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bjsaust

06-16-2009, 11:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by XTR1000

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

So I did give him correct odds. To give him incorrect odds...hmm, I tried doing this mathmatically and couldnt, anyone know the formula?

Amount to bet be "z"

You want z / pot + z + stack(effective) -z > villians equity

or z > villians equity * (pot + z + stack(effective) - z)
z > villians equity * (pot + stack(effective))

So with numbers from your first example

z > .22727 * (45.5 + 38.84)
z > 19.16

Thanks, I had similar but not quite, must have gotten myself confused.

One thing that occurs to me though, whatever he's calling with, be it TPTK, 2P, Set, he's going to end up on the river with a tiny stack/pot ratio. Even with my $15 bet, he's going to have less than $25 left with a pot of $75, can he really fold if he misses on the river? So theres definately reverse implied odds on his behalf to consider as well as the implied odds. Even if say he only calls half the time on the river, that $15 bet is effectively $27 which is easily enough.

I think thats valid reasoning anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

do you find that those general styles of play maintain through the different levels or do they differ between levels on a site.

Yeah, so far I have. It was the same from 25nl to 50nl on Everest, the same from 50nl to 100nl on iPoker and the same from 50nl to 100nl on Everest. I'm not sure why its the case, I can only assume its a bit of a case of monkey see, monkey do. They learn off each other.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

Also found the devonshire tea reference above amusing as I don't think you could get much further away from Devon.

Lol true, but devonshire tea's are very popular in Australia, definately one of my favorite snacks!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by daven

agreed. I had a bad experience reading about non-showdown winnings and trying to make mine better. 4 buyins later I gave up, and now I've won it back with value bets...

Yeah, I'd really been working on (and having success with) barrelling and representing ranges, and really focusing on my aggression on Everest, and it just backfired here. Hopefully at 100nl I can work that stuff back in, because it sure makes poker more interesting, but for now its mainly back to grinding value bets.

Just playing to improve.

bjsaust

06-17-2009, 11:36 PM

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Little story about stats and sample size.

I jump onto Party yesterday, and end up on a table with Jyms. He's got position two spots to my left, and its fairly obvious that the table money is the seat between us. I start raising a lot preflop because this guy is calling a lot and folding most flops. Seems like the kind of guy who loses a lot of small pots, but when they get big he generally has a hand worthy of a big pot (a common mistake by a lot of TAGs is not identifying this and losing stacks with TPTK type hands v's them). Anyway, I play an interesting hand on another table and msg Jym about it, and conversation turns to this target. I have about 50 hands on him, at 75% fold to cbet, so like I say I'm just raising wide and cbetting a heap. Jyms has about 200 hands on him, and has him at 40% fold to cbet, so Jyms is looking to make good TP hands against him and value town him. Same fish, same table, but our adjustments are polar opposites because of stats over different sample sizes. Shortly after this I see him call two barrels with a gutshot and call river with a weak TP hand, so I think Jyms read was right (as you'd expect with larger sample), and he must have just been completely whiffing against me in the hands we played.

Just a lesson that stats dont tell the whole story, especially over small samples.

Just playing to improve.

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06-18-2009, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bjsaust

I jump onto Party yesterday, and end up on a table with Jyms. He's got position two spots to my left, and its fairly obvious that the table money is the seat between us.

i was going to tell a story about sitting between you and Jyms on party, but I think i won't bother now

You still partying at 50nl for a while longer? I reached my first "move up to 100nl party bankroll target", then reached my second such target, and i guess I'll just have to move up sometime, but I'm scared that the players won't suck as bad...

+$42 on million dollar hands

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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06-18-2009, 07:33 AM

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I'm now break even on Party, so I'll wait till I win 2 more buyins even though I'm technically well rolled for 100nl. I still want to make sure I'm playing well before I do after the way I started the month.

Just playing to improve.

bjsaust

06-18-2009, 12:08 PM

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Meh, ok I lied. Couldnt find good 50nl tables tonight so jumped on some 100nl ones. Ran good, played well (I think), was up over a buyin until I lost with a set v's overpair on flop which turned OESD on turn when the rest of my money went in v's one of the bigger stations I've met (75% in a 250BB pot

). Sill, I got back $70 about 5 hands later off him. Ended the session up a bit over $80, so happy with that given I ran 2 buyins below EV.

