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  1. #151
    Laser Eye Surgery

    Have had a few people ask me about laser eye surgery, including 'roid who just asked, so maybe I'll talk about it briefly.

    I guess an important background is that my prescription wasn't too bad. I was like -1.5 and -2.5. I wasn't blind or anything. I could survive without glasses in general, though definitely not drive or read very much.

    The surgery ended up costing around $4.5k total for both eyes, and lifetime guarantee. There are many reasons why it was this expensive. The technology has come to the point where "laser eye" surgery can mean so many things and that's why the price varies so much.

    The old way of doing LASIK or laser eye surgery (that some places still do), is using a blade to cut a flap in your eye, and then opening the flap and using a laser for the surgery. This is often the mega cheap "$500 an eye" method you still hear about.

    Bladeless LASIK - In this procedure they use a laser to both cut the flap in your eye and to do the procedure itself.

    LASIK Intralase - Intralase is just the name of the femtosecond laser that some places can use to cut the flap. Higher frequency laser, more precise cut, faster healing etc. I'm sure these things are all true, but also allow them to up the price.

    Wave-guided LASIK Intralase - This is the one I got. The wave-guided is the newest feature of these surgeries. They take a 3D map of your eye, and can perform the surgery to every fine detail that your eye would warrant. The main complain post-laser eye surgery used to be night vision and glare while driving. The wave-guided feature allows them to take measures to minimize the potential for those side effects. This method also includes the bladeless, and Intralase laser as mentioned above.

    PRK - there's also a surgery called PRK that involves removal of an entire layer of your cornea instead of a flap. This is for people who's cornea's are generally too thin to do a flap. The recovery is a lot slower with this method, but some ppl might not have a choice.

    The surgery was SUPER fast. Probably like 7-10 mins tops. Went under one laser and felt some warmth and could smell a bit of burning as they were cutting the flap. They peel the flap open and your vision goes blurry. They roll you over to another laser and they do the correction and it feels warm again. Then they roll you back and slide the flap back down and it feels pretty cool because as they smooth your flap down your vision restores, and its almost like they are smoothing vision over your eye.

    Then they repeat for the next eye, which kinda sucks cause you know eveything that needs to happen and then you're done. Vision almost right away. There's no pain until the drops and stuff wear off and then it hurts a bit (like soap in your eye feeling) for an hour or two. You go home, take a nap, wake up and the pain is gone and you have vision! It's really as quick as that. I'd imagine the pain may last somewhat longer for worse prescriptions.

    I'm about 6 months later now. My vision is 20/20 and sometimes even 20/15. Though I do feel a bit more strain in front of the computer, and take drops a few times a day. I don't often feel the need to take them but my optometrist tells me to do so. Overall, very happy and free of the hassle of contacts and glasses! It's also nice for sports too. I'd recommend it for sure.

    /laser eye rant
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  2. #152
    Talking about eyes, I should get mine looked at. My eyes have always been 20/20 or better depending on the test and tester. I always had to have eye tests done to the extreme since I used to work in the colour matching/ink industry so I also had a ton of tests done on the cones and rods too, but I digress. My eyes are getting much worse, to the point of blurring at varying levels for no reason. It also seems to effect my focus because my memory has gone along with the fact that I don't focus on what I see as often. I wonder how much the eyes effect things like memory recall or even focus in general?

    I'm going to try that program and maybe lok into the glasses as well if it doesn't seem to help and the reviews are favorable.
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    Wow griffey, thanks for the awesome write-up on this. I really appreciate it, and I'll definitely be looking into getting it done in the next year or two. Had no idea the surgery was that fast. :O
  4. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    Talking about eyes, I should get mine looked at. My eyes have always been 20/20 or better depending on the test and tester. I always had to have eye tests done to the extreme since I used to work in the colour matching/ink industry so I also had a ton of tests done on the cones and rods too, but I digress. My eyes are getting much worse, to the point of blurring at varying levels for no reason. It also seems to effect my focus because my memory has gone along with the fact that I don't focus on what I see as often. I wonder how much the eyes effect things like memory recall or even focus in general?

    I'm going to try that program and maybe lok into the glasses as well if it doesn't seem to help and the reviews are favorable.
    I downloaded the program last night. After I test "shut it off" and my screen was so bright comparatively... you don't really notice how bright!



    Quote Originally Posted by Roid_Rage View Post
    Wow griffey, thanks for the awesome write-up on this. I really appreciate it, and I'll definitely be looking into getting it done in the next year or two. Had no idea the surgery was that fast. :O
    No problem. Yah you should definitely do it. I'd imagine prices will come down or technology get better in a year or two anyhow.
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  5. #155
    I also had LASIK done about 6 years ago. Everything Griffey said, is exactly the experience I had. By the time I got home, took a nap, and woke up, the discomfort in my eyes was completely gone. When I went back the following day for my checkup, they said my vision was 20/15.

    I think I paid only $1600 total with taxes and one year of insurance. The technology is probably better now than it was 6 years ago, but the surgery still took only about 30 seconds an eye.

    I have had no major problems other than the normal complaint that my night vision isn't that good. I do remember for the first few months after that my eyes felt dry, but now I can grind poker all day and feel no discomfort in my eyes.

    I definitely recommend getting LASIK
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    I had LASIK done as well, but my experience was incredibly painful. That is to say I was semi-freaking out during the actual procedure (I should note that I'm a huge wimp and had problems putting and taking out contact lenses - I have some phobia with stuff touching my eyes). Then I had a lot of trouble falling asleep because I found the pain to be really bad (It felt like my eyeballs were on fire)....but then the next day comes and it really is like magic and my vision has been great ever since. Mine also came out to about 4k with lifetime adjustments/guarantee.
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  7. #157
    Yeah I would say I was somewhere in between Rav and Griff for pain. It wasn't incredibly painful, but it was really uncomfortable. And yeah it's like magic when you wake up, the pain is completely gone.
  8. #158
    I had an eye phobia as well, eye touching phobia that is, until two yrs ago I sucked it up and started wearing contacts. Rarely wore them though cuase they would bother me after like 4-5 hours, so I was bringing my glasses everywhere anyhow.

