling Scripts. I instantly added two tables without any loss of time to think, which will help the hourly at whatever level I'm playing.

Anyone who hasn't tried Rage's scripts and plays at least 5 tables should try it for about an hour, imo. It's an extremely efficient way of managing tables that allows tables to be moved into one of three special viewing areas with single button-press. When done, mouse hover over and ship it back. Once you're used to how it works, it's awesome.
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Is that for 6max? Just wondering, I wudnt play more than 4 tbls myself.
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lim (x -> inf) of F(x) = 1/x
you're switching to limit?? wat?
getting pretty close to zero....
wonder if it's asymptotic or something
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Is that for 6max? Just wondering, I wudnt play more than 4 tbls myself.
Not sure what you're asking. The scripts are for tables: FR/6m/tourneys or whatever. I think it would certainly be much more useful for the FR grinders. You could pretty easily play 16 tables of FR on a small screen with this setup.

I have a smallish screen, so tables overlap when they're big enough to work with my HUD, and I use it to move tables around so I can follow the important action on at least 3 tables at once.

At 100nl, I play a max of 5 tables and usually 4. At 50nl where I have pretty long history with most of the regs, I play 6. With Rage's scripts, I can play 8 50nl 6m tables np, and probably 9 or 10 when I get it all sorted.

It's a cool deal. The efficiency comes in several ways:

1. The stacked tables mean all the buttons are in the exact same place. So you hover over the "fold" button and just click away your trash hands without having to move the mouse around the screen.

2. When a hand pops up you want to play, you hit "space" and the table moves into a free slot (there are 3) where you can follow it. HEM works well, so you HUD stats shift, too - takes less than a second for HUD stats to reappear.

3. When you're done watching a table and playing the hand, hitting space again "tucks" the table away in the main stack under the active ones.

So while you're playing more hands, you're still following the entire action on several hands at once, and I've modified Rage's version so I can type notes. I'm playing my same game with more tables, just gaining efficiency in terms of clicking on sh!t and seeing tables where action matters.
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 OK, I don't usually whine too much about getting rivered, but this was pretty sick.

First hand, I have AdJd and hit Js9d4d for TP + FD. It takes a little dancing, but we get it all-in the flop (he has 99). While that's going on, I flopped a straight w/ AQ, we click-click-click it all-in pretty fast (this guy has JJ). Turn's a diamond (AJs hand), so I'm all-in with like 80% equity now on two hands. Glance up, 9 on the river to beat my straight, glance down, J on the river to beat my flush. Hands finish within 2 seconds of each, with no action on other tables in between. Double dose of quads on the river - seriously sick.

Admittedly, I wasn't really ahead on the AJ hand on the flop, so getting rivered there wasn't a bad beat. But double-quad-rivers were something I had never seen before. Pretty cool. Be a bit cooler next time if I'm the one with the quads :P

Oh, yeah, up like $250 today (even after the quad-busting), playing a mix of 50nl and 100nl. Got to play like 4 hours 'cuz my parents went home early.
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I think double quads at the same time is worthy of a short whine
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Sounds like another day in the life. GJ not tilting off some moniez after the beats.
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Sounds like another day in the life. GJ not tilting off some moniez after the beats.
Weird thing, I was closing down tables to quit (so I don't know if I would have tilted), so the double-quads were 2 of my last five hands. It's just pokerz, I guess.

I got in another sesh this morning, all 100nl, up another 2.5 BI. Feel like I'm playing well.
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 Several good sessions today, up $80 which was about $200 below expectation. I was up about $500 and hit some variance, plus I got tired so maybe a BI of spew in there.
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Old 06-09-2009, 12:05 AM #367 (permalink)  
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I tried to use Rage's scripts but AHK doesnt seem to work to well on windows 7. Thats too bad being I really wanted to use it. By the way your quads hands was gross. ++GJ for not freaking out. I still get pissed at +EV cooler spots. They should make a clear eyes for personality aggro people.
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hope all is going good robb. i'm enjoying the quality links youve posted many thanks
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hope all is going good robb. i'm enjoying the quality links youve posted many thanks
np, i'm glad people (besides me) get something out of them!!