I think I hit 3 sets for the session which obviously helps, but felt I was using aggression well. One thing Im starting to do which people here have been hammering into me for a while (ironically) is to keep hammering on weakness. TAGfish who steals 60% OTB but folds to 3bets 80% and doesnt adjust? Hello, I'm a 3-bet maniac! Limp/call pf, fold flop, hello I'm an isolating/cbetting machine!!

I think I'm playing well v's specific opponents again, which is a real key. Robot poker might work, but its not optimal. So feeling confident to stay up now.

I bought the new ebook people are talking about Small Stakes NLHE. I think its really going to help me. It seems to primarily address areas that I think have been issues in my game. Trying to work through it slowly, and take good notes while I go, rather than just read through like most books. I think it influenced my play tonight, I was trying to keep it in mind.

Heres an interesting hand:

This was my 3rd hand at the table, and was already my second 3-bet, so I think he's calling light and likely to 'play back at the maniac' on a flop that doesnt hit my range.

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($112.58)
SB ($100.50)
BB ($141.80)
CO ($155.88)
UTG ($103.88)
MP ($97.19)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K

, 8

2 folds, CO bets $3.50, Hero raises $11, 2 folds, CO calls $7.50

Flop: ($23.50) 7

, 6

, 9

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $13, CO raises $28, Hero raises $88.58 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $79.50

Just playing to improve.

dev

06-18-2009, 06:45 PM

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I think after 3 hands it's difficult to put someone on 'playing back at the maniac'.

You're credibly repping 98s, 88+ so I'm thinking you'll get a fold from a decent player with any 8 + pair kind of hand. Other than that I have to think that you're only folding out air. Still probably the highest EV play and it could do wonders for your image if shown down.

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06-18-2009, 07:33 PM

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since when do u 3bet light

Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.

bjsaust

06-18-2009, 08:59 PM

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Trying to work it in more

. I 3bet light, but nowhere near enough.

Maybe not enough to be seen as a maniac dev, but I think I 3-bet my BB and cbet the flop, raised my SB (think BB folded) then 3-bet my button and now cbet a board not likely to hit me, he's probably either going to think I'm a bit of a maniac, or think I'm positionally aware and at least have a fair chance of bluffing here. As you say, once I get to this spot I think its the only way to play, and if I get called I have 8 outs and possibly 11.

I think I only have about 4-5% 3bet on average, and I only 3-bet QQ+,AK for value, so around 2-3% bluff range. Thats way too low and hardly going to inspire fear or silliness in my opponents. So generally speaking trying to increase my aggression overall in the right spots against the right opponents

Just playing to improve.

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06-18-2009, 09:55 PM

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I feel like I 3bet kind of tight but my 3bet stat is like 7%.

Check out my self-deprecation here!

bjsaust

06-19-2009, 12:59 AM

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Just finsihed a monster session down $80, which is ok since I was down $300 at one point. Felt like I ran really bad, but on review I think I should have found some folds I didnt:

Hand 1

Villain is bad aggressive, 1 or 2 hands previous he min c/r me on Q95tt flop and folded to a 3bet.

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($127.13)
BB ($258.89)
UTG ($101.63)
MP ($151.14)
Button ($255.63)
CO ($119.42)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

, Q

1 fold, MP bets $3, 1 fold, Button calls $3, Hero raises $13.50, 2 folds, Button raises $22, Hero raises $113.13 (All-In)

Hand 2

44/19 over small sample, didnt fold to the only previous 3bet

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($142.33)
Hero (SB) ($112.88)
MP ($143.18)
UTG ($106.28)
BB ($100)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

, K

2 folds, Button bets $4, Hero raises $13.50, 1 fold, Button calls $10

Flop: ($29) 7

, 5

, 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $15, Button calls $15

Turn: ($59) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $24, Button raises $64.50, Hero calls $40.50

River: ($188) 10

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $48.83 (All-In), Hero calls $19.38 (All-In)

I dont know why, I keep putting TT-QQ type hands in there range here.

Hand 3

This ones just stupid. Early on table, guy who bets on river is 33/33 but small sample.

