No Pokah Here

True. I'd save the click it back stuff when we have a shit ton of equity.

Originally Posted by kmind

True. I'd save the click it back stuff when we have a shit ton of equity.

Is 73% not a shit-ton?

Didn't matter, it was going in anyway (based off villain, timing, and actually seeing hand). I thought it was likely a flush draw, and whatever flush draw wasn't folding, so figured I might get something else to stick around.

Fuck this game. Fuck it right in the ass. After losing 3 straight 75/25s I'm back to $650 and am now showing a -$50 profit for 2 months, 20k hands. Sure it's a small sample, but WTF. I'm not grinding for a year just to show a $1000 profit and "oooh I can beat fucking micro-stakes".

Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck

I've never shown any ability to consistently beat any game or stake, post UIGEA. So even if I somehow magically get to $1k why would I be a successful 50NL player, let alone at a stake where I would actually make money.

Only 2 things are keeping me from quitting.
1) 700 points till $250 bonus. Which apparently just like the last fucking one will only cover the downswing I have right before I clear it
2) I don't have shit else to do with my life. Anything I think of costs money which is my biggest problem.

FUCK!!!!

Ok, so a little calmer today

Part of what got me is that my Roll is at the same level it was 2 months ago. But, even though I'm on a sharp 6 buy-in downswing I should be up 8 buy-ins. About 4 are legit loss, the other 4 are playing shitty at Omaha, or playing some donkaments because I'm tilting. I'm not going to be able to play this week, except maybe tomorrow. In the meantime will cashout some of my sportsbook roll which I"ve just been dragging my feet about.

Really I have some issue with tilt. A couple beats don't bother me much, but when I can't swing a winning session for a couple days (only 2kish hands) and I see others posting 50NL & 100NL questions that make me it gets to me. Partially it's a time issue which makes it hard to grind hands. The other part is a sense of entitlement which is wrong, but there.

Grinding sucks balls...

Did I post under your ID?

I 100% get you man.

if you weren't my arch nemesis I'd offer some words of encouragement

Originally Posted by zook

if you weren't my arch nemesis I'd offer some words of encouragement

If you weren't such a hippie I might even care.

Successful 50nl shots soon. Beware.

Originally Posted by swiggidy

If you weren't such a hippie I might even care.

hai adam

lol zach

played a ton of FR yesterday because I got sick of running like shit. Started running way better, weee.

This hand is awesome, IMO

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($33.95)
Button ($11.15)
SB ($27.70)
BB ($21.80)
UTG ($28.70)
Hero (MP) ($50.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) 6, 5, J (2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button raises to $10.15 (All-In), Hero calls $8.15

Turn: ($22.65) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($22.65) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $22.65 | Rake: $1.10

Results in white below:
Button had :Ts: :Jd: (four of a kind, Jacks).
Outcome: Button won $21.55

Also, just reached new peak since I got HEM and 200 VPP from bonus that will push my BR over $1k. Woot.

FUn and profit!!! All same villain in a span of 6 hands (villain 40/10 with a 0.5 aggression)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($27)
SB ($37.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q
Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2) Q, 2, 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.75, SB calls $1.75

Turn: ($5.50) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4

River: ($13.50) A (2 players)
SB bets $5.25, Hero raises to $20.25 (All-In), SB calls $15

Total pot: $54 | Rake: $1

Results :
SB mucked :As: (two pair, Aces and twos).
Outcome: Hero won $53


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (3 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($52.40)
BB ($21.60)
Button ($25.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 8
Button raises to $1, Hero calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.25) 2, 8, 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.75) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button calls $3

River: ($10.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button raises to $11.25, Hero calls $6.25

Total pot: $33.25 | Rake: $1

Results in white below:
Button had (high card, Jack).
Outcome: Hero won $32.25

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (3 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($68.15)
SB ($21.35)
BB ($8.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, 7
Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) J, 3, 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB raises to $4.25, Hero raises to $9, BB calls $3.60 (All-In)

Turn: ($17.80) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($17.80) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $17.80 | Rake: $0.85

Results
BB had (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $16.95[/color]

hey, swig! Guess who 2 spaded you're thread!

hai5

I misclick 5 spaded it, real question is who hates you enough to 1 spade it!?

Spenda, Jerry, or anyone who appreciates a serious attempt to get better at poker (aka not this)

Played 4k hands the last 2 days, which is a shit ton for me. Ran 22bb/100 and finally cleared the July reload bonus, so I basically doubled my roll.

Played 500 hands of 50NL. I 3bet more, which is going to happen because people are actually raising now. I was way more aggressive than normal, which isn't good. I basically played nitty and it paid off the last couple days so I kept kicking myself for "getting fancy".