    That's crazy you had a quasi freakout though. During the actual procedure or before or what? I remember the first eye I was fine, but after knowing what was coming, the second eye I noticed my heart rate go up and started getting warmer and hands sweating and stuff.
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    Man, I was mad tense the entire time. My whole body was flexed and the nurses kept saying 'calm down you're gonna be fine!'. Did you take any valium beforehand? I remember they gave me one valium and since i'm a relatively big guy I immediately thought 'this isn't going to do anything' and it just put me more on edge. When they put the clamps on my eyes I was at an all-time freakout point. It felt too much like the scene from Clockwork Orange when they're forcing him to watch rapes/nazi stuff.
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  10. #160
    Calling 3bets, calling flops, shoving turns

    Was talking to ravageur a bit yesterday about the idea of calling flops in 3bet pots with draws and then jamming turns. Thought I'd do some math to figure this out.


    100bb effective
    Hero opens to 2.5bbs
    Villain 3bets to 8.5bbs
    Hero calls


    board: (pot ~18bbs)

    Villain cbet 11bbs
    Hero calls

    board: (pot ~ 40bbs)

    Villain double barrels 23bbs
    Hero jams

    Hero's jamming range: JcTc, QcTc, QcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, 9cTc
    Villains calling range: AK, KQ, KJ, AA, KK, AcQc, AcJc, 7c9c

    I don't have stove here at work, I'm going to assume we have around 20% equity when called. Can someone stove this? It's actually probably a little bit worse than this, though not quite as bad if he might b/c TT or something.

    EV when fold to turn double = -19.5bbs
    EV when shove turn and villain folds (where X is fold %) = 20.5bbs*X%
    EV when shove turn and villain calls (where 1-x is call %) = 100bbs*(1-x)*.2-100bbs*(1-x)*.8
    =-60bbs*(1-x)
    =-60bbs+60x

    Breakeven:

    20.5bbs*X - 60bbs + 60x = -19.5bbs
    80.5bbs*X = 40.5bbs
    X% = 50.3%

    Need him to fold 50.3% of the time after he double barrels.


    We can compare villain's turn bet/calling range to different overall 3betting ranges, to see if this fold % is reasonable or not or how aggro preflop and doubles they have to be for this.

    I'll need stove to do that, but I'll try to do that at home. My initial instinct is that 50.3% is pretty high.
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  11. #161
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    Pretty cool post!

    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

    11,176 games 0.002 secs 5,588,000 games/sec

    Board: Kd 4c 8c 2s
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 20.830% 20.83% 00.00% 2328 0.00 { AcTc, Ac9c, QcJc, QcTc, JcTc, Tc9c }
    Hand 1: 79.170% 79.17% 00.00% 8848 0.00 { KK+, AKs, AcQc, AcJc, KJs+, 9c7c, AKo, KJo+ }


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  12. #162
    Thanks Kmind, do you mind checking what percentage of a total range this range makes up:

    AK, KQ, KJ, AA, KK, AcQc, AcJc, 7c9c

    ie: if this is like 4% of all hands, or what?
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    No problem. It's 4.8% of hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmind View Post
    No problem. It's 4.8% of hands.
    Sweet thanks! Ok so we can conclude that if a player is 3betting us about 12%, and double barelling 80% of his range on that board, then that is the breakeven point for making that shove.

    (12% range, 80% double barrel = 9.6% of his range is doubling. If he's bet/calling with 4.8% of this range, 4.8/9.6 = 50% call and fold %)

    If he is 3betting more and doubling the same, or 3betting the same but doubling more, it will be a profitable shove.
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    That's a pretty sick post, griff. I'm itching to do some more calcs. myself. Appreciate it!
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    good post...50 does seem a bit high, but this is also a spot where metagame is definitely in play and i think some regs are definitely going to be double barreling K high boards a super high % in rr pots so it is still optimal to float flop/shove turn instead of raise/calling flop
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  17. #167
    I think it's much better when flop is like Txx or lower, since there's a better chance of a higher card on turn which makes his dbl barrel % closer to 100.

    Which is I guess is a double edged sword since that higher card will also improve his equity, but I don't think people dbl barrel bluff Kxx on a deuce turn very often, do they?
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  18. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos View Post
    I think it's much better when flop is like Txx or lower, since there's a better chance of a higher card on turn which makes his dbl barrel % closer to 100.

    Which is I guess is a double edged sword since that higher card will also improve his equity, but I don't think people dbl barrel bluff Kxx on a deuce turn very often, do they?

    Ok sure, but on a Txx two tone board. I'd imagine we're all much happier just raise-getting it in with like QJ+FD or something like that?

    I don't mind the idea of calling Txx and shoving Q or K turns, but I think his b/c range on an A turn is probably pretty wide.
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  19. #169
    Thanks for the eye write up griff. It's something I've also been looking into for the past couple years. I'm at like 20/130 in one eye and 20/150 in the other now, contacts and glasses all day, errday. Sounds like an awesome choice for a sports freak like me.
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
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    Yeah the Tx boards i'm just raise getting it in happily...griffey's theorum thing was for flops where we'd be getting it in with like 20-35% equity.
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  21. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by Donachello View Post
    Thanks for the eye write up griff. It's something I've also been looking into for the past couple years. I'm at like 20/130 in one eye and 20/150 in the other now, contacts and glasses all day, errday. Sounds like an awesome choice for a sports freak like me.
    No problem. Man thinking of 20/130 sounds crazy, but I guess I'm not really sure what I was when I had glasses. Does 20/130 = -130 when they give you prescription?

    If you have the cash for it you should definitely do it. My line of thinking was more like, if I know I'm gonna do it at some point, I might as well do it now and not wait!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  22. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    No problem. Man thinking of 20/130 sounds crazy, but I guess I'm not really sure what I was when I had glasses. Does 20/130 = -130 when they give you prescription?

    If you have the cash for it you should definitely do it. My line of thinking was more like, if I know I'm gonna do it at some point, I might as well do it now and not wait!
    I'm not totally sure. I think that it means at 20 feet I can see as clearly as people can see at 130 feet with 20/20. Not totally sure though. All I know is I am pretty lolblind without glasses or contacts outside of a like 3 foot radius.
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

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  23. #173
    Guannars Glasses

    This is just a prelmin evaluation. They just arrived in the mail last night, and I haven't played a session yet, which really will be the big test.

