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Genitruc

11-01-2010, 08:11 PM Post subject: Operation I Am Not a Grinder

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I guess I am now part of the “Old Guard” on FTR,so hi there to any new bloggers that I haven’t gotten to know yet.

My bread and butter site (Interpoker) was recently closed down to Canadian players. Having to change sites and re-examine my overall poker game plan has brought about the urge to state some simple things very clearly.

I am not cut out to be a lonely grinder. I’ve been that person in the context of different activities throughout my life and I no longer find it interesting or fulfilling. It feels like the right time to call a spade a spade and admit something: for me, poker is a profitable hobby. It will never be a satisfying “real job”.

That doesn’t mean I’m looking to stop playing (although I wouldn’t mind) or to stop making money at the tables. I still have a huge poker ego - got a big kick out of this: (outdated, link to interpoker player of the month brag) - but I won’t be evaluating the success or failure of my time at the poker tables in the same way that I have before. Whereas I once aspired to be a recognized and feared top player – playing tough opponents for the sake of the challenge and amassing a huge BR as a result of my awesomeness– now I simply hope to put away a decent chunk of change this year through good play and open the door to some other life opportunities I’d like to take advantage of over the next few years.

My starting point in this operation is a daunting one, with a staggeringly low online BR and, for the first time in my life, a sizeable debt to pay off. Here’s how I imagine things playing out:

Phase 1

-pay off 15k of interest-sucking debt without moving up at all in stakes
-NL100 and NL200, PLO 100 and the occasional 200 table when table conditions leave me no choice
-goal: February 1st 2011

Phase 2

-pay off 10k of interest-free debt while moving up in stakes
-goal: May 1st 2011

Phase 3

-NL 200-1K and PLO 100-400 games
-set aside 100k
-goal: September 1st 2011

My starting BR is 6k for cashgames and 2k for tourneys. I am giving myself 2 months before my next withdrawal (my liferoll can survive) and I have a couple bonus/RB payments on the way so my cushion is a bit larger than the initial 8k. My go-to setup will be 6 tables of cash with a couple donkaments fired up on the sie. I feel like I play best on a thin roll but if I drop 10 buyins at NL200 and dust off a bunch at PLO100 then I’ll be down almost exclusively at nl100, avoiding PLO.

But I don’t expect that to happen. I’ll be playing mostly donks and that, more than anything else, is insurance against the dreaded runbad. My updates will be very results-oriented, coupled with some strategy (although there usually isn’t all that much interesting shit going on playing donks at nl100 and 200 on fishy sites) and hopefully lots of celebrating.

Cheers.

(edited since "player of the month" link was no longer up to date)

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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11-01-2010, 08:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by genitruc

Player of The Month - InterPoker.com -

hahaha that is so baller

Good luck!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carroters

Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools

Vi-Zer0Skill

11-01-2010, 08:48 PM

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If you're old guard, am i second generation??

Quote:

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Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools

!Luck

11-01-2010, 09:27 PM

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GL.

Hoopy

11-01-2010, 09:50 PM

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GL dude, the variance in your last blog was brutal so hopefully things get better now.

al yell

11-01-2010, 10:00 PM

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When Push Comes To Shove

Micro2Macro

11-01-2010, 10:55 PM

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gl sir

"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."

Check out my blog here!

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philly and the phanatics

11-01-2010, 11:05 PM

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philly and the phanatics is a jewel in the rough

all i can think of when i see this title is the lebron commercial "I AM NOT A ROLE MODEL"...good luck

donkbee

11-01-2010, 11:59 PM

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I like you, Genitruc. Good luck.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.

HarleyGuy13

11-02-2010, 12:57 AM

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Good luck to ya sir!

"You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

Quote:

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Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it

Genitruc

11-02-2010, 03:12 AM

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grinded for about 3 hours, made 270 including an annoying donkament (one of those 500 cap 27.50$ on stars) where, in maybe 3rd place (1st was only 1.1k but wtv) i lost AQ to A5 vs the chip leader to go out 13th gg.

thanks for the karma everybody. i ll start paying attention to the ftr blogosphere and weigh in with my 2c from time to time. also, anybody who feels like posting hands in this thing is more than welcome and can be assured I'll reply.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Genitruc

11-02-2010, 03:17 AM

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and ya, Vi-Z you are the early 2nd generation, I guess I'm the end of the 1st.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

donkbee

11-02-2010, 04:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Genitruc

and ya, Vi-Z you are the early 2nd generation, I guess I'm the end of the 1st.