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($112.25)
MP ($100)
SB ($204.34)
BB ($345.18)
CO ($142.27)
UTG ($163.48)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K

, K

1 fold, MP bets $4, 1 fold, Hero raises $12, 1 fold, BB calls $11, MP calls $8

Flop: ($36.50) 2

, 4

, 8

(3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $25, BB calls $25, MP calls $25

Turn: ($111.50) 4

(3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($111.50) 3

(3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $63 (All-In), Hero calls $63, 1 fold

Total pot: $237.50

Hand 4

Normally river is b/f, but villain is very bluffy, I hadnt seen him slowplay a hand yet, so felt he was capable of bluff raising river. I dunno, given he's pretty bluffy maybe the fact he didnt bluff turn says something, but I felt he maybe had showdown value and didnt want to bluff, but then he wouldnt bluff raise the river would he? He was like 55/23, definately the table money but running super hot (and like I say, all his 2P type hands he played fast)

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($180.15)
UTG ($447.65)
BB ($194.20)
Button ($100)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3

, 3

UTG bets $4, Button calls $4, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($13) 9

, 4

, 3

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $7, 1 fold, Hero raises $24, UTG calls $17

Turn: ($61) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($61) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $28, UTG raises $65, Hero calls $37

Total pot: $191

Just playing to improve.

bjsaust

06-21-2009, 11:14 PM

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No thoughts on those hands? Fwiw I asked Griffey to go through them and he wouldnt have folded any, but then he admitted that everyone he shows hands to thinks he's a calling station, so I'm not sure whether thats good or bad for me...

So Party is going along. My graph looks really swingy so far. Soft but in the kind of way where I'm playing some big pots with strongish hands against wide ranges but sometimes they have it. Like a 60/0 guy who called down 2 hands with middle pair no kicker so when I had JJ on a T high board I bet for max value and he called down with QQ. It happens, but I'll be up a couple buyins then play a couple hands like that to knock a lot of profit off. So I'm up $100 over 7k hands which is obviously less than I'd like, but I'm also over $400 below EV so stick at it. Think I'm getting a real good feel on how to beat the games, just gotta remember to fold sometimes.

Just playing to improve.

XTR1000

06-22-2009, 05:22 AM

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#1 Dont fold and prob don´t call. His sizing makes stack sizes awkward, but I dont think you can not shove.

#2 Stop associating this line with TT-QQ, seriously. Assuming hes a true fish I´d b/3b, no point in having 20 behind on the river. He shows up with a lot of pr+draw, 2pr and sets, along with TPTK and TP2K. Lacking a solid fish read Id go for b/f turn c/f river

#3 Sucky spot. Im folding because paying off small sets in 3bet pots drives me insane. Especially when the greedy fucker slowplayed his hand all the way.

#4 bet turn, as played c/c or c/r river

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigred

xtr stand for exotic tranny retards

yo

bjsaust

06-22-2009, 05:42 AM

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Hmm, so you actually put more hands in his range in hand 2? Agree on b/3b though, dunno why I dont do that. Thats cool though, at least you agree most are folds.

H1 - AA
H2 - 77
H3 - 56!
H4 - KhXh

Just some run bad then I guess.

Just playing to improve.

daven

06-22-2009, 11:21 AM

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hand 1
at best you'r flipping after the min 4-bet. Call or fold.

hand 2
range is wide. I dunno, his range is 22-AA/AK/some random stuff. On the flop he's narrowing his range to 55+ (sets, overpairs, gutshots). That turn makes for a check-call. If you're going to call the raise then you should shove cos it leaves you about nothing behind anyway.

hand 3
pre-flop good. Flop good. Turn is meh I dunno bet or check behind. I probably bet in 6-max. River easy fold.

hand 4
ahhh, sets out of position. I don't like the flop c-r, hell I prefer c-c and c-bomb turn. As played river check-call or check-shove.

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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bjsaust

06-22-2009, 10:10 PM

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I cant possibly work out why check/shove is good, but bet/call is bad in hand 4?

Just playing to improve.

XTR1000

06-23-2009, 04:39 AM

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because hes the bluffy guy who will insta stab at boards like this. b/f tightens his bluffing range significantly

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xtr stand for exotic tranny retards

yo

bjsaust

06-23-2009, 07:11 AM

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but c/c takes care of his bluffs, you're putting hands in his value bet/call shove range that arent in is raising range? Surely there arent many.

Just playing to improve.

bjsaust

06-23-2009, 01:27 PM

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Interesting session just now. Only logged on to play 30 mins or so, ended up playing over 2 hours. Initially just couldnt get things going, just hovering around break even for about 300 hands, then steady drop going absolute card dead for a while, then a cooler (QQ v's J5 on J56tt board v's guy with 30% donk bet), a tilty calldown when an obvious flush hit turn, and looks like another big pot in there and suddenly I'm down over 2 buyins. Nearly quit, felt so close to tilting, but focused in, got my game back and played steady. Finally got some hands and those hands got paid, finished the night up $50.