Now I need to go read a bunch of stuff on 3betting, probably subscribe to CR, and learn some real pokerz.

Here's my 25NL graph which started at the beginning of July and is predominantly 6max. I ran awesome at some FR to help pull me out of the last dip.



Here are my 6max stats:

shipppppppppppppppppppppppppp adammmmmmmmmmm

congrats nig

Villain just sat down, so nada

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($23.65)
UTG ($27.30)
MP ($16.30)
Button ($36.35)
Hero (SB) ($22.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.25) 4, 5, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, UTG raises to $4, Hero raises to $10...



EZ right?

I'm calling. Looks like weird two pair, weird straight or a low set a lot more often than something with shitty equity (2 outter). Since he should be beating us now or have somewhat nice equity I'd call and try to extract more on turns that diminish his equity in half.

this is what i dont get, when i play cash games I tend to be aggressive/cah-razy enough that the opportunity for my op overvaluing 66 or even A5 here makes it an ez 3 bet. Especially since it looks bluffy in the context of all mah bets!

prolly fold

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

prolly fold

Your only saying this because I posted it. Which is possibly fair.

In general, does taking another card for a cheep turn really make sense in Holdem? It's pretty standard in Omaha, but it's much more likely someone has a draw.

Rilla, that's not a factor because he has no reads on me either.

no, I'm saying it b/c I'm assuming we have, at best, like 60% equity and we're drawing dead/slim here a lot

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

no, I'm saying it b/c I'm assuming we have, at best, like 60% equity and we're drawing dead/slim here a lot

Dang. During the hand I forgot that it was a limp/call. I would def call and see a turn. Never folding flop here.

ooo dang is right and spenda is right. spenda is dang?

THIS IS SO FUCKING AWESOME!!!!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($32.75)
CO ($6.45)
Hero (Button) ($23.65)
SB ($24.75)
BB ($37.80)
UTG ($33.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
1 fold, MP raises to $1, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, MP calls $3, CO calls $3

Flop: ($12.35) 6, 4, 3 (3 players)
MP checks, CO bets $2.45 (All-In), Hero raises to $8, MP calls $8

Turn: ($30.80) 7 (3 players, 1 all-in)
MP bets $20.75 (All-In), Hero calls $11.65 (All-In)

River: ($54.10) 5 (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $54.10 | Rake: $2.60

Results in white below:
Hero had K, K (straight, seven high).
MP had Q, Q (straight, seven high).
CO had J, J (straight, seven high).
Outcome: Hero won $22.60, MP won $22.65, CO won $6.25

lets tilt together

lol @ hand

Well, obv I suck at updating. I haven't played that much since then anyway.

I've gone to two live tourney's in the area (hosted by same group). There format pretty much blows, essentially doubling blinds. But for 1 1/2 hours there is some poker to be played. That being said, I busted early in both

They also have 200NL cash (with 1/2 the table <50bb and the conscious half usually over 150bb) which should be hugely profitable. I ran like crap today, am down about $300 overall

Then I came home and played 500 hands of 50NL and won 5 buy-ins

BR is over $1.5k, woot.

FUCK YEAH!!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($51.55)
BB ($32.25)
Hero (UTG) ($48)
MP ($72.15)
CO ($46.90)
Button ($22.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9, 10
Hero raises to $2, 4 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.25) 7, 6, 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.25) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

River: ($14.25) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $26, BB calls $25.25 (All-In)

Total pot: $64.75 | Rake: $3

Results:
BB mucked Q, K (flush, King high).
Hero had 9, 10 (straight flush, ten high).
Outcome: Hero won $61.75

More gheyness

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($51.70)
SB ($87.60)
BB ($63.20)
Hero (UTG) ($54.25)
MP ($55.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
Hero raises to $2, MP raises to $3.50, 1 fold, SB calls $3.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10, MP raises to $30, SB calls $26.50, Hero raises to $54.25 (All-In), MP calls $24.25, SB raises to $78.50, MP calls $1.30 (All-In)

Flop: ($165.85) 4, 5, Q (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($165.85) 2 (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($165.85) 3 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $165.85 | Rake: $2

Results:
SB had A, K (straight, five high).
Hero had A, A (straight, five high).
MP mucked 9, 9 (one pair, nines).
Outcome: SB won $83.25, Hero won $80.60

K, I feel better now

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($37.90)
Hero (MP) ($87.45)
CO ($50)
Button ($51.25)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($52.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, A
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, 3 folds, BB calls $2, UTG calls $2