I'm glad that a couple of the "first generation" are coming back and posting more. I loved FTR so much back in the day... not that I don't love it now, but it's just not the same!

And hah those $27.50 500 caps are annoying, but at least they're soft and low variance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.

bjsaust

11-02-2010, 04:54 AM

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GL with this and your goals man.

Just playing to improve.

daven

11-02-2010, 05:09 AM

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play well, run good, and smash that debt dude.

and all this talk of being out of shape, but not a cheeseburger in sight?!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genitruc

I am not cut

now I simply hope to put away a decent chunk
my liferoll can survive

so my cushion is a bit larger than the initial

from the 3g corner

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/

Genitruc

11-02-2010, 05:18 AM

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sick detective work daven. i am indeed sporting more of a pooch than normal, although its days are numbered (Crossfit ftw).

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

bikes

11-02-2010, 05:49 AM

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fwiw you were a giant inspiration to me when i first started poker so i wish the absolute best of luck to you.

I damage threads that may actually benefit some posters

griffey24

11-02-2010, 04:27 PM

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New blog, here we go!

Does Phase 3 mean you want to make 100k in the four months between May 1st and Sept 1st?

If so, go go go. That would be awesome!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Z

I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks

Genitruc

11-02-2010, 04:48 PM

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nah the 100k would just be total withdrawable BR by sep 1st '11

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Genitruc

11-02-2010, 08:46 PM

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pretty annoying little session early this afternoon, played very solid and nitty and got it all in 3 times :

$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 02, 06:16:23 ET 2010
Table (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Supahstar ( $19.55 USD )
Seat 2: timoskabasis ( $18.87 USD )
Seat 3: Genitruc ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 4: osmarsexto ( $96.15 USD )
Seat 5: nickramsey ( $114.05 USD )
Seat 6: kennoway ( $40.00 USD )
nickramsey posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
kennoway posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Dealt to Genitruc

Supahstar folds
timoskabasis folds
Genitruc raises [$3.00 USD]
osmarsexto folds
nickramsey calls [$2.50 USD]
kennoway calls [$2.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop **

nickramsey checks
kennoway bets [$9.00 USD]
Genitruc raises [$25.00 USD]
nickramsey calls [$25.00 USD]
kennoway folds
** Dealing Turn **

nickramsey checks
Genitruc bets [$72.00 USD]
nickramsey calls [$72.00 USD]
Genitruc shows

nickramsey shows

** Dealing River **

nickramsey wins $209.00 USD from main pot

$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 02, 06:11:39 ET 2010
Table (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Supahstar ( $36.80 USD )
Seat 2: timoskabasis ( $18.97 USD )
Seat 3: Genitruc ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 4: osmarsexto ( $97.65 USD )
Seat 5: nickramsey ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 6: Pablo484 ( $135.16 USD )
Supahstar posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
timoskabasis posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Dealt to Genitruc

Genitruc raises [$3.00 USD]
osmarsexto folds
nickramsey calls [$3.00 USD]
Pablo484 calls [$3.00 USD]
Supahstar folds
timoskabasis folds
** Dealing Flop **

Genitruc bets [$7.00 USD]
nickramsey folds
Pablo484 calls [$7.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn **

Genitruc bets [$16.00 USD]
Pablo484 calls [$16.00 USD]
** Dealing River **

Genitruc bets [$74.00 USD]
Pablo484 calls [$74.00 USD]
Genitruc shows

Pablo484 shows

Pablo484 wins $201.50 USD from main pot

$100.00 USD PL Omaha - Tuesday, November 02, 07:47:51 ET 2010
Table (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Genitruc ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 2: gustoman ( $128.75 USD )
Seat 3: bennythejet ( $99.15 USD )
Seat 4: Retsina ( $143.74 USD )
Seat 5: sarahjaine ( $8.75 USD )
sarahjaine posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Genitruc posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Dealt to Genitruc

gustoman raises [$3.50 USD]
bennythejet folds
Retsina folds
sarahjaine calls [$3.00 USD]
Genitruc calls [$2.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop **

sarahjaine checks
Genitruc bets [$7.87 USD]
gustoman calls [$7.87 USD]
sarahjaine folds
** Dealing Turn **

Genitruc checks
gustoman checks
** Dealing River **

Genitruc bets [$20.00 USD]
gustoman raises [$86.24 USD]
Genitruc calls [$66.24 USD]
gustoman shows

gustoman wins $195.72 USD from main pot

Oh well I'm down to final 4 of a 16$ plo tourney, 1st is 600 so time to get unstuck by flipping.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Genitruc

11-02-2010, 09:32 PM

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boom shipped the PLO had an 8-1 chip lead over 2nd with 3 ppl left, pretty boring but i ll take the cheddar any day.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Alexos

11-03-2010, 02:36 AM

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shipppp it!!!