Obviously upset I got tilted for a bit there, but happy I got back on track. I'm now less than a buyin off break even for the month, after the 10 buyin downswing early. Party I'm up almost $600 so far. Fairly happy all around atm.

Just playing to improve.

bjsaust

06-24-2009, 01:24 AM

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Nice +3 buyin (almost) session. Won a flip QQ > AKs v's a reg and stacked another reg with set v's TPTK on drawy board both for full stacks. Won a bunch of medium pots bluff catching. Had position on a maniac who just kept on betting when checked to constantly which helped. I'm now back up for the month, closing in on $5k. Feeling pretty good.

Couple hands:

Hand 1

Both players pretty std tags, I'd just ticked the option to sit out my next BB.

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($102)
BB ($100)
Button ($123.68)
MP ($100)
UTG ($100)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

, J

1 fold, MP bets $3, Button calls $3, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($10) J

, Q

, 8

(3 players)
Hero bets $7, 1 fold, Button raises $20, Hero raises $92 (All-In), Button calls $79

Turn: ($208) 7

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($208) 4

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $208

Results:
Button had Q

, A

(one pair, Queens).
Hero had J

, J

(three of a kind, Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $206

I worried it was the kind of flop that might check through if PFR had something like AK, but I'd expect that to call me and hands like AQ, JQ and KK+ to raise me, KQ maybe just flat. People love to put you on a draw when you play like this. He tanked a long time before calling my shove, which just shows a truism of Samo's he keeps talking about in vids. Dont bet or raise unless you know what you plan to do if raised, he put himself into a shitty spot by raising my 'draw' but then wtf'd himself when I shoved over. Its a spot where he only ever gets in at best flipping and quite possibly crushed (as in this case).

Hand 2

This ones a bit more interesting, especially since I misread stats initially. Relatively new to table, but have 500 mined hands on him at 52/8 with 46% fold to cbet. He only raises flop cbet 3%, but what I missed initially on turn is that he raises turn cbet 35%. So thoughts on play both with and without that stat?

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($100)
SB ($100.50)
BB ($163.61)
UTG ($185.73)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K

, K

1 fold, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 3

, J

, 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($14.50) 3

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $9, BB raises $18, Hero calls $9

River: ($50.50) 2

(2 players)
BB bets $21, Hero calls $21

Total pot: $92.50

Results:
Hero had K

, K

(two pair, Kings and threes).
BB had 6

, Q

(one pair, threes).
Outcome: Hero won $90

Just playing to improve.

bjsaust

06-24-2009, 02:26 AM

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Quote:

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+$42 on million dollar hands

13 hands: $12

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dev

06-24-2009, 06:36 PM

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Hand 2 I think you can size your bets bigger. He probably raises the turn a lot because it's seen as a "set line" when someone calls the flop and raises the turn. So he knows that and is doing it as a bluff. CiB?

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bjsaust

06-25-2009, 12:46 AM

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Agree on betsizing, not standard for me, especially on flop. Cant remember any reason for betting so small v's a fish who doesnt fold much.

Had some thoughts to put down, cant remember them now and in the office atm. Might have some strategy or something to post later.

Just playing to improve.

bjsaust

06-26-2009, 12:31 AM

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BR > $5k!

Ok, I promise not to make a fuss every time I reach $1k more, but this is probably the most significant milestone in my mind since reaching $1k BR. Basically, this means I completed the Op I had in mind when I started this thread. $5k was my "I've got a BR now" point in my head. Obviously like anyone who's played this game for a while knows, I still have a lot more to learn and always will, but the build a roll part is completed.

From here on, half of any money I earn is earmarked for withdrawal. Win $100, thats another $50 I can withdraw next time I do. I wanted a nice solid BR base as a buffer before I started doing any withdrawals.

Why is my sig Op $10k instead of $5k then? Basically, $10k is when I plan to make my first withdrawal, which will be $2.5k (so I win 5 then withdraw half of it).

So long month in that I started with around $4.6k, but after the 10 $1k downswing at the start I'm obviously happy just to pull in a positive month (so far anyway). Few more days to go, unlikely to reach my $6k mark for shots at 200nl this month, but hopefully can move a bit closer still. Pulling in $1k including bonuses this month would rock.