    First impression, is hard to say. I installed that software wingster recommended, so I wonder if I'm already started at a more comfortable state than I would have been a week ago.

    Makes everything a yellow tint, which I'm sure also makes it a little easier on the eyes. There's some magnification of the screen, and it also seems to improve resolution.

    Will grind this weekend!
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    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  24. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Ravageur View Post
    Yeah the Tx boards i'm just raise getting it in happily...griffey's theorum thing was for flops where we'd be getting it in with like 20-35% equity.
    But I'm saying why do u need to get it in on flop on Txx boards if they have a high barrel and wide 3b range? It's the same concept and we'd be getting a lot of folds on turns. The only times we lose is vs his overcard hands that actually hit, and those have only 4 outs! Plus if it comes a club overcard we actually we to stack him often.

    I think I prefer doing this on low boards than Kxx boards and it's not close actually.
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  25. #175
    I'm not sure on the correlation, but ever since I got those glasses I've been playing very well!

    I've certainly been focusing more, which is hard to tell if its due to the glasses or simply due to me trying to focus. Either way, its going decently so far. Running in EV death, but that's alright.

    My red line is back to its usual mega upswing ways this month. I'm starting to think that its VERY correlated with my blind stealing, but I'll keep an eye on it to see if that's actually the case.

    Up around $3.8k for the month, EV at around $7.8k but I was due. Also starting to mix in more 3/6 games, so I should be experiencing a bit more variance coming up!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  26. #176
    First pretty tilting session of the month. I've been running under EV all month, but this one was solid down 4.7k and EV at down 3k.

    Most of the hands I don't mind, but a couple were weird. I value towned myself in a few spots.

    1) Hands vs same villain.

    This was the first hand vs this villain, and after I had already c/r a flop vs him. Felt like he would peel me light here.

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($916.70)
    CO ($390)
    BTN ($457.80)
    SB ($442.70)
    griffey24 (BB) ($401)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) griffey24 is BB
    2 folds, BTN raises to $8, 1 fold, griffey24 calls $4

    Flop: ($18, 2 players)
    griffey24 checks, BTN bets $14, griffey24 raises to $35, BTN calls $21

    Turn: ($88, 2 players)
    griffey24 checks, BTN bets $66, griffey24 calls $66

    River: ($220, 2 players)
    griffey24 checks, BTN bets $348.80, griffey24 calls $292

    Final Pot: $860.80
    BTN shows


    BTN wins $857.80 (net +$400.00)

    griffey24 lost $401


    Second hand vs same villain a little later.

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($433.10)
    CO ($302)
    BTN ($638.40)
    SB ($165.30)
    griffey24 (BB) ($388)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) griffey24 is BB
    2 folds, BTN raises to $8, 1 fold, griffey24 calls $4

    Flop: ($18, 2 players)
    griffey24 checks, BTN bets $14, griffey24 raises to $40, BTN raises to $114, griffey24 goes all-in $380, BTN calls $266

    Turn: ($778, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($778, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $778
    griffey24 shows

    BTN shows


    BTN wins $775 (net +$387)

    griffey24 lost $388
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  27. #177
    TILTED.

    back to back days tilting. Need to get it under wraps, its getting expensive. Getting called a ton lately in bizarre spots with such light hands... without any dynamic. (edit: this sounds good.. but not good when not hitting anything and bluffing too much :P)

    I really hate that when I'm winning I play SOOO much significantly better than when I'm losing. When I'm losing, I station SOOO many more hands.. and I press the issue trying to win too many pots (ie: bluffing too much). Its actually ridiculous.

    Pissed at myself and the idiocy of the last two days. Down $8k since yesterday.

    At least $2.5k of stupidity, and the rest mostly unavoidable.

    Need to figure out a way to make the same folds that I'd make while winning, also while losing. If anyone has thoughts, let me know.

    /annoying rant
    Last edited by griffey24; 03-16-2011 at 10:59 PM.
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    Gross, and yeah I feel you here. I don't think there's any one answer to this problem either than make sure you keep your breathing calm and consistent and take an extra couple seconds for every decision (hard on ongame when software is so damn fast). For me at least, I just need to get rid of that feeling of 'impatience' to win and let the good spots come to me and that lets me get away from the bad spots. So many times when I'm winning I'll have no trouble folding big hands when a bad river hits but when I'm losing I'm so anxious to 'make something happen' that I think if I fold this hand I won't get another chance to get unstuck for a while so I have to go with it.

    I hope it turns around for you, even though for my own interests a downswing could mean I finally get my chance at griffback since I'm stuck in the 1/2 games for the foreseeable future :P . Come on down, I have a seat waiting for you!!!
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    Keep your head up and try not to let it phase you as much as possible.

    I'm still a microbonk, but one thing I always do is have a glass of ice water or a bottle of water next to me and whenever I start feeling even a little frustrated I take a swig, take a deep breath, and then change whatever song is currently playing in the background.

    Usually that small pause takes my mind off whatever it was that just happened and I can resume focusing and hopefully playing smarter.
  30. #180
    Thanks for the thoughts/advice guys!

    I think the biggest problem with the last few sessions is every huge hand losing at showdown. Like.. literally every hand and every showdown.. regardless if it was all-in, or I played a big hand more passively due to 'monsters in the closet'

    Was playing some hands really stupid even, like raising pre and c/c down AA on 578ss Qx board, and betting AJcc on 48KccQQc board and c/c river and c/c in lots of spots I would always b/f, and still losing haha.

    The problem with losing every hand at showdown, is that you feel you need to start winning hands at non-showdown if you wanna win anything. Which obviously leads to more bluffing, cause you wanna win some big hands at some point.

    Need the patience to ride out an 5-10k hand stretch where you're getting effed at every point, every showdown, but not get impatient and try to combat that with winning all these pots at non-showdown.

    Need to play under the assumption that these 5-10 downswing streaks WILL/MUST happen in poker, and just tell yourself that this is your token 5-10 buying downswing... just wait it out and not turn it into a 15-20 buyin downswing which I did.