2nd hand- seems overplayed to me, you're basically hoping he makes a hero call with the Qh, and not many combos of that anyway. I'd understand the shove if we had the Ah and he can have the Kh,Qh,Jh and he's a donk. I'd go for some pot control somewhere or bet small on river depending on the player. This does work vs whales though.

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griffey24

11-03-2010, 02:51 AM

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sweet, how much did you ship?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Z

I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks

Genitruc

11-03-2010, 05:43 AM

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ya villain in 4-flush KK hand was a big ole gas station so i was fist-pumping when he called.

grif i shipped 600 to get nicely unstuck for the day. back at it tomorrow.

oh yeah alex just saw the graph of your last day in october. so sick... fk you?

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

griffey24

11-03-2010, 10:54 AM

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sweeet, getting unstuck is always good!

how many donkaments you playing these days?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Z

I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks

Alexos

11-03-2010, 07:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Genitruc

oh yeah alex just saw the graph of your last day in october. so sick... fk you?

thx man, c ya soon.. hahah

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HarleyGuy13

11-03-2010, 08:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Genitruc

sick detective work daven. i am indeed sporting more of a pooch than normal, although its days are numbered (Crossfit ftw).

That'll do it for sure!

Genitruc

11-03-2010, 08:44 PM

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ok a little drained for some reason today, but just mixed up a deadly coffe-bailey's potion and i m about to fire up a session. hopefully in 4 hours i ll update with some robusto results.

this isn t quite a meaningless post; on many days like this where I've been busy doing other things and feel a bit drained (especially after being really sick for a couple months in the spring) I would typically avoid the tables. however, i m pretty sure just playing a few tables of nl100 and some donkaments is very +ev and I'd like to keep my eye on the prize (plugging away at those longterm goals) so here we go.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

daven

11-03-2010, 11:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Genitruc

ok a little drained for some reason today, but just mixed up a deadly coffe-bailey's potion and i m about to fire up a session.
...
on many days like this where I've been busy doing other things and feel a bit drained (especially after being really sick for a couple months in the spring) I would typically avoid the tables. however, i m pretty sure just playing a few tables of nl100 and some donkaments is very +ev and I'd like to keep my eye on the prize (plugging away at those longterm goals) so here we go.

this is really interesting. Until recently I have playing these sessions for exactly your reasons, this has cost me a bunch of money. This possibly applies less to you as you are playing at stakes where your edge is likely significant enough that your b/c-game is still profitable? anyway, fwiwI am no longer playing my main games when i'm tired/drunk/whatever as there seem to be two costs that could be worth your consideration?

1 - immediate cost, for me these sessions are pretty much $ breakeven at best over a big sample
2 - delayed cost, these sessions often result in me being tired the next day, or second guessing my poker decision-making, or being on some sort of subtle tilt next session induced by losing 5 buyins through bad play during the tired session.

a suggestion = monitor how these sessions run financially, and also how you feel after them -> if they affect your sleep, mindset, etc then this is worth being aware of.
another suggestion = during these sessions do one or all of: play less tables, play nittier ABC than normal, don't run big bluff or hero lines, use a stop-loss, play lower stakes.
another suggestion = consider whether this time could be better spent studying/watching vids/reviewing hand histories/talking poker on skype if this is part of your normal grinder routine

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/

Genitruc

11-04-2010, 12:34 AM

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thx daven, all great suggestions that i have considered time and time again

the solution for me seems to be to just play extra taggy and let the money come my way.

played 2.5 hrs of cash and despite - as usual - a couple annoying hands, managed to make about 160 6-tabling PLO and NL 100.

Today's "annoyance" occured in 2 hands vs the same opponent.

No stats on villain but he appears to be very aggro preflop and has barrelled quite a bit.