@pokerz - internet was off all night last night, so I didn't get to put in a session

Lookin' forward to tonight.
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 Ever feel like you can't win a race? And this is after being UP $100 last sesh in all-in EV.
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 Time for a couple confessions.

1. I've been playing FR.
2. I've been mass multitabling.
3. I can't beat 100nl FR without dropping a bunch of tables

So while I hope none of the noobies read this and think ZOMFG I should play more tables and autopilot, my journey in June was try some different stuff. The LAGG experiment at 25nl and 50nl 6m. Different opening ranges in EP. Different bet amounts otb, etc.

What I've found is that I can autopilot 50nl FR. I'm 7+ ptBB/100 over my first 20k hands there. There's like twice as many 50nl tables as 100nl, so I can table select better, and the regs just can't play poker. They're anti-gamblers, waiting on the nuts.

That's important because, for those who've followed this op a while, I'm planning to start taking serious income expectations to my pokerz starting in July. I'd like to be withdrawing at least $500 / month, and I'm trying to find what games and styles will earn the maximum in the least amount of time.

50nl FR 14+ tables gets me about 1k hands in 75 minutes, about typical for a week night session. That also earns me enough FTPs that 20 sessions on different days would qualify me for the top Iron Man level which, after a year or so, is worth >$100 / month.

My plan for July (and whatever time I can squeeze in for pokerz in the next crazy 3 weeks) is to try log 20 sessions of 50nl FR each month to insure Iron Man qualification and bankroll building of about $1k plus rakeback. Any additional time I have for poker will be spent trying to learn more at 100nl 6m so that when I have the bankroll, I can take a shot at 200nl 6m.

I don't feel all that guilty for playing too many tables or switching back to FR part time. The thing that makes me feel bad is that I can't beat 100nl any more!! Oh, well, I'm playing stressed-out, distracted poker, not my A game. Maybe after life settles down a bit, I'll be back to winning at 100nl.

My goals for the rest of 2009:

1. Withdraw at least $500 / month for the next 6 months.
2. Earn enough beyond that for a decently-rolled shot at 200nl in December.
3. Use 92k FTPs to buy a 24" monitor from the FT store (I'm at ~65k) so I can fit 4 tables in default size on the same screen which will help me not go blind trying to read my HUD which probably displays too many stats I never look at but like wtf are you gonna use all those FTPs for anyway when you own all the books they sell and the Harley costs like 4 gazillion points.
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My goals for the rest of 2009:
the Harley costs like 4 gazillion points.
Fuck a Hardly. GLw/your goals. Awesome progress over the past few months.

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 OK, while I'm running 8 ptBB/100, I shouldn't complain, but I am getting seriously sick of losing every race whether I'm KK < JJ or AK < AJ. Just wondering what the win rate would be if I won my share of all-ins.

K thx bye.
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OK, while I'm running 8 ptBB/100, I shouldn't complain, but I am getting seriously sick of losing every race whether I'm KK < JJ or AK < AJ. Just wondering what the win rate would be if I won my share of all-ins.

K thx bye.
you're probably also hitting every single draw on the turn/flopping sets every time you call a raise/etc., but since you don't have any program that measures your draw luck you keep bitching about whatever you CAN measure, amirite

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The more I think about All-in EV the more I realize how useless it is. If we were to measure luck as a whole and then figure out how much of it comes down to AIEV, we'd come up with less than 10%. HEM doesn't even measure the money put in on streets before we shove afaik.
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I remember I read your posts thinking "what- why in hell does this guy play 10NL!!" I did not say anything because I did not want you to start playing beyond your bankroll.

Great posts, great accomplishments- all my kudos to you. Your journey through the stakes is very similar to mine- up, up and up! The confidence you have amassed shines through in your posts and that is excellent!