    It's like winter really. We know winter is going to come, and it has to come really. Sometimes its worse or better than others, but its always there. It's not like we fight it by breaking out the blow torches to melt the snow. It's not like we go into denial about it by wearing summer clothes anyway. We just ride it out and hope its short and painfree. Summer WILL come too, they are both inevitable. Just gotta make the most of the summer!

    dumb analogy? maybe haha
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    Analogy fits
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    I don't get this "Run bad at showdown thing so must win non-showdown pots"? I don't even understand how you guys come up with these things lol. Just play solid every hand, and quit when you don't? Play less during downswings, play more during upswings. Less in winter more in summer.

    If you do that downswings will affect you less since you play less, and they can prob always be proven by just looking at EV and feeling good for having a reason for your runbad. In the end, it's always about getting better at quitting, if we can save ourselves from losing those couple extra buyins from tilt/spew at the end of sessions, our downswings would be so much shorter.
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  33. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos View Post
    I don't get this "Run bad at showdown thing so must win non-showdown pots"? I don't even understand how you guys come up with these things lol. Just play solid every hand, and quit when you don't? Play less during downswings, play more during upswings. Less in winter more in summer.
    I just mean you haev those sessions where ever hand you barrel and get called down, they barrel you call down... they shove you call... no matter what happens, you get to showdown and lose. none of your hands are ever good during these streaks.

    You start realizing that you can't win with legit hands, so you feel like you need to start making plays to win hands without showdown, just to win hands. So you start bluffing more to take down pots. makes sense no?
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    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  34. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    I just mean you haev those sessions where ever hand you barrel and get called down, they barrel you call down... they shove you call... no matter what happens, you get to showdown and lose. none of your hands are ever good during these streaks.

    You start realizing that you can't win with legit hands, so you feel like you need to start making plays to win hands without showdown, just to win hands. So you start bluffing more to take down pots. makes sense no?
    No.

    You're clearly spewing, it's very rare that I barrel and my hands are just never good because I try to tighten up when I'm running bad, and because I just don't barrel air all the time in the first place!
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  35. #185
    Had a crazy grind today. Played about 5k hands today, and was mostly up and down but good to get in a good grind. Ended up about $1k on the day with the last 900 or so hands having a lot of fish playing.

    Was up about $1k a couple days before that too, so a slow grind back from my -$8k downswing. Hopefully make another solid recovery tomorrow.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  36. #186
    Today was pretty lame. Down like $2.6k with EV death, which runs the month to about $7k under EV.

    Last couple a days I resorted back to some old trends. Namely, 3betting a more balanced range (which is bad for me), since I get tempted into 5bet jamming light a lot more. I need to go back to 3bet/4betting more polarized ranges so i'm less tempted to jam/peel/call light etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  37. #187
    Trying to keep the spirits up, but this month has been pretty lol-wow so far. Most of the month has been EV death, but today was some solid river death going down. Maybe some of these rivers are folds.. not sure.

    Hand 1
    -villain was playing mostly solid but pretty loose
    -my image was somewhat aggro loose
    -this river is pretty bad. c/c river may be better than shove, not sure

    $3/$6 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    griffey24 (UTG) ($595)
    CO ($1,043.95)
    BTN ($633.60)
    SB ($582)
    BB ($468.15)

    Pre-Flop: ($9, 5 players) griffey24 is UTG
    griffey24 raises to $18, 1 fold, BTN calls $18, 2 folds

    Flop: ($45, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $30, BTN calls $30

    Turn: ($105, 2 players)
    griffey24 checks, BTN bets $70, griffey24 raises to $235, BTN calls $165

    River: ($575, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $312, BTN calls $312

    Final Pot: $1,199
    griffey24 shows

    BTN shows


    BTN wins $1,196 (net +$601)

    griffey24 lost $595


    Hand 2
    -villain in this hand is a reg but a pretty big station
    -I'm pretty confident he's the type that either 3bets flop wtih QQ+ or jams turn with them, but is also the type that will call down Tx, Jx hands
    -river sucks, but don't mind the shove given above

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($471)
    CO ($850)
    BTN ($662.80)
    SB ($768.80)
    griffey24 (BB) ($413.80)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) griffey24 is BB
    2 folds, BTN raises to $8, 1 fold, griffey24 calls $4

    Flop: ($18, 2 players)
    griffey24 checks, BTN bets $12, griffey24 raises to $36, BTN calls $24

    Turn: ($90, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $90, BTN calls $90

    River: ($270, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $279.80, BTN calls $279.80

    Final Pot: $829.60
    griffey24 shows

    BTN shows


    BTN wins $826.60 (net +$412.80)

    griffey24 lost $413.80


    Hand 3
    -villain who cold calls my raise on turn is a mega whale fish... maybe this river is a fold? I'm not even sure

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    4 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    CO ($349)
    griffey24 (BTN) ($537.50)
    SB ($320.30)
    BB ($482.80)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 4 players) griffey24 is BTN
    1 fold, griffey24 raises to $8, SB calls $6, BB calls $4

    Flop: ($24, 3 players)
    SB checks, BB bets $20, griffey24 calls $20, SB calls $20

    Turn: ($84, 3 players)
    SB checks, BB bets $70, griffey24 raises to $175, SB calls $175, BB folds

    River: ($504, 2 players)
    SB bets $117.30, griffey24 calls $117.30

    Final Pot: $738.60
    SB shows


    SB wins $736.60 (net +$416.30)

    BB lost $98
    griffey24 lost $320.30


    Hand 4
    -villain in this hand has some ridic huge 27 4bet, and pretty sure he's 4betting a ton of Ax and all sorts of other nonsense
    -river may be a fold here too, given how many Acx he might have, but that also means he has lots of non club Ax hands

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($400)
    CO ($248.90)
    BTN ($1,070.90)
    griffey24 (SB) ($572.60)
    BB ($296.60)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) griffey24 is SB
    2 folds, BTN raises to $8, griffey24 raises to $32, 1 fold, BTN raises to $80, griffey24 calls $48

    Flop: ($164, 2 players)
    griffey24 checks, BTN bets $50, griffey24 calls $50

    Turn: ($264, 2 players)
    griffey24 checks, BTN checks

    River: ($264, 2 players)
    griffey24 checks, BTN bets $175, griffey24 calls $175

    Final Pot: $614
    BTN shows


    BTN wins $611 (net +$306)

    griffey24 lost $305
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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    The A7 is fine...ppl will show up with random stuff enough that with odds it's a call. KJ is close...really not sure what's best. J10 is just gross, I think your shove is fine since so much missed. I'd obviously fold 99 on flop there if i'm going to flat the 4-bet oop, but i'd almost always just shove here until we're more than 150BB deep.
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  39. #189
    99 hand - I'd have to run the math. I'm 'pretty sure we need him to be 4bet bluffing a TON to be jamming approaching 150bbs deep, with this particular hand. I'd have to check though.