Normally I wouldn't float then raise (I'd just raise the flop if i intended to continue) but vs this guy I wanted to let him bluff the turn and have some equity if he flatted a hand like JJ going to the river. Sure I can "never" have a big hand when i flat oop on this board...

$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 03, 10:57:42 ET 2010
Table (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Sk0rpi0 ( $81.97 USD )
Seat 2: Bigdog111 ( $101.80 USD )
Seat 3: Geneharvey ( $82.97 USD )
Seat 4: catweasil ( $118.49 USD )
Seat 5: Genitruc ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 6: tomjack74 ( $88.20 USD )
catweasil posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Genitruc posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Dealt to Genitruc

tomjack74 folds
Sk0rpi0 folds
Bigdog111 raises [$3.50 USD]
Geneharvey folds
catweasil folds
Genitruc calls [$2.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop **

Genitruc checks
Bigdog111 bets [$5.00 USD]
Genitruc calls [$5.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn **

Genitruc checks
Bigdog111 bets [$12.00 USD]
Genitruc raises [$34.00 USD]
Bigdog111 raises [$81.30 USD]
Genitruc folds
Bigdog111 wins $82.50 USD from main pot
Bigdog111 wins $59.30 USD

Sooo I end up looking like a tard.

The fun part is adjusting. I can't have a hand after flatting on a board like that, right?

$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 03, 11:16:54 ET 2010
Table (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: redsub ( $59.52 USD )
Seat 2: 30101973 ( $51.94 USD )
Seat 3: Kloonike ( $140.41 USD )
Seat 4: Bigdog111 ( $115.75 USD )
Seat 5: Genitruc ( $124.55 USD )
Bigdog111 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Genitruc posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Dealt to Genitruc

redsub calls [$1.00 USD]
30101973 folds
Kloonike folds
Bigdog111 raises [$3.50 USD]
Genitruc calls [$3.00 USD]
redsub folds
** Dealing Flop **

Bigdog111 bets [$6.00 USD]
Genitruc calls [$6.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn **

Bigdog111 bets [$15.00 USD]
Genitruc raises [$42.00 USD]
Bigdog111 raises [$90.75 USD]
Genitruc calls [$63.75 USD]
Bigdog111 shows

Genitruc shows

** Dealing River **

Bigdog111 wins $229.50 USD from main pot

sigh. at least the plan worked until he binked the river...

Down about 160 in tourney buyins but still alive in two of them so kind of freerolling on the day. Gogo gadget donkarungood.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

bjsaust

11-04-2010, 01:07 AM

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You don't have any issues mixing PLO with NL and cash with tournies? I've tended to stick to just one format at a time.

Just playing to improve.

WeaselT

11-04-2010, 01:46 AM

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^ +1 on that question

Genitruc

11-04-2010, 02:22 AM

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good question but the answer is that it s not really hard at all

both cash and tourney NL are so automatic at lower levels for me that the menage a trois just results in me paying more attention and enjoying my sessions more because plo decisions are so much more interesting for me

got a bit cock-teased tonight in the tourneys and finished 19th and 17th in a plo rebuy and the 27$ 500 cap, getting it in awesome in plo (AA vs Kxxy) but getting heart broken there and with TT and 11bb s in the 500 cap. oh well still got donka-unstuck and kept my cash profits for the day.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Genitruc

11-04-2010, 08:01 PM

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a couple hours before heading out to a conference and about to start up a session that I'm choosing to play baked. i have plenty of experience playing high and i have a poker buddy here with me this afternoon who will be a witness...

if anything i m usually a little more alert and curious, updates to follow in a couple hours.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

al yell

11-04-2010, 08:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Genitruc

witness...

= active participant

When Push Comes To Shove

Alexos

11-04-2010, 09:29 PM

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i bet there's some good, well-calculated decision making going on........as we speak

Nine to five is how to survive - I ain't trying to survive / I'm trying to live it to the limit and love it a lot //

Can offer RB deals on most sites, PM me.

al yell

11-04-2010, 09:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexos

i bet there's some good, well-calculated decision making going on........as we speak

the decision to bump some Snoop Dog is by far the greatest decision made so far...