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The more I think about All-in EV the more I realize how useless it is. If we were to measure luck as a whole and then figure out how much of it comes down to AIEV, we'd come up with less than 10%. HEM doesn't even measure the money put in on streets before we shove afaik.
True, I get that part, and I'm winning like $150 in a session, but still have lost 4 out of 5 all-in coin flips.

And I also understand IOPQ's point about how it's easy to focus on 1 part of poker luck / variance and disregard every other facet. I've played 20k hands at an 8 ptbb/100 win rate at 50nl FR. They suck. They're weak tight, and the furnace of 100nl has my game pretty well used to thin value for big money. They're nut-camping nits. They hate getting squeezed. At 100nl, some squeezes like every other orbit. They don't 3bet much.

So I really have no clue even after 20k hands how much is luck, how much is the fact that they don't have reads, how much is the fact they're TAGG-nits while I'm TAGG-super-agro, and how much is the fact that they just suck.

I'm just happy to be winning big right now: positive variance, them sucking or whatever it is.
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Time for a couple confessions.
1. I've been playing FR.
2. I've been mass multitabling.
3. I can't beat 100nl FR without dropping a bunch of tables
woot! but you missed out one part of the confession, but your secret is safe (i won't post any hand histories )

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What I've found is that I can autopilot 50nl FR.
every 100nl reg watches CR vids, reads/posts 2+2, etc. There are a bunch of 100nl pros, etc. 50nl is full of people who can't make it to 100nl.... it's probably the biggest jump i've seen.


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r the top Iron Man level which, after a year or so, is worth >$100 / month.
it's $100 bonus for each month (awarded 6-monthly), plus about $75 in medals that can buy bonuses, plus FPPs trade at about $3/1000 in 2+2 marketplace, plus the monthly ironman freeroll is about $90 in overlay per player...
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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 Well, my 2 week poker hiatus is over - I think I'll play tonight for an hour or two. The last two weeks, I played 3 short sessions totaling just over 1k hands, and I was up about $40. I think I'm up about 1k for the month, but I haven't looked in a while.

I've still got a crazy schedule for the next month, then I can settle back into grinding. But at least for the next 4 weeks, I'll have some time to play and stay active on FTR.

My Summer Honors camp was a big success, now my fourth year as director. We had 42 teenagers join us for academics every morning and climbing at the ropes course in the afternoon where they competed in scored leadership events. We even took a rock climbing and rappelling trip. It's a residential camp, so we had special events in the evenings like a hypnosis show and an etiquette dinner. An intense but enjoyable 12 days.

The 8 college kids who worked the camp and I went out for beers after the Awards Banquet Friday night, and we had short bit of R&R before heading to sleep off 12 days of sleep-deprivation, sunburn, dehydration and the other results of going full-bore wide-open crazy-hard at fun in 95+ degree (F) heat for two weeks.

I've got some fun pics I'll post later. We always have mostly female campers, so 6 of my employees were college girls, most of them attractive and fit since we all have to be capable rock climbers, belayers and spotters. It's a real tough job, but someone's gotta do it, amiright?

Starting Monday, I teach a class that will have 48 contact hours in the next 8 school days, and the following week take two trips: first to DC to work with the National Science Foundation, and then a trip to Austin, TX, for a math conference. I won't play a ton of poker, but at least I'll get some hands in.