    On the flop, he's betting his entire air range no? (ie: hands like he showed up with)

    Yah I agree with A7... spaz fish will shove there repping.

    thanks for the thoughts!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  40. #190
    Been doing the math for the last 99 hand example. I think this is a reasonable short cut to figuring out how often we need a fold.

    If I assume that 99 will have around 33% vs his calling range to a shove, then he has on avg 67%.

    The difference between our equity is 34%.

    Percentage we need a fold =

    [(difference between our equity)*(effective stacks)- (amount lost if we fold)] / [(difference between our equity)*(effective stacks) + (amount of his 4bet)]


    In this case:

    =[(.34)*($572)-($32)]/[(.34)*($572) + ($80)]
    =59.1%

    We need him to 4bet fold 59.1% in the above example to shove 99. That seems pretty high to me, though I suppose its possible.

    not sure if that short cut to an equation is helpful. Seems easier to me than writing it all out. In that equation, 'amount lost if we fold', includes the amount we 3betted and will be folding as well as any dead money. So in this example I should probably also add the $4 blinds (so $36 instead of $32 for accuracy)
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  41. #191
    Well I've seen quite many things in my poker days. I've had horrible EV run bads that I never thought would end. But I can honestly say that I've never experienced what I"ve experienced today and yesterday. I've never seen such a series of horrible card run-outs after horrible card run-outs. Kind of speechless.

    These first three hands were all against the same villain on diff tables in a matter of like 150 seconds.

    Hand 1
    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
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    Stacks:
    UTG ($386)
    CO ($502.50)
    BTN ($961.80)
    SB ($396)
    griffey24 (BB) ($412)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) griffey24 is BB
    2 folds, BTN raises to $8, SB raises to $32, griffey24 raises to $80, BTN goes all-in $961.80, SB folds, griffey24 calls $332

    Flop: ($1,405.80, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: ($1,405.80, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($1,405.80, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $1,405.80
    griffey24 shows

    BTN shows


    griffey24 wins $853 (net +$441)

    BTN collects $549.80 (net -$412)
    SB lost $32


    Hand 2
    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    4 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    CO ($496.50)
    BTN ($549.80)
    SB ($396)
    griffey24 (BB) ($863)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 4 players) griffey24 is BB
    1 fold, BTN raises to $8, 1 fold, griffey24 raises to $35, BTN calls $27

    Flop: ($72, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $60, BTN calls $60

    Turn: ($192, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $140, BTN calls $140

    River: ($472, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $628, BTN calls $314.80

    Final Pot: $1,414.80
    griffey24 shows

    BTN shows


    BTN wins $1,099.60 (net +$549.80)

    griffey24 collects $313.20 (net -$549.80)


    Hand 3
    -immediately after these other two, he probably thinks I'm steaming after the AQ<A7 and its gin with aces mad overbet time.. oh wait

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    4 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    griffey24 (CO) ($495.50)
    BTN ($1,160.95)
    SB ($720.80)
    BB ($138.30)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 4 players) griffey24 is CO
    griffey24 raises to $12, BTN calls $12, 2 folds

    Flop: ($30, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $40, BTN calls $40

    Turn: ($110, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $175, BTN calls $175

    River: ($460, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $268.50, BTN calls $268.50

    Final Pot: $997
    griffey24 shows

    BTN shows


    BTN wins $995 (net +$499.50)

    griffey24 lost $495.50


    Yada yada yada.. down like $4.2k today.. can't win this month at all, that's for sure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  42. #192
    I actively went into yesterdays session with the mindset of: at every decision ask yourself "what would a nit do?".

    Somehow that went out the window in pretty much the first hand.

    So that's the goal for the session later today. What would a nit do?

    FOLD.

    That's what. Then he'd fold again. Fold. Fold. Fold. Fold.

    People who don't fold tell themselves that they are allowing themselves to be exploited. At least thats what I tell myself. Though, I'm pretty sure when I don't fold and repeatedly stack off I'm being exploited way worse by paying off, than I would have by just folding.

    Especially when I'm in this mega run bad, and every hand is hitting, thats even more reason to fold. I should just assume their hand hit and fold. Not assume their hand hit, and call just to verify.

    FOLD.

    Wish there was a way to enforce this. I swear I should just pay someone $25 to sweat every session I play and just watch for straight forward folds and just tell me to fold.

    Maybe I might actually implement this. Any takers? (For real - I might try this at least once). I don't think its as easy as it sounds. Watching 8 tables at once is tough, especially if you aren't playing in them
    .
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  43. #193
    Don't use P4's hehe. I would do it, but I have a "thing" tonight. FWIW, you do believe in the nit mindset it's just your curiosity that your fighting. You got on me tons about it and it's working well. I have my WTSD% down to 26% and I am winning most nights again.
  44. #194
    Thanks Jyms! Glad to hear you're on the up and up.

    Yah I'm better at telling ppl to fold more, than enforcing it myself.

    Maybe that's why my coaching skills > poker skills lately haha.

    Yah I need to get my wtsd way lower. The key to folding is also viewing your hand now (on the flop) and comparing it to your equity vs their RANGE. Way too often I get in the mindset of thinking "well my hand must be good now, so I'll call"... but I really need to get in the habit of folding if my hand sucks vs their range.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    What would a nit do?

    FOLD.

    That's what. Then he'd fold again. Fold. Fold. Fold. Fold.