Flop: ($7.75) K, 5, 5 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5, 1 fold

Turn: ($17.75) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $15, BB calls $15

River: ($47.75) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $25.50, Hero raises to $51, BB calls $4.45 (All-In)

Total pot: $107.65 | Rake: $3

Results:
BB mucked K, J (full house, fives over Kings).
Hero had A, A (full house, fives over Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $104.65

Today is fun (possibly my biggest pot ever)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($55.20)
SB ($48.45)
BB ($78.30)
UTG ($32.70)
Hero (MP) ($98.55)
CO ($71.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, J
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($8.50) J, 8, 4 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, CO calls $6, 2 folds

Turn: ($20.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $15, CO raises to $33, Hero raises to $90.55 (All-In), CO calls $30.95 (All-In)

River: ($148.40) A (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $148.40 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero had J, J (three of a kind, Jacks).
CO mucked 8, 8 (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: Hero won $145.40

So did uz lernz pokah yet?

Originally Posted by bigred

So did uz lernz pokah yet?

flop sets, get paid

your sex is on fire

Originally Posted by zook

your sex is on fire

<3

dominating

and what zook said, great song

i saw u at one of my tables..but then u left. You were scared werent u.

Originally Posted by AnTman_69

i saw u at one of my tables..but then u left. You were scared werent u.

SN?

It was prob a shitty table, select better?

You're playing Holdem now???

What happened to Omahahahaha???

Good luck with it Swig.

Itss Antman_B89. Numbers at the end coz for some strange reason..theres other antmans out there. GL with it...race to 100nl?

I was unknowingly playing Omaha under rolled. I've been working with a couple FTRers on HE so there's more motivation.

Originally Posted by AnTman_69

Itss Antman_B89. Numbers at the end coz for some strange reason..theres other antmans out there. GL with it...race to 100nl?

In theory that's a great idea, except I have a full time job and I don't want to be pressing at all because I've finally found a groove (or finally ran hot). GL though, and it's the same SN on AIM if you want to chat.

I cannot play FTR games. It's ridiculous. When I was getting near the 50NL bubble I kept blowing $20-50 here and there (this was prop bet stuff). My BR stagnates and it tilts me. Then I look at my HEM graph and I'm like WTF, I'm winning monies.

Now I'm getting close to 100NL and doing it again.

DON'T FUCK AROUND WITH YOUR MONIES!!!

I'm down $200 over the last 10 days or so from 2 FTR games at 25NL, and playing some 1/2 with a friend. Dang, limit is weird.

That's all. If you're trying to move up protect your monies.

~Swig

So people always talk about BR management as a function of the number of buy-ins. Another thing to consider, especially for the people moving up, is preservation. If you don't know that you can beat your stake, or are getting ready to move up stakes you really can't afford to be messing around with your money (see above post). Ironically, the same "it's chips not real money" mentality that is necessary at a poker table can cause problems away from the table.

So I only started playing 50NL a week ago or so. I consider myself "at 50NL", even though my skill set is not really developed for 50NL, it's still developed for 25NL. So, I donk away 4 buy-ins at a FTR 25NL game (2 buy-ins at "my current level"). Then today while I'm adjusting I make a couple bad plays to lose a couple more, run into a couple coolers, and generally don't hit shit. Now I'm down 8 buy-ins for the weekend.

Looking at my roll, or my HEM graph is a little painful. I feel the "can you actually beat this level" mindset creeping back and I've only been here 6k hands. Clearly this is absurd, but it shines a light on two things. One is that I clearly value the money in my roll, even though I don't think of it the same as the money in my bank account. Two, while it is rewarding to "have fun" with this "free money", it is no where near as rewarding as moving stakes, and improving my game. So, when I have a goal (play a lot of hands, move up) that's difficult to achieve anyway (because of full time job) I really can't afford to toss around $100 of my online roll, "just for fun". It's not even the money, but the fact that the money represents steps towards a goal or in this case slipping away from this goal.

Moral of the story for those "in development". Everything you do with your roll affects your progress. You have to pay as you're learning, and any misuse of funds has the same huge affect on your short term win rate as a couple coolers.

To reward you for reading that, here's one of my favorite hip-hop songs. I turned the beginning into a ring tone (assigned to incoming calls):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSszWXkDHa8

Here's my picture of the day from the gallery:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/photos/....php?pos=-1335

Dropped 4 buy-ins after writing this on nothing but coolers, and the worst possible flops.

Fuck you Jerry "Dude, don't play 25NL, you'll move up so much faster if you play 50NL and be a balla" Gator

BOOMSHAKALAKA