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PLO = the best cash game. Looking forward to your posts.

Good luck. Hopefully you can get to 200PLO soon and we'll match wits!

Me too me too

Oh and I saw your freeroll Swigg, nice, I had the exact same thing happen yesterday but I had the NFD and it hit on the river. Those feel good.

GL swiggidy. i had a night job for a little bit last year, and played probably the best p0ker right after i got home from it...was so focused on finding a way to quit that!

but i've been intimidated about learning a new game like PLO, since i'm still learning hold em...will be interested in reading you're updates/progress/thoughts.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Me too me too

Oh and I saw your freeroll Swigg, nice, I had the exact same thing happen yesterday but I had the NFD and it hit on the river. Those feel good.

speaking of freerolls, I had a 3 way pot with 78TJ, 2 diamonds on a 69T board, 2 diamonds against 2 opponents all in on the flop with a bare 78 and no diamonds. I hit the case 8 FTW.

Had another hand TT87 on a T96 board. Ship it!

Yea, I've really had to learn how to slow down with only the nut straight and no redraw to bigger hands.

Thanks guys, it's been fun so far.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Yea, I've really had to learn how to slow down with only the nut straight and no redraw to bigger hands.

What limit are you at?

Originally Posted by swiggidy

Thanks guys, it's been fun so far.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Yea, I've really had to learn how to slow down with only the nut straight and no redraw to bigger hands.

What limit are you at?

$25 or $50

PLO? me too, me too!

Assuming you have read SS2 (as all PLO players surely must have), what did you think about the holdem section? Seemed like such a weird unadvocated style, definately one that would get you lynched on here!

Triple draw? WHat a game!!!

Played a bit last night and someone capped the bet and took 5 on the second draw!

Originally Posted by gingerwizard

PLO? me too, me too!

Assuming you have read SS2 (as all PLO players surely must have), what did you think about the holdem section? Seemed like such a weird unadvocated style, definately one that would get you lynched on here!

Triple draw? WHat a game!!!

Played a bit last night and someone capped the bet and took 5 on the second draw!

I think the holdem section was great when written, but I think you can do much better now by reading forums, other books (e.g. NLHT&P), etc. You can't fit in a book the amount of thinking/discussion that I've read here and obviously the book can't adapt (as the game is adapting).

Doyle's statement that "I'm ok getting my money in behind because I'm free-rolling from previous steals" is very interesting, but I haven't thought about it enough to personally comment.

I played triple draw at a home game, it is quite fun. Everyone loves to draw at home games so I lost 2 big pots where I stood pat with a 76 and lost to someone who drew 2, 2, 1 but completed their 75 on the river

We have quite a little contingent of players learning Omaha right now. I made a few Omaha vids for the contest but didn't feel as if I explained myself well enough in any of them and therefore will not be submitting them.

I think we should organize an FTR Omaha game with me, you, ginger, salsa, korn, zenbitz, etc...

Something like $25 or $50PLO would be cool.

sounds like a good craic

Originally Posted by swiggidy

Originally Posted by gingerwizard

PLO? me too, me too!

Assuming you have read SS2 (as all PLO players surely must have), what did you think about the holdem section? Seemed like such a weird unadvocated style, definately one that would get you lynched on here!

Triple draw? WHat a game!!!

Played a bit last night and someone capped the bet and took 5 on the second draw!

I think the holdem section was great when written, but I think you can do much better now by reading forums, other books (e.g. NLHT&P), etc. You can't fit in a book the amount of thinking/discussion that I've read here and obviously the book can't adapt (as the game is adapting).

Doyle's statement that "I'm ok getting my money in behind because I'm free-rolling from previous steals" is very interesting, but I haven't thought about it enough to personally comment.

I played triple draw at a home game, it is quite fun. Everyone loves to draw at home games so I lost 2 big pots where I stood pat with a 76 and lost to someone who drew 2, 2, 1 but completed their 75 on the river

ZOMG. So I figured i'd try a couple of hundred hands in the super system style.

1. It's exciting and fun
2. People really back off from you at first
3. You make loads when you connect
4. You can get spiked big
5. Getting spiked gets you MORE action!

I've never had such a breathtaking 300 hands. The only thing i didnt try was playing big pairs slow preflop. Raising 54o UTG is a little unerving, but when the flop comes down you see the genius of it. First time it happened i flopped trip fours 447 board. I mean thats a full stack winning hand because no-one believes you would raise it UTG.