Hope y'all didn't let Spoony do anything foolish while I was away
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We always have mostly female campers, so 6 of my employees were college girls, most of them attractive and fit since we all have to be capable rock climbers, belayers and spotters. It's a real tough job, but someone's gotta do it, amiright?
so, this got me to thinking...
I have a math degree gathering dust somewhere
I've done some climbing
I'm sure my girlfriend is the understanding type
New Zealand is kinda exotic
I'm guessing you could do with some volunteer assistance....
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We always have mostly female campers, so 6 of my employees were college girls, most of them attractive and fit since we all have to be capable rock climbers, belayers and spotters. It's a real tough job, but someone's gotta do it, amiright?
so, this got me to thinking...
I have a math degree gathering dust somewhere
I've done some climbing
I'm sure my girlfriend is the understanding type
New Zealand is kinda exotic
I'm guessing you could do with some volunteer assistance....
As soon as we get the funding, we'll do Summer Honors New Zealand and put you in charge of all hiring, training and performance evaluations of the female staff.
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Uh, June ain't over, yet, guys. I'll post tonight.
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 Garph for the month which doesn't include about $370 in rakeback, mostly from the last part of May and first week of June when I was playing a ton of hands. Haven't played seriously June 12th. Haven't calculated to the penny, but it appears I'm $5 - $10 shy of a 1k month (if you include rb). Still have ~ 5 hours to fix that, or totally f**k it up. :P
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 Positive variance fairy waved her magic wand over my 800 hands tonight, and I won 2.5 BI's at 50nl. So I'm up a bit more than 1.1k for the month if you count rb.

I've been updating records from the last 2 years of poker. I have incurred $775 in expenses, about $350 in initial deposits and the rest in software, money transfer charges and poker books. I've withdrawn and spent $1,825. And I have $2,650 in bankroll.

Total poker profits lifetime appear to be ~ $,3700.

It's interesting to watch Ben talk about his plans for withdrawing. I think he has a great plan. Mine's very different, but we each at least understand ourselves, what motivates us and what will keep us working hard at improving.

My goal is to develop a record of withdrawals in the next 6 months that sets some precedent for poker profits. I'd like to make a significant purchase (something with wheels + motor) with poker bucks. I hope to take my shot at 200nl by year's end, but I'm more interested in making several $500 withdrawals to prove to my wife I'm capable of making payments.

I think some of the others around here like Ben are well ahead of me in terms of understanding the game, but I feel like I'm really advancing a lot right now. So chillin' out at 50nl and 100nl is fine for the time being, as long as I'm profiting.
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Old 07-03-2009, 04:14 PM #388 (permalink)  
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 Just to show how little I played in 2nd half of June, I just got a week's rakeback (June 16 - 23) for a bankroll boosting $1.34. Woot!
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 I've been winning at 50nl, but my layoff (and the experimenting in May/June at various games/levels) seems to have sent my 100nl 6m game into the crapper. I'll be posting a lot of HH's in the next few days to see if I can sort some things out.

I know someone will comment on the less than full stack. I've been buying in for 80BB - if I win I stay at the table. Helps me early in sessions. When I see a juicy table, I chip up.


Hand 1: Villain is 25/18/2.2 over 77 hands with 100% cbet. I haven't played any interesting hands against him.

$0.5/$1 Deep No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($103.00)
UTG+1 ($191.05)
Hero (CO) ($108.70)
BTN ($378.50)
SB ($96.15)
BB ($204.10)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is CO
UTG raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($8.50, 2 players)
UTG bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($20.50, 2 players)
UTG bets $15, Hero raises to $40, UTG goes all-in $93.50, $53.50 to Hero ($59.20)??


Hand 2: New to table w/ no regs, no more than 3 HH's on anyone.

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero (UTG) ($80.00)
UTG+1 ($100.60)
CO ($84.90)
BTN ($100.00)
SB ($100.00)
BB ($105.50)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $3.50, UTG+1 calls $3.50, CO calls $3.50, 2 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($14.50, 4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks

Turn: ($14.50, 4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, UTG+1 calls $10, CO calls $10, BB calls $10

River: ($54.50, 4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $36, 1 fold, CO goes all-in $71.40, BB folds, Hero goes all-in $30.50

Final Pot: $187.50
Hero shows:
CO shows:


Hand 3: This is one of those 3b spots that I get lost on. BB is 24/16/2.5 reg (255 hands) with 10% 3b from BB, 6% 3b over all. His squeeze is 11%. So I think he's light here a lot. Advice preflop and then flop, please.