Some of that is obviously bonus and stuff, but I'm up a few dollars short of $1k on Party, and $350 overall for the month, so pokers positive, not just overall BR growth.[/b]

Just playing to improve.

bjsaust

06-26-2009, 03:33 AM

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Heres another good example of that point about knowing how you'll react to a raise if you bet or raise yourself:

Dont remember stats, but basic Taggy Reg.

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($100)
BB ($125.50)
Button ($101)
UTG ($109.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10

, A

1 fold, Button bets $4, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($9) J

, K

, 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($9) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: ($9) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button raises $13, Hero raises $51, Button calls $43

Total pot: $121

Results:
Button didn't show
Hero had 10

, A

(straight, Ace high).
Outcome: Hero won $119

Now he tanked his entire timebank down before calling. My point isnt whether his raise was good (although his call almost certainly is bad), the point is that his raise is bad if he hasnt already considered what he's going to do if I reraise. That should be decided, before (or as a part of) his decision to raise in the first place, not after I do it.

Just playing to improve.

Robb

06-28-2009, 07:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

BR > $5k!

Congrats, man!! Nice job.

My Operation and FTR Rethread: Stations are *sob* so hard to play against

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06-29-2009, 12:09 PM

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Thanks Robb

.

Just checked back to last months review, and I finished that month at $4.6k BR. I'm now just above $5.6k so barring a losing day tomorrow I should finish the month up $1k which would rock. Only $850 of that from actual poker, but still time to get the poker up before the EOM, so lets hope tomorrow goes well.

Just playing to improve.

daven

06-29-2009, 03:25 PM

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Quote:

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BR > $5k!

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

Why is my sig Op $10k instead of $5k then? Basically, $10k is when I plan to make my first withdrawal, which will be $2.5k (so I win 5 then withdraw half of it).

nice plan

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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TonyB73

06-29-2009, 11:06 PM

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I'm now just above $5.6k so barring a losing day tomorrow I should finish the month up $1k

Great work mate.

Thats some solid recent BR growth ...

Sir Pawnalot

06-30-2009, 12:58 AM

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I sense greatness!

You seem so much more confident in writing and hopefully you will instill so much fear and dread in your opponents that only whales and stupid fools dare sit at your table.

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06-30-2009, 03:06 AM

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Why is my sig Op $10k instead of $5k then? Basically, $10k is when I plan to make my first withdrawal, which will be $2.5k (so I win 5 then withdraw half of it).

Nice plan, I think I'm going to copy it lol.

And nice work on the 5k milestone, 10k isn't much further.

"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."

Check out my blog here!

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06-30-2009, 03:53 AM

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Yeah, plan is based off a system a mate of mine had for saving while paying off his home loan that we've borrowed. Anything he wanted to buy, he'd save double it. That way the homeloan kept getting paid down, but he didnt feel like he could never buy anything due to his mortgage. We've done the same on ours and its been great. Without some kind of system I tend to lose track and go through spending phases and saving phases and dont really progress as well as I should.

Thanks for all the congrats guys, it means a lot

. Definately feeling a lot more confident now Pawnalot, and its translating into my game. Strangely enough, a lot of that confidence translates into being confident to fold when I should.

Well, it took damn near 4 hours and over 1100 hands, but I got my last 1.5 buyins. Thats actually not a bad winrate (around 6-7pt/100) but it seemed slow. Almost every big hand I got failed to get action it seemed.

Flopped a boat with TT on T77 board 4 way and PFR bet, he has 7X or QQ+ always here. I call and he bets again on K turn, I discount QQ and if he has KK so be it. We're deep, so I figure I can flat here and expect him to bet pretty much all rivers, and a raise from me on river will almost certainly be called by his range and get all the money in.

Rivers a T.

I mean, I love getting quads, dont get me wrong, but the board is now 77TTK. I dont get any action here from anything other than KK. He checks, I bet about 3/4 pot because its a spot where he either calls or doesnt, and he folds and abuses my call on the turn putting me on a bare T, reinforcing my belief he had a big hand I'd have gotten it in with.

I dunno, maybe too tricky. Could probably have gotten it in earlier if he really did have the range I gave him though.

Anyway, I got there eventually. Finishing the month up $1004.70, thats now my 3rd month in a row I've broken $1k, so pumped about that as you'd imagine. Roll is around $5,800 so looking forward to a shot at 200nl shorty! Graphs and review to come soon.

Just playing to improve.

kmind

06-30-2009, 04:13 AM

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siiiiiiiiiiiiick ben

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06-30-2009, 12:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

Flopped a boat with TT on T77 board 4 way and PFR bet, he has 7X or QQ+ always here.