I also shoved over a flop bet with bottom pair and a flush draw. Got called and missed. From there I couldnt even deal with all the action I was getting from some players, but was still getting plenty of auto pots from the chickens. Tightened requirements with a couple of gear changes in between and I was 2 stacks up only 3 tabling after 90 mins. That almost never happens to me and certainly not with the hands i was pulling it with. I mean you feel pretty ropey calling a reraise with T9s, but I really got paid off when i hit, and only lost the pf stuff when i missed.

Maybe the multimillionaire, 9 WSOP bracelet holding, hall of famer knows something we on FTR don't.

^^ stakes/site?

I was running 30/20 at 50NL in January at Stars. I got less action than normal because people were scared to tangle with me. When the cards got a little cold the aggression quickly turned into spew.

50NL, Everest.

Im gonna import the hands and have a look at how I was running.

Originally Posted by gingerwizard

50NL, Everest.

Im gonna import the hands and have a look at how I was running.

I'm not trying to shit on your statement. Against opponents who will open up pre and continue to play bad post-flop it's a fantastic idea.

Well I guess Everest is the place for me! I posted some of the hands in the Hand history forum. Maybe I ran insanely good. Never made so much in 50,000 hands though.

Ughh, ran bad today. This was a fun hand. I bet river because I wasn't folding.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($27.50)
BB ($5.90)
UTG ($35.95)
Button ($19)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, J, Q, A.
1 fold, Button calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, BB calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3) K, 7, Q (3 players)
Hero bets $2, BB folds, Button calls $2.

Turn: ($7) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button calls $5.

River: ($17) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button raises to $11, Hero calls $3.

Final Pot: $39

Board [:Kh: :Qc: ]
Seat 1: Hero mucked [:Kd: :Js: :Qh: :Ad:]
Seat 5: Button showed [ :Ac: :Jd:] and won ($37.10) with a straight, Four to Eight

Why bet river if you're not folding? Or to ask a better question why not put him all in if you were always calling the push. The blocking bet sucks if you call the push over (which you have to after you make the blocking bet).

Originally Posted by gingerwizard

Why bet river if you're not folding? Or to ask a better question why not put him all in if you were always calling the push. The blocking bet sucks if you call the push over (which you have to after you make the blocking bet).

bah, good point. On the turn betting if you're planning on calling is good because of FE. I guess I didn't want to have to consider making the fold if he pushed. FWIW, this villain never has a set here.

Wait, he just had a naked gutshot on the flop?

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, pot the flop plz Swiggs, especially at this level. The difference in the $2 vs the $3 in terms of implied odds is a big deal. It's the difference of him calling $3 to win 24 or $2 to win 23. If we pot the flop it makes calling for a him a mistake while he can call the $2 profitably if you are going to stack off easily which looks to be the case on a dry board.

I Pot the flop and then bet $7 into $9 on the turn. That would leave the pot at $23 on the river and villain with only $8 left.

Or you pot the flop and either c/c the turn or c/bomb it.

Yes, ty spenda. I kicked myself after I posted it.

Still trying to shake some NL habits

Fun at 25PLO, button just went on monkey tilt having gone from $50 to $10 in the last 4-5 hands.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1147397

Yeah, I should have pushed pre-flop rather than call/call, but whatever, I'm a donk

Erm, how come we are reraising with that hand pf? I'm not saying it's bad, but since I would never do this I'm interested to see if my thinking (and therefore my overall aggression) is wrong.

Originally Posted by gingerwizard

Erm, how come we are reraising with that hand pf? I'm not saying it's bad, but since I would never do this I'm interested to see if my thinking (and therefore my overall aggression) is wrong.

Tilting player so I raised to isolate and gambol. In a vacuum this is terrible. Even with my read it isn't that good. I'm taking my 55-60% edge and (hopefully) dead money.

I've been unemployed for the last month and barely played at all, wtf?

I have a more stable goal, make more /hr at poker than I do at my new job (which I start Mon). So, my goal is $30/hr. This will require:

1) me actually playing hands consistently and seriously focusing
2) becoming a profitable player
3) me rebuilding my role
4) moving up 25 -> 50 -> 100 (minimum)

#1 - This may not happen for awhile. I'm working the 8-5 and have a gf + other activites for the summer. After Oct 1st neither of these should be a hinderance (so I may have a ton of time).

#2 - will probably fall out of the concentrating part. I find when I pay close attention I make good decisions (especially against micro-stake donks). However, I need to make sure I'm not just auto-piloting hands, especially in games I'm not a proven winner

#3 - will fall from #1 & #2. If I'm putting in hands and playing well I may re-deposit bump my roll after Oct

#4 - also falls from the previous 3. However for this to be successful I need to learn how to think about what ever poker I'm playing, identify problems, come up with solutions, then implement. Gl, me.