$0.5/$1 Deep No Limit Holdem
6 players
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Stacks:
Hero (UTG) ($80.00)
UTG+1 ($369.00)
CO ($105.65)
BTN ($202.60)
SB ($203.50)
BB ($191.05)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, CO calls $3.50, 2 folds, BB raises to $16.50, Hero calls $13, CO folds

Flop: ($37, 2 players)
BB bets $25, $25 to Hero ($63.50)??
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 One of the reasons I suck at poker is because I refuse to take good advice. Every poker mistake that exists - I'm determined to try it out myself just to verify that, in fact, it's a mistake.

The latest installment of said poker idiocy was mixing both FR and 6m in the same session. I had heard it was a bad idea, but of course I couldn't just let it be a theoretical bad idea - I had to prove it was a bad idea for me.

My problem is this:

1. I like 6m better than FR.
2. I've learned more about poker playing 6m.

Which doesn't sound like a problem except that:

3. I make more money playing FR.

Right now, on FTP, the .25/.50 FR tables are big time soft, and I can multitable my way to a nice hourly rate and earn some good rb and bonuses. It's fits easily into the time I have to play and should generate about $1k per month in profit. But it's work, not fun, 'cuz I'd rather be playing 6m.

So I put in 1k hands Saturday, then switched to 6m, and just got crushed. Then, when I went back to FR, I got crushed there. Just to review my spew-fest, I played 6m too weak-tight because of FR, and then I played FR too laggy 'cuz of 6m. So...$400 in the red later, I readjusted my FR game and played break-even for a short session, then won 3 BI's in an hour-long session today.

So I have my FR grind back in sync, and making money is certainly more fun than losing it. But I need to find some way to both generate the monthly profit I would like and leave myself serious chunks of time each month to work on my 6m game.

Perhaps the following plan is better: grind FR for the first three weeks of every month, then play 6m for about 10 days. That would allow me about 9-10 days of 6m each month while still generating a good income from poker. (I need the hands from FR to maintain iron man status and keep earning those bonuses.)
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Robb I made $1500 in 6m last month, and $3000 two months ago
obviously, you can 5-6 table 6m like me and make profits and learn pokers

why would you want $1000 in FR when you can make say $750 in 6m and get better at pokers (saving yourself $200/hr in coaching, lol)
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Its an ongoing decision as we move up. Money or education. It all sounds well and good to focus on improving all the time, but either we get a taste of the returns and want more, or we just get tired of always focusing on learning and just want to win some $s. Finding some balance is probably important (ideally we'd love to win nice $s as we learn, but we cant always rely on that). Your plan sounds pretty decent, try it for a few months and see how it goes.
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Btw, fold 99 to the 3bet. Even with position you cant continue profitably there. Hand 1 just flat turn and river if you want to continue. 9Ts is a shitty spot after getting 2 callers on the turn. We lose value if we c/c I think, but if we get raised we're almost certainly beat. I might bet more like $20 to get called by worse and fold to a shove.
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Robb I made $1500 in 6m last month, and $3000 two months ago
obviously, you can 5-6 table 6m like me and make profits and learn pokers

why would you want $1000 in FR when you can make say $750 in 6m and get better at pokers (saving yourself $200/hr in coaching, lol)
Yeah, I got better at pokers for 8 months playing mostly 6m, but at some point I'd like to make steady withdrawals. My goals for the year were to take a shot at 200nl by the end of the year, and I can still do that and withdraw $2k - $3k over the next 6 months at my current win rate.

I guess I don't see why I can't manage both - when I have time to devote a couple weeks to poker, work on my 6m. When I just have 45 minutes a day a few days per week, play 50nl FR and profit. Part of winning monies at poker is putting in hands at games we can crush.