When Push Comes To Shove

Genitruc

11-04-2010, 09:57 PM

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fking annoying to bubble the only turbo 180-man i went deep in (was chip leader for a while) in a gross cooler but did fine 8-tabling cash (+250 or so), played really well and the only iffy hand was this one :

$100.00 USD PL Omaha - Thursday, November 04, 08:56:32 ET 2010
Table (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: gustoman ( $141.70 USD )
Seat 2: Genitruc ( $240.46 USD )
Seat 3: StiffmasterStiff ( $99.50 USD )
Seat 4: HellanDPro ( $56.36 USD )
Seat 5: Retsina ( $143.12 USD )
Seat 6: ronden ( $106.40 USD )
HellanDPro posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Retsina posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Dealt to Genitruc

ronden folds
gustoman raises [$3.50 USD]
Genitruc calls [$3.50 USD]
StiffmasterStiff calls [$3.50 USD]
HellanDPro calls [$3.00 USD]
Retsina folds
** Dealing Flop **

HellanDPro checks
gustoman checks
Genitruc checks
StiffmasterStiff checks
** Dealing Turn **

HellanDPro checks
gustoman bets [$11.00 USD]
Genitruc calls [$11.00 USD]
StiffmasterStiff calls [$11.00 USD]
HellanDPro folds
** Dealing River **

gustoman checks
Genitruc bets [$31.00 USD]
StiffmasterStiff folds
gustoman calls [$31.00 USD]
Genitruc shows

gustoman shows

gustoman wins $107.00 USD from main pot

both the turn and the river are very close, the flop is a pretty clear check (although bet-getting it in isn t terrrible but some ppl CR AAA on this flop feeling it s the best way to set-over-set a nit) but oh well, felt pretty sure villain either had a decent flush or the nut blocker on the turn and didn t see how i was getting CR so decided to bet. it s spots like these that make PLO fascinating to me (I'd rarely have to think so deeply about an NL hand without it happening really quickly, almost automatically).

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

bjsaust

11-04-2010, 11:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Genitruc

both cash and tourney NL are so automatic at lower levels for me that the menage a trois just results in me paying more attention and enjoying my sessions more because plo decisions are so much more interesting for me

Are you purely playing the lower NL games from stats, or are you still able to make reads?

Just playing to improve.

Genitruc

11-05-2010, 02:30 AM

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i don t use a hud, i just pick up pretty automatically on things by checking all of the big pots and learning from each pot i play with ppl, compulsive note-taking and i have really good recall naturally

playing (and railing) a zillion hands online also helps with unconscious timing tells that i don t put into practice knowingly but that nonetheless help to inform my decisions

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Genitruc

11-05-2010, 03:19 AM

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late-night donkament time

just got it in w dbl suited aces in the 33$ plo

sigh

i ll prob put in maybe 125-150$ of buyins, let s bink some shit one time

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Genitruc

11-05-2010, 04:15 AM

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getting sucked out on left and right but playing good so wtv. just dropped out of another PLO rebuy when top and bottom + NFD + back door FD went down in flames then somehow failed to pay out of the 23$ hyperturbo (usually i m boomswitched for that thing)

PokerStars Game #52194616503: Tournament #326542858, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2010/11/05 0:10:28 ET
Table '326542858 28' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: zgsh69 (7210 in chips)
Seat 2: Genitruc (9990 in chips)
Seat 3: LuarPT (4680 in chips)
Seat 4: nubywood (21154 in chips)
Seat 5: VAlisaV (6145 in chips)
Seat 6: inestess (20571 in chips)
zgsh69: posts the ante 50
Genitruc: posts the ante 50
LuarPT: posts the ante 50
nubywood: posts the ante 50
VAlisaV: posts the ante 50
inestess: posts the ante 50
LuarPT: posts small blind 200
nubywood: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Genitruc

VAlisaV: folds
inestess: folds
zgsh69: folds
zgsh69 is sitting out
zgsh69 has returned
Genitruc: raises 500 to 900
LuarPT: folds
nubywood: calls 500
*** FLOP ***

nubywood: checks
Genitruc: bets 1144
nubywood: raises 19060 to 20204 and is all-in
Genitruc: calls 7896 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (11164) returned to nubywood
*** TURN ***