I was making $8/hr/table at 50NL in Dec. I feel like my best shot at my goal is making 5BB/100 at 100?L. I would be happy to be there by Xmas.

Yea, the month I took off from work I played 5k hands. Something about not having to do anything that doesn't lend itself to actually doing anything.

let us gogogogogogo

K, #1 is done, a week early too.

#2 - this is hit or miss. I was playing 10PL with spenda yesterday and def not paying attention. Although the loose passives kinda forced me to tighten up anyway.

I do a good job adjusting quickly between tight passive, loose passive, and nitty opponents. I have almost no experience playing against LAGGs or even really TAGGs for that matter. Probably my biggest weakness.

Where I stand:
PS: $420 (leftover from by 100NL beating I took in Jan 07)
AP: $65 - they kindly gave me $10, I ran it up to $30 then got smacked the fuck down by variance. They kindly gave me $10 again, going better this time
??: A secret small site where I sports bet. Not really fooling anyone cuz I have the same screenname, lol. Rarely more than a handful of Omaha tables at at time Also this is my sportsbetting roll kinda, mostly replenish that with some poker.

I play 25PLO at stars, 10PL at the other two sites.

I've been making about $20 a night 2 tabling for a couple hours. Bouncing between 6max and full ring (I adjust well to that too).

Spenda is a fish.

I'll try and post some hands. Most are super duper standard.

I aint no fish, that was a pretty tough $10PLO lineup I must say.

Wait, am I really a fish? I think I got mad at you for one calldown but I wasn't managing my image well enough so your play was prolly pretty good, I just hate when I bluff in good spots but still get called. I think you had a set on a 9TJxx flush board.

Anywho, you obv. weren't used to blind-aggression but you adjusted quickly. IMO you have da skills to beat $50PLO, now get up there and do it!

oh yea Im a fish but Swiggs is old

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

oh yea Im a fish but Swiggs is old

touche

I would post some of our hands if I wasn't too lazy to look them up

Here's a fun hand that was HU

Poker Stars - Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 2 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

BB: $8.65
Hero (SB): $30.85

Preflop: Hero is dealt K J A 8 (2 Players)
Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $2.25, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.50) K 7 3 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.00, BB raises all-in to $6.40, Hero calls $2.40

Turn: ($17.30) 9 (2 Players - 1 All-In)

River: ($17.30) 3 (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $17.30 ($0.85 Rake)

BB had Q Q A 6 ([Qc Q A 6h] (two pair, Queens and Threes)) and LOST (-$8.65)
Hero had K J A 8 (two pair, Kings and Threes) and WON (+$7.80)


Random thought of the day
raise everything playable at micro stakes to 3BBish. It forces most players hands

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Anywho, you obv. weren't used to blind-aggression but you adjusted quickly. IMO you have da skills to beat $50PLO, now get up there and do it!

lol as I donk off 4 buy-ins at 25PLO

Stars is not the same kind of game as AP or smaller sites

mainly I'm not respecting bets enough

bleh, I sit down and have a LAg on my right on each table, spew off one buy-in. Loose a standard flipament on the other. They leave and I pound on the table for an hour and make back almost one buy-in. Sigh. I don't think I can handle grinding any $10 limit at stars so I'll be playing other sites for awhile.

Fun hand of the night:
Poker Stars - Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $9.80
BB: $5.50
UTG: $10.05
MP: $8.60
Hero (CO): $13.20
BTN: $11.95

Preflop: Hero is dealt 8 9 K A (6 Players)
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to BB

Flop: ($0.65) A 8 J (2 Players)
BB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.65

Turn: ($2.15) 4 (2 Players)
BB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

River: ($2.55) 5 (2 Players)
BB folds

Pot Size: $2.55 ($0.10 Rake)

My stars roll is down to $160, lol I sux.

I have a hard time differentiating between agro and card hot players at microstakes. I think they're mostly card hot.

I hate my poker life.

Biggity Bump:

Don't take that second pic seriously, the previous thread isn't worth viewing again.

Well, I've been playing somewhat consistently for a couple months now. I like this title so it's the thread I'll stick with.

Omaha kicked my ass. 20 buy-ins is NOT sufficient. I switched to 25FR back in the spring, partially to clear the PS bonus, and partially because I was going to vegas in the summer and wanted to get back in the holdem mindset. I ran up some sum of money and then lost it all. It felt like an uber cooler + some tilt but I never reviewed the hands so I dont actually know.