    Wish there was a way to enforce this. I swear I should just pay someone $25 to sweat every session I play and just watch for straight forward folds and just tell me to fold.

    Maybe I might actually implement this. Any takers? (For real - I might try this at least once). I don't think its as easy as it sounds. Watching 8 tables at once is tough, especially if you aren't playing in them
    .
    i'm a nit. Would do it for free though, might help my redline
  46. #196
    I'm trying to keep my cool right now, but its getting progressively harder and harder.

    Every session is just 'wow'. Getting EV bombed, and on top of that getting sucked out even worse before getting all-in. About $8k under EV for the month, at mostly 2/4. On a $20k downswing right now, also at mostly 2/4.

    My big hands are getting killed pretty hard. I've had AA 154 times this month, and my won at SD is 52.6%. I'm not sure what is avg, but that seems remarkably low. I've had KK 147 times and a won at SD of about 52%. Anyone know what is standard here?

    This is the first time in a VERY long time where I've felt mostly helpless, or that it's out of my control. Often my big losing streaks have been playing wow bad, but this is like 70-80% uncontrollable and 20-30% playing bad.

    Anyways... not really sure what to do at the moment. Maybe I'll take a bit of a break, though likely I'll be back at it tomorrow!


    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  47. #197
    It's a miracle... just booked a winning session!

    Decided to drop down to mostly 1/2 and a bit of 2/4 (instead of 2/4 and 3/6 which I have been doing lately). Booked a solid +$1.6k.. it's about time!

    It's really quite unbelievable how much softer 1/2 is than 2/4+ on betfair. It's not necessarily the regs, though the regs are soft, but there are just a ton of 50-60bb stack whales on a lot of tables. While there doesn't seem to be these whales at all at 2/4.

    Feels nice to book a win after so long. Will probably stick it at 1/2 and 2/4 split for a couple more wins and then get back at it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  48. #198
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    Pretty nasty downswing, keep booking those wins at 1/2-2/4 and you'll have it all back before you know it!
  49. #199
    Thanks Roid!

    Played a bit more 1/2 and 2/4 today, and it went pretty well. Still had quite a few spots where I raised or 3bet flop and got flatted, and sucked out on turns with only one pot size left.. but ran better today at least.

    Up around $3.7k on day, so good quasi recovery started so far.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  50. #200
    I'm jumping on Hoopy and Rav's bandwagon of not checking results.

    I tested it out preliminarily today, by using only the "overall" tab in the 'reports' section, and turning off winnings. At least that way I can check/review my hands but not see my winnings/losses.

    The only obstacle is that I keep pretty diligent track of my end of day balance every day I grind. Been doing this since I started playing. Trying to think I can still keep track of this without really focusing on how much I'm up/down.

    I might try blacking out my spreadsheet cells so I can input the number but can't see it the following days. My memory is bad enough that I'll lose track so I might try that.

    Operation: no looking at the 'sessions' tab until next Wednesday April 6th.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  51. #201
    So i thought my downswing might have been over after that little upburst of $3.7k, but the last couple sessions have been a fun return to EV and variance death.

    Results Oriented - The operation of not looking at my results till wed was a mega fail, but where I am succeeding is still not looking at my results DURING a session (something which I was compulsively doing before hand).

    My initial worry of not looking at results was being worried about the inability to really have an accurate stop loss and potentially losing too much. I've been surprised (small sample) that after not looking, I'm actually over-estimating how bad things are going and actually stopping SOONER than I would have, rather than later. Though its not ideal for volume, its good for quitting when not playing solid or when things are going bad. I think this is because when you lose two quick buyins, and you don't know if you were already down 2-3 buyins that you just hit the eject button and quit.

    Gunnars - My eyes definitely don't feel as strained anymore. It's hard to tell what specific variable caused this, since I also implemented that software program that wingster had suggested. Either way, the combination of the two things has been helping.

    Calling 3bets
    - I rarely call them, yet when I do, I always lose/stack off. Not sure how this is possible when I conceivably have such a strong range? All I can think of is that alarms go off to people when I call a 3bet, so I'm only ever getting barreled with legit hands?

    The month - Down a solid $13.7k on the month right now. I'd be hapy if I could escape the month down $10k and EV at about down $1k. That would be a solid win for me now, so we'll see.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  52. #202
    good to see you like the gunnars man. I can't even play without mine now!

    hopefully results turn around next month, gl.
  53. #203
    Well the month is now over! It couldn't have come any sooner, though I suppose I should wait and see how April carries out before making statements like that!

    The month: Ended up down $13.7k. bonuses and RB around $1.5k, so net down $12.2k for the worst month in a while.

    Lessons learned
    :

    'A game' while losing: I already knew this, but I need to focus on my game while I'm losing. It's easy for me to play my A game while winning, but very rarely can I stick to this while losing.

    Quitting early: I have been quitting sooner in bad sessions while not looking at my results. I wouldn't have figured this to be the case, but I'm glad it is.

    Sports:

    Baseball:I'm going to the blue jays home opener today, so that's pretty sweet!

    Cricket:I'm sure very few people care about this, but it's the World Cup of Cricket going on right now, and Sri Lanka is in the finals which I'm pretty happy about. It's Sri Lanka vs India tomorrow morning at 5am, so I'll be waking up for that.

    Ultimate Frisbee: My ultimate team won its semi finals game last night, so we're going to the finals next week! This is the first 'first place' team I've been on in agessss. It feels kinda nice making it far in the playoffs. we'll see what happens.

    Up next: 'A game' in April. Regardless of winning or losing.
    Last edited by griffey24; 04-01-2011 at 09:28 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  54. #204
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    Nice on the ultimate frisbee ownage. I'm thinking of signing up for a team this summer. Also, legit brag going to the Jays home opener, I'm pretty excited to see how the team pans out this year.

    Glglglgl in April
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  55. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Ravageur View Post
    Nice on the ultimate frisbee ownage. I'm thinking of signing up for a team this summer. Also, legit brag going to the Jays home opener, I'm pretty excited to see how the team pans out this year.

    Glglglgl in April
    Sweet, you should definitely sign up. Its way better cardio than my dodgeball league thats for sure.