You should slow play big hands when villain's range is weakest, and raise big hands when their range is stronggggg. I know it's stating the obvious, but if this is your read here there is no reason in the world you shouldn't raise this flop. ESPECIALLY if there's a fd on there as well, but even if there isn't. I think people are more capable of folding a TT7 flop than a T77 flop or something.

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07-01-2009, 01:33 AM

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Yeah, I agree, I dont really have a good reason for slowplaying it. I slowplayed because I expected to get it in anyway, but why not just go ahead and get it in fast? If he had QQ then an A or K could kill my action, likewise KK would slowdown on an A 160bbs deep.

Ok, heres my graph:

Not really a lot to say that I havnt said already. 10 buyin downswing early. Some of that was bad cards, but some was tilt or just plain trying to force things and making it worse. I think to a degree I got used to hitting the nuts and improving back past people, and spewed a bit chasing when I should fold.

Most of the flat section in the middle was 50nl on Party. Took a while to adjust there. I'd gotten used to playing a more aggressive, creative style at 100nl, and suddenly I just had people who didnt fold and took a while to go back to a really basic v'bet style. I didnt actually beat 50nl on Party, just got comfortable and moved back up to 100nl and things went well from there.

Just playing to improve.

bjsaust

07-01-2009, 02:22 AM

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Going to steal a page from Robbs manual and quote him from his op:

Quote:

I think some of the others around here like Ben are well ahead of me in terms of understanding the game, but I feel like I'm really advancing a lot right now.

Not sure if thats true or not, but gratifying for him to say so. Thought I'd comment on where I feel I'm at. It was interesting when I posted my last vid a while back, when DaGoat initially reviewed a video from a couple of months before that, and then reviewed the vid I'd posted. The first one he ripped to shreds and found a LOT of problems with. The second was much improved and he found a lot less problems total, and the issues he had were generally more minor. I really felt I'd improved a lot in that time, so it was good to see evidence of that. I think thats largely where I am now. A lot less mistakes, and the ones I make are smaller. Maybe a betsizing issue, maybe a bit thin on river v'bet, maybe checking behind instead of making a tiny v'bet, stuff like that. Its not that often I'll show something to him or Griffey and have them tell me its just a total mess anymore.

I think one thing I notice as an issue atm is, when I review some hands I come to different conclusions than I make at the time. Often to do with villains ranges, or more precisely what they must have on early streets to end up where we are on the turn/river. Its not that I'm not capable of working it out, its just that I'm not always getting it right in the time available during the hand. With a bit more time I do a better job. This is often the case when I show guys hands now. They come to the same conclusion I do which is good, but its the conclusion I come to away from the table, not the one at the table. Not surprising I guess, but thats probably the area I need to improve the most at the time. If I could play at the tables with the decisions I make away from the tables I think I'd really be crushing atm. I'm not sure theres any way to work on that other than just experience though. I know it comes, all through my poker career I've been able to make better and better decisions more quickly, so hopefully just sticking to small number of tables, trying to think through my decisions, and continuing to review hands later will help me to start making the correct decisions more and more quickly.

Beyond that, I'm starting to think ahead to my 200nl shot. Getting a bit nervous tbh. Not of the money, but I just suspect I'm going to find less fish, and better regs. By far I think the key to my game atm is my ability to exploit bad players. My game largely consists of avoiding good players unless I have a strong range, and taking money off the easy targets. This actually makes me quite exploitable I think, but most regs either cant work that out, or arent sure how to exploit it. That said, I'm not comfortable exploiting regs either. I do, but...in a pretty basic general way. I can pick whos isolating fish and 3-bet them, obvious 3-bet spots v's robotic blind stealing, and like I say in the big pots I almost always have a much stronger range than regs expect me to, but thats only half the equation. I really feel like sometimes I should have weaker ranges where they expect me to be strong. In short, bluff them more. In particular barreling them off weak hands, c/r bluffing more (I read Renton say once that he believes you should be c/r bluffing enough to be happy getting all in with TPTK on the flop if you c/r it). Basically becoming the guy other regs dont want to play against. It was nice to see Sir Pawnalot think: "hopefully you will instill so much fear and dread in your opponents that only whales and stupid fools dare sit at your table", but in reality thats not the case currently. I'm probably a non-entity to most, with perhaps a suspicion that I get lucky a lot (because again, I'll almost always have it or a huge draw when the money goes in). Thats something I need to work on, but not really sure where to start. Its higher variance, so I need to start by accepting that I'll lose some med size pots that I wouldnt normally be involved in. I dont want to drastically change my game, especially not as I move up, but I think I need to gradually work on these things.