*** RIVER ***

*** SHOW DOWN ***
nubywood: shows

(high card Ace)
Genitruc: shows

(a pair of Kings)
Genitruc collected 20380 from pot

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Genitruc

11-05-2010, 06:08 AM

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gah played really well and just got cock-teased again was 3rd in some 9$ turbo with a zillion ppl in it and went out vs the 2nd place guy just after payout AQ vs AA on AQ7fd board

then was chip leader with 27 left the big antes deep tourney only to lose 99 vs AK vs the 3rd place guy (would have had maybe 3-1 chip lead on 2nd) then lost JQ vs A5 on J66 then lost AK vs AJ for my last 30 bb's

then two mincashes mean I only dropped 100 or so on donkaments in the late-night session which could have been huge.

while i played out the final two tourneys i played some 6 max cash at nl100.

am i too spewy in general? you tell me :

1) villain was 3-betting super wide in LP, not much to say:

***** Hand History for Game 1507075978 ***** (PKR)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 05, 05:10:08 ET 2010
Table (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: sukifukisuki ( $102.30 USD )
Seat 2: Kloonike ( $98.50 USD )
Seat 3: jandro11 ( $92.50 USD )
Seat 5: zzDMzz ( $112.40 USD )
Seat 6: Genitruc ( $107.50 USD )
sukifukisuki posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Kloonike posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Dealt to Genitruc

jandro11 folds
zzDMzz folds
Genitruc raises [$3.00 USD]
sukifukisuki raises [$9.50 USD]
Kloonike folds
Genitruc raises [$104.50 USD]
sukifukisuki calls [$92.30 USD]
Genitruc wins $5.20 USD
sukifukisuki shows

Genitruc shows

** Dealing Flop **

** Dealing Turn **

** Dealing River **

sukifukisuki wins $202.60 USD from main pot

2) villain was calling ATC in pos. in hindsight check-call might have been a little more +ev and I actually think the best line would have been bet-call vs an aggro tagg but bet-check vs this particular guy (expecting him to float a bunch and bet some turns)

***** Hand History for Game 1507083949 ***** (PKR)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 05, 05:43:55 ET 2010
Table (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: BlackMamba010 ( $52.65 USD )
Seat 2: Jozef ( $147.92 USD )
Seat 4: sukifukisuki ( $141.35 USD )
Seat 5: Genitruc ( $100.50 USD )
Seat 6: jandro11 ( $104.48 USD )
Genitruc posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
jandro11 posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Dealt to Genitruc

BlackMamba010 folds
Jozef raises [$3.00 USD]
sukifukisuki folds
Genitruc raises [$10.50 USD]
jandro11 folds
Jozef calls [$8.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop **

Genitruc checks
Jozef bets [$17.25 USD]
Genitruc raises [$89.50 USD]
Jozef calls [$72.25 USD]
Jozef shows

Genitruc shows

** Dealing Turn **

** Dealing River **

Jozef wins $199.00 USD from main pot

3) nothign to say really:

***** Hand History for Game 1507076049 ***** (PKR)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 05, 05:10:28 ET 2010
Table (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: jandro11 ( $99.50 USD )
Seat 3: DikesMyson ( $113.10 USD )
Seat 4: Kloonike ( $198.95 USD )
Seat 5: Jozef ( $143.35 USD )
Seat 6: Genitruc ( $100.00 USD )
Kloonike posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Jozef posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Dealt to Genitruc

Genitruc raises [$4.00 USD]
jandro11 calls [$4.00 USD]
DikesMyson folds
Kloonike folds
Jozef raises [$19.00 USD]
Genitruc raises [$96.00 USD]
jandro11 folds
Jozef calls [$80.00 USD]
Jozef shows

Genitruc shows

** Dealing Flop **

** Dealing Turn **

** Dealing River **

Jozef wins $201.50 USD from main pot

4) this is a clear call for me vs a late-night fish for so many reasons. if it isn t clear i ll lay them out (i can think of at least 3 big reasons to bet-call):

***** Hand History for Game 1507072171 ***** (PKR)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 05, 04:54:52 ET 2010
Table (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 4: MYREALFACE ( $42.40 USD )
Seat 5: zzDMzz ( $100.25 USD )
Seat 6: Genitruc ( $106.20 USD )
MYREALFACE posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
zzDMzz posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Dealt to Genitruc

Genitruc raises [$3.00 USD]
MYREALFACE calls [$2.50 USD]
zzDMzz folds
** Dealing Flop **

MYREALFACE checks
Genitruc bets [$5.00 USD]
MYREALFACE raises [$22.00 USD]
Genitruc raises [$98.20 USD]
MYREALFACE calls [$17.40 USD]
Genitruc wins $63.80 USD
MYREALFACE shows