    I'll probably play in two leagues this summer. A rec team (my dodgeball team transferring into an ultimate team - we'll suck) and an intermediate team probably.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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    griffffffffffff you were settling down your red line and winning more!

    You may want to look into this program Nov 2009 - Tilt Demon - Stop Loss Tilt Prevention, How much WOULD you have saved! - Commercial Software -- Two Plus Two Poker Forums

    seems similar to what you've figured out recently.

    P.S. man I need to try out ultimate frisbee...I played like in middle school years ago but never really gave it a fair shot. Seems like a lot of fun.
  57. #207
    guys stop buying all these software, gunner glasses and what not.

    all you need to play poker is a computer. Save your money for a quality luckbox instead.
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    gunnar glasses were best investment i've made in years. Embody chair...not so much. Did you see that they just came out with a better chair for 1/4 the price I paid for mine? FML
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos View Post
    guys stop buying all these software, gunner glasses and what not.

    all you need to play poker is a computer. Save your money for a quality luckbox instead.
    I'm such a sucker for "cool" software
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    So jealous you're at the game right now. I'm such an over-reactor. Just put some cash on Jays to win the AL and the World Series lol.

    I love it! I also love about baseball that there's a game almost every day, gives me something to look forward to after grinding.
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  61. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Ravageur View Post
    So jealous you're at the game right now. I'm such an over-reactor. Just put some cash on Jays to win the AL and the World Series lol.

    I love it! I also love about baseball that there's a game almost every day, gives me something to look forward to after grinding.
    Oh man what a game!

    Jays demolished the twins. I was in the 500 level. It was sold out for sure, prob like 50k ppl. There were about 4 fights that broke out in the stands. They gave out rally towels to the crowd which was a dumb idea. Every homerun ppl throwing their towels out onto the field. As people got more drunk people were even toss full/open cans of coke from the 500 level down towards the field. We couldn't see where they were landing cause of the overhang but thats definitely not cool.

    Overall it was an awesome game. Good to see Bautista carry on where he left off, and Arencibia own them!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  62. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Ravageur View Post
    gunnar glasses were best investment i've made in years. Embody chair...not so much. Did you see that they just came out with a better chair for 1/4 the price I paid for mine? FML
    yea was mostly kidding as im sure some software is super usefull..

    but this thread is like an affiliate marketing site.. Griffey you should have referrals with those links u put up and get commission on every click
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  63. #213
    and I like my embody, whenever i sit in another chair im like wtf is this crap
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  64. #214
    Well.. good news.. April has continued right where March left off with some ridic EV and variance death. Let's hope it doesn't continue the entire month this time though!

    might post some hands in a bit, but not feeling it right now.

    Doing a good job playing pretty solid though. Made a few bad bluffs at 3/6, but other than that I'm happy with my play.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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    hey griffey,
    did you ever thought about mental coach (someone like Tommy Angelo)?? Because you sometimes sounds like pretty huge tilter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Diamond View Post
    hey griffey,
    did you ever thought about mental coach (someone like Tommy Angelo)?? Because you sometimes sounds like pretty huge tilter
    haha yaah I was on a waiting list a year and a half or two years ago for jered tendler coaching. It was something ridiculous like $1k per session, whcih at the time I was willing to spend no (cause I was playing $5/10) but wouldn't spend that much now!

    but yes, in general I do think it would be something beneficial. Would probably only ever consider it if I went back to playing full time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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    ok sounds good

    - btw I never heard about Jared Tendler before, but his web is awesome. Lot of very interesting stuff
  68. #218
    Cruise control

    That's the mode I've been in lately. Just playing my game, and doing the same ol' same ol'. Playing A-B game, winning or losing depending how variance wants to treat me. Analyzing some hands after, analyzing some opponents for a bit. Nothing too ground breaking. Enough to keep winning at the stakes I'm playing at. Enough to stay afloat. A lot of that I blame on this full time job, and not viewing poker in general the same way I used to. It's a side income now, and that's how I've been viewing it and treating it accordingly.

    Though I've recently felt a renewed sense of wanting to get better. Be better. (recently = the lat 3 hours). There's no real reason why I can't improve somewhat, and play higher up even in my spare time. I know I'm capable of it, so its just a matter of putting in the time/effort in the appropriate ways.

    I may be getting involved in some group coaching with Alexos, so this should rejuvenate my desire to improve. I've thought about coaching a lot over the years, but never actually taken the plunge.

    So here we go. Operation 'A' Game AND GET BETTER!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  69. #219
    A real job DOES get in the way of pokerz. Good luck transitioning.
  70. #220
    Was messing around with a few things in my last session.

    Tried betting and raising bigger in some spots, as I usually raise pretty small. Started this out while thinking that I should implement aspects of other people's games that annoy me.

    Also tried figuring out a game plan vs a good reg who calls a TON in the blinds (seemingly vs anyone's open) and c/r a TON of flops. Pretty sure he raises a huge portion of his range instead of c/c, and he probably feels he needs to given howmany hands he's playing out of the blinds.

    I'm not sure what my best plan is vs him. I think I'm getting hit hard by variance because I've started calling his flop raises with strong hands, but he keeps out-drawing me. It's happened the last 3 or 4 times now, though I have to stick with it because I really think thats best given his range.

    Here are a couple hands vs him.

    1) really?.. regs defending A6o vs utg opens need to be punished.

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    4 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    griffey24 (CO) ($844.10)
    BTN ($602.10)
    SB ($501)
    BB ($544.90)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 4 players) griffey24 is CO
    griffey24 raises to $12, 2 folds, BB calls $8

    Flop: ($26, 2 players)
    BB checks, griffey24 bets $16, BB raises to $39, griffey24 calls $23

    Turn: ($104, 2 players)
    BB bets $44, griffey24 calls $44

    River: ($192, 2 players)
    BB bets $64, griffey24 calls $64

    Final Pot: $320
    BB shows


    BB wins $318 (net +$159)

    griffey24 lost $159


    Hand 2)
    -if this raising range is so wide, then I think raising these particular turns becomes more profitable

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    3 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    griffey24 (BTN) ($566.75)
    SB ($767.50)
    BB ($487.90)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 3 players) griffey24 is BTN
    griffey24 raises to $8, SB folds, BB calls $4

    Flop: ($18, 2 players)
    BB checks, griffey24 bets $12, BB raises to $36, griffey24 calls $24

    Turn: ($90, 2 players)
    BB bets $65, griffey24 raises to $150, BB folds

    Final Pot: $305

    griffey24 wins $303 (net +$109)

    BB lost $109
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  71. #221
    Yesterday was a pretty damn tilting poker day!