Switched back to 6max about 2 months ago. I play about 10k hands a month (full time job). I just recovered from a 10 buy-in downswing which I'm forcing myself to review, hence the bumping.

BR: 750

It also gives me a place to post stupid hands like this...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (UTG) ($22)
MP ($23.05)
CO ($53.10)
Button ($28.65)
SB ($24.30)
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, K
Hero raises to $1, MP raises to $3.50, 2 folds, SB calls $3.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $22 (All-In), 1 fold, SB calls $18.50

Flop: ($47.75) 7, 8, 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($47.75) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($47.75) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $47.75 | Rake: $2.35

Results in white below:
SB had K, 3 (one pair, threes).
Hero mucked A, K (high card, Ace).
Outcome: SB won $45.40

Here's a repost of September results:


I know this is a small sample, but 25NL is LOL easy so something's likely wrong. Starting at 5k I only won $40 in showdown pots and lost $230 in non-showdown pots. So it's likely a small/medium pot thing, but I'm going to start with the big hands. Even if this is a cooler it looks like my leaks are just masked by getting paid a lot.

2 pair all-in on turn, counterfeited on river
AA vs QT on 98J 6 board in 3bet pot

Hand 1: Villain was unknown at time. Call and get it in on turn?
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($25.40)
Button ($5.50)
SB ($37.75)
Hero (BB) ($23.35)
UTG ($17.15)
MP ($27.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, Hero raises $1.25, 1 fold, CO calls $1.25, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.75) 6, 3, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO raises $7.50 (14 behind), Hero...

Hand 2: Didn't have a solid read here either. Pretty common that I sit at a table with 5 new players
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($31.45)
Button ($29.60)
Hero (SB) ($22.70)
BB ($4.55)
UTG ($14.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K
1 fold, MP raises $1, 1 fold, Hero raises $3.40, 1 fold, MP calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.25) 5, Q, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP calls $5

Turn: ($17.25) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($17.25) K (2 players)
Hero bets $5 (9.50 behind), ...



Lost 45/55 on flop

ok, the next 3 are all bad, I'll post those tomorrow.

just passed 25k hands at 25NL 6max. Things are going much better so far this month. I also just passed my previous peak before going on the huge downswing.

BR: 800

Also, 1k points from clearing the $240 40% reload. So that + more winnings should put me around $1200 for when I start 50NL.

1 i go allin

2 i just shove w les than a psb left

swigggggidy, at least we both suck at poker together!!!!

Originally Posted by givememyleg

swigggggidy, at least we both suck at poker together!!!!

and when we combine our powers we can suck at many different kinds of poker

Hand 3 - Villain had only been at table 1 orbit but had played every hand and got to showdown 2 with questionable (at best) holdings

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($7.20)
Button ($13.90)
Hero (SB) ($34.50)
BB ($14.15)
UTG ($27.75)
MP ($15.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
1 fold, MP raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.25) Q, 4, Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $12.50 (All-In), Hero calls $12.50

Turn: ($31.25) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($31.25) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $31.25 | Rake: $1.50

Results in white below:
Hero had J, J (two pair, Queens and Jacks).
MP mucked 9, 5 (two pair, Queens and nines).
Outcome: Hero won $29.75

Hand 4

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($34.45)
UTG ($25.15)
Hero (MP) ($25.15)
Button ($24.60)
SB ($24.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, J
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.25) 10, 6, 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.25) 10 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.25) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $5.25 | Rake: $0.25

Results in white below:
SB had :Jh: :Jd:
Hero had :Jc: :Js:
Outcome: Hero won $5

I'd bet at least $2.50 on the river.

Haven't played much for last 10 days. Life kinda got in the way.

Less than 10k hands from clearing $250 bonus and taking second shot at 50NL (the first being in 2006).

Playing in a live $50 tourney with 50-100 people this weekend. Interested to see how it's setup, although a guy I work with likes it and I don't think he's completely clueless.

Shitty day, down 2 buy-ins. One suckout, the other misc missing of boards. Oh well, maybe the FTR300 will be better...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $3.00+$0.30 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) (t2039)
SB (t610)
BB (t1675)
UTG (t1720)

Hero's M: 45.31

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
2 folds, Hero raises to t88, 1 fold, srojitas calls

Flop: (t191) Q, K, 8 (2 players)
srojitas checks, Hero bets t123, srojitas raises to t390, Hero raises to t657, srojitas raises to t1368 (All-In), Hero calls t711

srojitas: :Jc:

Turn: (t2927) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2927) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Or not

.

GL in your tourney!!

Gay hand imo GL swigggg