Considering coaching, but the problem is I'd like coaching costs to come from my roll. Not much point moving up to 200nl at $6k and then drop $500-$1k on some coaching sessions right away. I'll probably take my shot first, hopefully play well and do ok, and maybe consider coaching once I'm more entrenched. If I fail dismally, maybe I'll have to consider getting some back at 100nl before trying again.

Just playing to improve.

Robb

07-01-2009, 10:11 AM

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You're one of the good ones, Ben. It's easy to see why you're long-term successful. You stay motivated to learn even when you're winning and this op at times is like a "how to" for learning to think well about poker.

My Operation and FTR Rethread: Stations are *sob* so hard to play against

daven

07-01-2009, 11:44 AM

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we still haven't crossed swords. If i was in nz i'm guessing we'd be at each other a bunch. One day....

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

I really feel like sometimes I should have weaker ranges where they expect me to be strong. In short, bluff them more.
I'll almost always have it or a huge draw when the money goes in). Thats something I need to work on, but not really sure where to start. Its higher variance, so I need to start by accepting that I'll lose some med size pots that I wouldnt normally be involved in.

maybe start to look at the spots where villains are always folding to your monsters. Are you in these spots with air sometimes? balance time?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

Sir Pawnalot: "hopefully you will instill so much fear and dread in your opponents that only whales and stupid fools dare sit at your table"

this is nice

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/

bjsaust

07-01-2009, 12:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

maybe start to look at the spots where villains are always folding to your monsters. Are you in these spots with air sometimes? balance time?

Thats kind of the problem. I dont have spots where people always fold to my monsters. Any time I think "I should raise here to represent a big hand", I stop and reconsider, because if I actually had a big hand there I'd raise it, because people just seem to pay off. I have cold spells where I dont seem to get paid much, but overall thats not a real issue. I think what I need to do is not so much generally have balance in spots, but pick the right times against the right opponents to introduce some balance that I havnt had before now.

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07-01-2009, 12:52 PM

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maybe start to look at the spots where villains are always folding to your monsters. Are you in these spots with air sometimes? balance time?

idk I just raise anyway and get folds
you remind me of those people who go "mmm I'll 3b next hand... no wait he'll expect that *folds*"

bjsaust

07-01-2009, 11:29 PM

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Possibly, but then again I'm running at 14bb (7ptBB)/100 at 100nl precisely because people keep paying me off. I just think I need to make adjustments as I look to move up since I cant rely on this going on forever.

Just playing to improve.

Robb

07-02-2009, 12:35 AM

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sick ben, keep it up

My Operation and FTR Rethread: Stations are *sob* so hard to play against

bjsaust

07-02-2009, 09:50 PM

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Tried some stuff last session. Didnt work so well. Not helped by a cooler though. Got better at picking spots as I went I think. I'll post some up later. I think part of my problem is once I decided I needed to play more aggressive, I started looking to do it almost all the time, instead of just sometimes. Still some trouble pulling trigger on third barrel without good reads though. Ahh well, up $30 after being down 2 buyins after settling down a bit.

Been thinking. Much as I want to put in a huge month and make lots of profits, I'm thinking July I might put a real focus on improvement. I've got some things I really want to focus on, and been reading old threads on ideas to help people improve. Means I wont get as many hands in, but hopefully I'll still move to 200nl and get some profits there. Probably start posting hands specific to areas I'm trying to improve in.

I've been pretty addicted to playing lately, and only so much time available, so we'll see how I go trying to balance it, but going to try to skew that balance to learning this month.

Just playing to improve.

bjsaust

07-02-2009, 10:18 PM

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Ok, lets post some that worked and some that didnt:

Hand 1

Backdoor NFD plus I can bluff a spade:

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($105)
CO ($194.55)
SB ($105.53)
BB ($105.26)
UTG ($69.32)
MP ($209.98)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8

, A

2 folds, CO bets $4, Hero calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 3

, K

, 7

(2 players)
CO bets $6.77, Hero calls $6.77

Turn: ($23.04) 10

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $15, 1 fold

Total pot: $23.04

Worked.