Genitruc shows

** Dealing Turn **

** Dealing River **

MYREALFACE wins $84.80 USD from main pot

5) marginal but obviously never terrible :

***** Hand History for Game 1507083469 ***** (PKR)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 05, 05:41:45 ET 2010
Table (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: BlackMamba010 ( $27.20 USD )
Seat 2: Jozef ( $149.42 USD )
Seat 4: sukifukisuki ( $141.35 USD )
Seat 5: Genitruc ( $104.15 USD )
Seat 6: jandro11 ( $104.48 USD )
BlackMamba010 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Jozef posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Dealt to Genitruc

sukifukisuki folds
Genitruc raises [$3.00 USD]
jandro11 folds
BlackMamba010 calls [$2.50 USD]
Jozef folds
** Dealing Flop **

BlackMamba010 checks
Genitruc bets [$5.00 USD]
BlackMamba010 calls [$5.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn **

BlackMamba010 checks
Genitruc bets [$96.15 USD]
BlackMamba010 calls [$19.20 USD]
Genitruc wins $76.95 USD
BlackMamba010 shows

Genitruc shows

** Dealing River **

BlackMamba010 wins $52.65 USD from main pot

6) the reason shoving small pairs is so much fun:

***** Hand History for Game 1507080467 ***** (PKR)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 05, 05:29:04 ET 2010
Table (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: JIVR31 ( $49.60 USD )
Seat 4: Genitruc ( $224.55 USD )
Seat 6: zzDMzz ( $100.00 USD )
zzDMzz posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
JIVR31 posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Dealt to Genitruc

Genitruc raises [$3.00 USD]
zzDMzz raises [$9.50 USD]
JIVR31 folds
Genitruc raises [$221.55 USD]
zzDMzz calls [$90.00 USD]
Genitruc wins $124.55 USD
Genitruc shows

zzDMzz shows

** Dealing Flop **

** Dealing Turn **

** Dealing River **

Genitruc wins $200.00 USD from main pot

7) just lol about this one:

***** Hand History for Game 1507082152 ***** (PKR)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 05, 05:36:29 ET 2010
Table (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: sukifukisuki ( $211.65 USD )
Seat 2: christhefish ( $143.11 USD )
Seat 3: jandro11 ( $125.30 USD )
Seat 4: Genitruc ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 5: pkrstar82 ( $275.03 USD )
Seat 6: Jozef ( $87.00 USD )
jandro11 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Genitruc posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Dealt to Genitruc

pkrstar82 raises [$3.00 USD]
Jozef folds
sukifukisuki folds
christhefish folds
jandro11 folds
Genitruc raises [$10.00 USD]
pkrstar82 calls [$8.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop **

Genitruc bets [$13.00 USD]
pkrstar82 raises [$26.00 USD]
Genitruc raises [$76.00 USD]
pkrstar82 calls [$63.00 USD]
Genitruc shows

pkrstar82 shows

** Dealing Turn **

** Dealing River **

Genitruc wins $197.50 USD from main pot

anways, didn t win any flips but broke even in 350 quick hands or so. was actually kind of fun besides the brutal donka-cocktease.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

griffey24

11-05-2010, 11:09 AM

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The KQdd hand I'd probably just check back the turn pretty often vs a shorty, I don't think we have much fold equity and might as well hit our hand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Z

I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks

bjsaust

11-05-2010, 11:27 AM

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Yeah, my thought was that shorties tend to call wider.

I wonder if you have thoughts about whether you dont use a HUD because of your natural ability to pay attention and get reads, or if you think not using a HUD has helped develop that ability?

Just playing to improve.