    Played a couple cash sessions and was getting just EV rocked and variance in general was mocking me. Ended up down about $3.8k, and this downswing just doesn't want to end. Was about $2.3k under EV as well, which doesn't help.

    Then I grinded a betfair freeroll. About 200 entrants and only top two places pay out, $5.7k each. I pretty much never play tourneys. Alex and I both had chip leads starting with about 20 or so people left and rode it out to top three. I had the third place person all-in on 3 different occasions with the best hand, and he spiked each time. I'd eventually go out to Alex's QJs vs my 77, to a fitting J river. Donkaments are tiltinggggg.. especially bubbling them.

    Every session I play I'm very happy with 97% of my play, but not happy with about 2-3 hands. Sadly, those 2-3 hands are generally avoidable stackoffs which end up making a big difference. One was a very questionable call of a 4bet (after 3betting a guy a ton, and him finally 4betting when stacks were somewhat deepish - with KJs - and stacking post). The other was 5bet shoving 99 vs Alex after he iso'd a limper to 4x on the button. I'm sure I had one more hand too, which adds up to about $1k-$1200 of my $3.7k in losses. Not insignificant, and is a consistent theme that needs to be fixed!

    In the red for the second month in a row now. Hoping this run bad ends soon. When I was running hot I was "feeling bad" about it. Remind me not to do that anymore!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  72. #222
    Things are lookin' up!

    Sounds like me, alex and ravageur all won betfair suite seats to UFC in Toronto!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  73. #223
    another thing you can be grateful for: transferring most of your roll off of stars before 15/4

    that freeroll story was epic; i assume you and alexos run the streets of MSNL on betfair?
    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters
    Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
  74. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill View Post
    another thing you can be grateful for: transferring most of your roll off of stars before 15/4

    that freeroll story was epic; i assume you and alexos run the streets of MSNL on betfair?
    Yaah I actually still had about 20k on stars, so trying to get that out still.

    haha I wish I ran the streets there. Things were rolling pretty well up until the doom of march/april came and huge run bad. so hopefully once variance subsides I can get back to that!

    Alex is just a huge luckbox who runs the streets everywhere!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  75. #225
    Not too much to report, other than the continuation of this never ending downswing.

    I'm waiting on the 'mental game' Jered Tendler book which will hopefully help some aspects of my game. It should arrive in a week or so.

    Other than that, need to start running better in general. Some of the favorites yesterday were running QQ on a 555Q board into 75 from the button, and running AQss into 9Tss on a 67ss2c 8s board. Though showing hands to alex makes me feel like I value town a lot in spots I think are pretty standard.

    Lets Play A Game:

    So here are some potential value town spots. Let me know which are value towning and which are legitimate! I won two out of the five at showdown, which two did I win?

    Hand 1)
    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($412)
    CO ($435)
    BTN ($390)
    SB ($533.90)
    griffey24 (BB) ($400)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) griffey24 is BB
    3 folds, SB raises to $12, griffey24 raises to $36, SB calls $24

    Flop: ($72, 2 players)
    SB checks, griffey24 checks

    Turn: ($72, 2 players)
    SB bets $54, griffey24 calls $54

    River: ($180, 2 players)
    SB bets $168, griffey24 goes all-in $310 since villain has $140 left?


    Hand 2
    -villain is big laggish fish, def a fish though

    $1/$2 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($206)
    CO ($289.80)
    BTN ($204.10)
    SB ($279.65)
    griffey24 (BB) ($238.75)

    Pre-Flop: ($3, 5 players) griffey24 is BB
    2 folds, BTN raises to $6, 1 fold, griffey24 calls $4

    Flop: ($13, 2 players)
    griffey24 checks, BTN bets $13, griffey24 raises to $35, BTN calls $22

    Turn: ($83, 2 players)
    griffey24 checks, BTN bets $42, griffey24 goes all-in $197.75


    Hand 3
    -villain was 3betting me a ton

    $3/$6 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($612)
    CO ($591)
    BTN ($1,623.05)
    griffey24 (SB) ($591)
    BB ($616)

    Pre-Flop: ($9, 5 players) griffey24 is SB
    3 folds, griffey24 raises to $18, BB raises to $54, griffey24 calls $36

    Flop: ($108, 2 players)
    griffey24 checks, BB checks

    Turn: ($108, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $81, BB calls $81

    River: ($270, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $175


    Hand 4
    -Villain had seemed pretty aggro barelling so far, and was pretty loose but not sure on his calling tendencies

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($425.10)
    griffey24 (CO) ($820)
    BTN ($512.80)
    SB ($929.50)
    BB ($419.30)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) griffey24 is CO
    1 fold, griffey24 raises to $12, 1 fold, SB calls $10, 1 fold

    Flop: ($28, 2 players)
    SB checks, griffey24 bets $22, SB calls $22

    Turn: ($72, 2 players)
    SB checks, griffey24 bets $60, SB calls $60

    River: ($192, 2 players)
    SB checks, griffey24 bets $175


    Hand 5
    -villain is cancersvulst or whatever, for whatever that means to ongame ppl. Means he never folds to 3bets or 4bets and is pretty dumb

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    4 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    CO ($440.20)
    BTN ($594.10)
    SB ($501.60)
    griffey24 (BB) ($537.60)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 4 players) griffey24 is BB
    CO raises to $12, 2 folds, griffey24 raises to $45, CO calls $33

    Flop: ($92, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $60, CO calls $60

    Turn: ($212, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $60, CO calls $60

    River: ($332, 2 players)
    griffey24 bets $280.60


    So let's play a game. I ended up winning 2 out of the 5 at showdown, which 2 did I win!?
    Last edited by griffey24; 04-24-2011 at 10:14 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks

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