Hand 2

Villain has very wide range and is capable of folding postflop:

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($139.70)
SB ($181.63)
MP ($17.10)
UTG ($125)
Button ($57.32)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10

, J

3 folds, SB bets $3.50, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($8) 6

, 2

, 4

(2 players)
SB bets $5.70, Hero raises $18, 1 fold

Total pot: $19.40

Worked.

Hand 3

Table just turned HU, no reads seems taggy. Figured he has a very wide weak range and I can blow him off. River seemed good since his calling range has to be tiny there, but it seems he had it.

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($119.38)
Button ($99)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

, 6

Button bets $2.50, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6) 8

, 4

, 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2, Hero raises $6, Button calls $4

Turn: ($18) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $11, Button calls $11

River: ($40) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $30, Button raises $60, Hero folds

Total pot: $100

Didnt work.

Hand 4

Villain has wide range pf and I have position. Float flop with backdoor draws, raise turn with draw planning to fire river if called, but whoops.

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($87.91)
Hero (Button) ($100)
MP ($113.35)
SB ($269.80)
UTG ($155.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K

, 2

1 fold, MP bets $3, Hero calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 4

, Q

, J

(2 players)
MP bets $5, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($17.50) 10

(2 players)
MP bets $12, Hero raises $36, MP raises $93.35 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $89.50

Didnt work.

I think I like 1-3 well enough, problem with hand 4 is if he can think then my range isnt that great on the turn. Did I call pf and flop with AK? Or a gutshot with 89? Also AK is still in his range. Probably just fold pf?

Been back and read this thread: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...87.html#838927

Part of the problem is that I dont have such a wide aggressive range that I can play like recommended. I dont really want to completely 180 my game overnight to be a mega-lag like that either, so I can apply some things, but not others. Probably try to pick some brains on thoughts on it all.

Part of my problem trying to open up and play aggressive stealing game, is I find it difficult not to be results oriented. If something works then I obviously picked a good spot, and if something didnt work then I obviously picked a bad spot. Thats why its really important to work on ranges, which is a lot of what my 'improving' time will be devoted to. 'Wide range' and 'Tight range' really arent good enough.

Just playing to improve.

bjsaust

07-03-2009, 08:06 AM

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Gruesome session, -$362 with aiEV of -$24, yes nearly 3.5 buyins below in EV in a single session. Bleh. Fun start to the month.

Just playing to improve.

bjsaust

07-03-2009, 09:48 AM

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Think in general I've been trying to overdo things making some moves, so got to balance that more. That said, heres a hand that I think I got right, but maybe someone disagrees:

Villain is 23/13 with 56% fold to cbet. I've noted two hands where he's called in the blinds with a medium PP and called on A and K high flop cbets. Both those times I shut down (prev session), so I plan to double/triple barrel him in the right spots:

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($100)
BB ($100)
MP ($70.07)
Button ($192)
UTG ($140.82)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

, 5

3 folds, Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6) J

, 8

, 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($14) 10

(2 players)
Hero bets $8, BB calls $8

River: ($30) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $23, BB calls $23

Total pot: $76

Results:
Hero had K

, 5

(one pair, Jacks).
BB had K

, 10

(two pair, Jacks and tens).
Outcome: BB won $74

Sigh. Did the second J mean I should slow down, or did he just station me?

Just playing to improve.

Robb

07-03-2009, 10:27 AM

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If I was villain, I'd have folded - I think you picked a decent spot.

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daven

07-03-2009, 10:46 AM

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Did the second J mean I should slow down, or did he just station me?

the turn T means your line makes no sense anymore, the second J simply confirms. What would you play like this besides AdKd? one card to the straight, paired board, you'd be blocking/check-calling/check-folding even aces here, right? how about AJ?

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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07-03-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

Did the second J mean I should slow down, or did he just station me?

You really think villain is capable of this leveling?

My Operation and FTR Rethread: Stations are *sob* so hard to play against

kmind

07-03-2009, 12:59 PM

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What's up with your preflop sizing? I probably triple as well as played but I don't even get involved with a cbet tbh. Boards drawwy/he doesn't fold/we have a bleh hand.

griffey24

07-03-2009, 01:53 PM

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That board is pretty brutal to barrel. Don't barrel in spots where their calling range can be super strong. In this spot, he can definitely be flatting 9x on the turn, and you're just owning yourself. Also, very little of his turn calling range is folding the river. What hands do you reasonably expect to call this turn and fold most rivers? (maaybe something like 7xdd, KQdd or something - but even then, the diamond got there now).

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