Genitruc

11-05-2010, 03:58 PM

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after HUDs became popular i was destroying 1-2 and 2-4 on party without one and kind of developed the superstition that i played better that way

not sure about the "natural ability" but i m naturally incredibly spewy (when i first started playing i didn t need much reason to felt any hand) so i have just learned over time which spots aren t terrific to get the money in and remained very aggressive in most other spots. certain preflop reads, timing tells and betsizing tells have become warning bells to me; when they don t go off, i usually feel comfortable being my normal spewy self

ya the KQ hand is marginal and probably slightly bad but he can def find a fold with any PP that stubbornly called flop and we have 30%ish vs his pair + SD hands like 56 that are prob cry-calling the turn

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Genitruc

11-05-2010, 04:11 PM

#47 (permalink)

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started today s grind relatively early (up for it around 10 am after a late night last night), playing a few donkaments and running meh. i had planned to mix cash with donkaments but not so sure right now; after being on my A game all week i find myself feeling pretty lethargic today. still alive in 3 donkaments so maybe i ll play some cash to pass the time?

friend is spending his last day in town so that takes precedence over the grind for sure

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Genitruc

11-05-2010, 04:38 PM

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seriously. just lol@donkaments. when you don t see this kind of stuff in cash games you forget it s out there :

PokerStars Game #52213748556: Tournament #326542033, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (30/60) - 2010/11/05 12:35:18 ET
Table '326542033 20' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: trubble74 (3979 in chips)
Seat 2: 1wayman (7451 in chips)
Seat 3: jager1987 (1982 in chips)
Seat 4: sbbrian (2476 in chips)
Seat 5: jeaglephant (7080 in chips)
Seat 6: Genitruc (2813 in chips)
Seat 7: CMmoley (2590 in chips)
Seat 8: FISHFINDER64 (2845 in chips)
Seat 9: Serge71 (3087 in chips)
trubble74: posts the ante 12
1wayman: posts the ante 12
jager1987: posts the ante 12
sbbrian: posts the ante 12
jeaglephant: posts the ante 12
Genitruc: posts the ante 12
CMmoley: posts the ante 12
FISHFINDER64: posts the ante 12
Serge71: posts the ante 12
Genitruc: posts small blind 30
CMmoley: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Genitruc

FISHFINDER64: raises 120 to 180
Serge71: folds
trubble74: calls 180
1wayman: folds
jager1987: folds
sbbrian: calls 180
jeaglephant: folds
Genitruc: raises 2621 to 2801 and is all-in
CMmoley: folds
FISHFINDER64: folds
trubble74: folds
sbbrian: calls 2284 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (337) returned to Genitruc
CMmoley is disconnected

*** FLOP ***

*** TURN ***

*** RIVER ***

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Genitruc: shows

(two pair, Kings and Threes)
sbbrian: shows

(a flush, Ace high)
sbbrian collected 5456 from pot

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Genitruc

11-05-2010, 04:50 PM

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Posts: 4,463

wow

PokerStars Game #52214113896: Tournament #326542033, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (40/80) - 2010/11/05 12:43:45 ET
Table '326542033 20' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: trubble74 (3431 in chips)
Seat 2: 1wayman (7243 in chips)
Seat 3: jager1987 (1289 in chips)
Seat 4: sbbrian (4927 in chips)
Seat 5: jeaglephant (8656 in chips)
Seat 6: Genitruc (261 in chips)
Seat 7: CMmoley (2412 in chips)
Seat 8: Bulu95 (7879 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: Serge71 (3623 in chips)
trubble74: posts the ante 16
1wayman: posts the ante 16
jager1987: posts the ante 16
sbbrian: posts the ante 16
jeaglephant: posts the ante 16
Genitruc: posts the ante 16
CMmoley: posts the ante 16
Bulu95: posts the ante 16
Serge71: posts the ante 16
jager1987: posts small blind 40
sbbrian: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Genitruc

jeaglephant: folds
Genitruc: raises 165 to 245 and is all-in
CMmoley: folds
Bulu95: folds
Serge71: calls 245
trubble74: calls 245
1wayman: folds
jager1987 is disconnected
jager1987 is connected
jager1987: folds
sbbrian: calls 165
*** FLOP ***

sbbrian: checks
Serge71: checks
trubble74: bets 99
sbbrian: calls 99
Serge71: calls 99
*** TURN ***

sbbrian: checks
Serge71: checks
trubble74: checks
*** RIVER ***

sbbrian: checks
Serge71: bets 400
trubble74: folds
sbbrian: folds
Uncalled bet (400) returned to Serge71
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Serge71: shows

(a pair of Sevens)
Serge71 collected 297 from side pot
Genitruc: shows

(a pair of Sevens - Ace kicker)
Genitruc collected 1164 from main pot

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Genitruc

11-05-2010, 06:45 PM

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still playing same donkament session, final table of plo 33$ (not many entrants, 800 for 1st) and deep in a 33$ on another site

gogogo boomswitch

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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