Life should settle down in the Fall - it always seems that Oct-Jan are my best months for progressing at poker. The rest of year is a struggle to keep my head above water with work, family and other obligations. So I'll kind of focus on FR until I have more time. I'll just build the roll, withdraw my targets, and generally profit, working on 6m as I have time.
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 Couple sessions of 50nl FR, 2.2k hands, up 7 BI. I was running like a god even though I stacked off to quads 3 times. Some of my losses from the weekend were negative variance (though not all), so I guess I'm about even.
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The latest installment of said poker idiocy was mixing both FR and 6m in the same session. I had heard it was a bad idea, but of course I couldn't just let it be a theoretical bad idea - I had to prove it was a bad idea for me.

need the hands from FR to maintain iron man status and keep earning those bonuses.
I'm also mixing FR and 6-max. Definitely takes discipline to switch, and i won't play both simultaneously. At least an hour break in between... TAG ranges are so different. It can be done, but it took me a while to get it sorted. Reading Jyms' why post is useful for this. Your idea sounds good.

also, you may be interested:
For low volume (<50k hands a month) low stakes ($100nl and less) grinders, FT ironman is great EV.

After 19 months:
* every month iron man equates to about $120 in medals
* every month iron man equates to likely 6-monthly $100 extra bonus
* add this to 27% rakeback if you're playing low volumes and it pumps it up heaps, but... diminishing returns as volume increases.

at a point it makes sense to play other sites as well - my plan once back in NZ involves maintaining supernova on stars/ironman on FT and Palladium on party. Most of my play will go where the best value lies that month, if similar i'll go to the best tables.
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Fwiw, Ft ironman top status is easily achievable 4tabling 100nl 6m
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 I've noticed what may be my biggest 100nl leak. It seems that I tend to disrespect pretty much all villains I play until proven otherwise. I noticed this example in the BC yesterday and today:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...nl-t86954.html

Dozer and Spoon say fold, I'm like wtf? The board isn't that drawy, and villain's a 20/5/2.8 feesh. So he c/r'd. If he's not solid, the c/r could mean a lot of things south of the nuts. Hero has AA and board is like JT27, with the turn making a FD.

Whatever you think of the specific hand, what I'm realizing is that I tend to analyze opponents as though they're quite capable of big, stupid mistakes, and I include a fairly large amount of "junk" in my estimates of their ranges.

I think that's valid for a lot of 25nl and 50nl villains (and below), but what I am beginning to realize about 100nl (both FR and 6m) is that they do actually put people on ranges and are reasonably good at it.

I watch guys like griffey and daven commenting on BJ's op HH's and saying things like "how often do you show up with TP here?" I'm generally thinking "who cares?" because I don't tend to believe villains are capable of analyzing at that level.

But I think it's holding me back in terms of poker development. I don't have any plans to start respecting 25nl villains, lulz, but I think I'm going to have to start doing a better job of leveling the 100nl TAGG-regs and realizing they DO put people on ranges. I've got to play my range effectively, and merge ranges better. I've got to back off my aggression when my range is weak and ratchet it up when my range is strong (regardless of whether I have the goods or not).

I think this will help a lot.
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 Another question I have going forward is whether I play too TAGGy. Each at new level higher, the TAGG's get looser. My 19/16 6m style is a bit nitty at 100nl and seems more than a bit nitty compared to some 200nl players I'm familiar with. But whenever I try to open up my game, I lose.

So why not nit it up? I think I have a lot of room for improvement playing the hands I do open for a solid win rate without adding much right now. So I'm done with the "loosening up" experiments right now and focused on solid pokerz. I'm trying to maximize the number of "spots" I can pick to attack looser/laggier players, so my game will open up as the games I play in loosen up. But I'm no longer looking to add any VPiP to my playing total.
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Just dont overadjust and start giving unknowns (even reggy ones) credit for thinking too well either.

I'm still running about 21/17 and beating 100nl healthily. No need to open up too much. If its not broken, dont fix it . I spoke to Griffey about openning up my range and wanting to become more of a lag, and he basically asked why the hell I'd want to do that when I can just play strong ranges against those people? Good question.
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