M2M's Mini OP: 6 Day Grindathon *COMPLETE*

I will NOT be betting you for $75. That would be just stupid of me.

I'm in for $100.

This should be fun.

Boog690 your $100 bet has been confirmed. Please enjoy watching me suffer.

hmmm , good luck . I'm in my own mini race needing another 212.54 Vpps to retain sliver star for the next two months. normally running 40-50 per day so should make it,but watching Gobbatino in a sweat tonight so less for me today.
Out of interest ....when exactly is the deadline ? is it midnight on the 31st in each persons local time zone or in a specific time zone.?

Since I know you wouldn't be taking bets against you if you weren't positive it was +EV then I'd bet against. But you'll be winning this so ez game.

i'll take $10 of action, not cos i want $10 from you - but cos i want you to actually do this and maybe the extra $$ will be good incentive?

edit. No stars account. Best of luck anyway! Bring your a-game every hand.

About how many hands is this?

Originally Posted by lolzzz_321

About how many hands is this?

20k if its fullring

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

Out of interest ....when exactly is the deadline ? is it midnight on the 31st in each persons local time zone or in a specific time zone.?

Being that M2M lives in the eastern time zone, it is probably in that time zone.

Originally Posted by lolzzz_321

About how many hands is this?

According to Spoonitnow's VPP Calculator, it's 20862 hands.

Yeah, on top of that I will probably play 25nl near the end of the day or if I doomswitch 50nl then it looks like I'll play 25nl for the entire week..which would be about 30k hands I believe.

The deadline will be in EST time.

FWIW I average about 26k hands a month playing cash, so I'm essentially putting in my monthly volume in 6 days.

confirming for $100

iopq your $100 bet has been confirmed.

I am still open for another $100 total of betting, will accept smaller bets as well. The odds still remain at 1:1.

2273 hands down today, up a couple buyins, though could be alot more if I coud find my fold button.

I think I need to pay more respect to bets in general, but especially large bets on later streets.

408.85/4002.60 VPPs cleared.

4000 hands, +$400ish.

Might grind some later, might not.

Day 1 recap:

5000 hands. + $375. 870 VPP's collected.

I am so ridiculously tired, I hope I wake up tomorrow.

sucker's bet imo. I'd cheer for ya m2m, but itd be like cheering that the sun came up this morning. Thats not to belittle the challenge, its just i dont think theres any chance you can't do this, especially considering you have bets on it.

You will not make your goal


you jackass!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rdgdlUByas

Afternoon folks.

I slept for 12 hours last night :/ so I don't think I'll be able to put the volume in like I did yesterday. I guess I'll shoot for 3k and see what happens.

Gah! I've got some mad leaks. Time to get them identified more clearly.

Here's a common spot I play very poorly and usually just station bets like these off because 'lol pot odds call' is my most favorite line ever.

So what's our plan here? How many streets of gay bets are we willing to call? At what point would it be best to fold? Are we raising anywhere at all? Is calling down 3 streets here okay given the bet sizing and the fact that we're dealing with an unkown - we all know there's been those times where villain shows up with 7 high here.

No stats or reads on villain, he just sat down, so he doesn't have much information about my range either, and given his weird buy in and the way he played this hand he's likely pretty bad, maybe not as bad as me tho :P

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($60.70)
SB ($26.25)
BB ($60.80)
UTG ($104.50)
Hero (MP) ($60.60)
CO ($94.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, J
1 fold, Hero bets $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.50) Q, 4, 5 (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($5.50) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero calls $2

River: ($9.50) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $3.50

This is probably a pretty standard call down..just wanted to see what you guys thought. This is full ring by the way, theres just a few players sitting out.

Day 2 recap:

4000 hands down at 50nl. Up a buyin maybe?

1728/4002 VPP's collected thus far.

NO MORE SPLASHING CHIPS AROUND ITS TIME TO GET SERIOUS AND PLAY SOLIDDD

Damn, wish I could grind out more than 1k hands a day. Good luck M2M!

Originally Posted by Nutty McMutt

Damn, wish I could grind out more than 1k hands a day. Good luck M2M!

ty sir

3200 hands today - 2000 of them were 25nl. Played alright, might be back for more later but I dunno.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

3200 hands today - 2000 of them were 25nl. Played alright, might be back for more later but I dunno.

25nl barely rakes in the vpps

Originally Posted by AFchung

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

3200 hands today - 2000 of them were 25nl. Played alright, might be back for more later but I dunno.

25nl barely rakes in the vpps

Yeah it was pretty awful. When I checked how many I got it didn't even look like the numer had changed. So me wasting time at 25nl = more potential for boog690 and iopq to win this bet.

gl m2m!

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Originally Posted by AFchung

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

3200 hands today - 2000 of them were 25nl. Played alright, might be back for more later but I dunno.

25nl barely rakes in the vpps

Yeah it was pretty awful. When I checked how many I got it didn't even look like the numer had changed. So me wasting time at 25nl = more potential for boog690 and iopq to win this bet.

Too late to place a bet?

Worst day of poker ever

-7 buyins

Why is that these regs continue to call 4bets with the most ridiuclous hands and run so hot...I hope I make it to the long run.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Worst day of poker ever

-7 buyins

Why is that these regs continue to call 4bets with the most ridiuclous hands and run so hot...I hope I make it to the long run.

dude, you can crush to 100nl NEVER 3 or 4-betting hands other than AK/QQ+. They probably realise that your 4-betting range is fos, or they know that 79s has great equity against your 4-bet range, especially if you're giving them implied odds. And if you're only 4-betting these monsters then just 4-bet=shove.

Also, a-game? Not worth destroying a bankroll grinding out some prop bet...

Flatting 4bets is like the new thing to do at full ring apparently:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($42.40)
MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($50.75)
Hero (CO) ($132.95)
Button ($83.65)
SB ($52.95)
BB ($61.25)
UTG ($50.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K
4 folds, Hero bets $1.50, Button raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $13.50, Button calls $9

Flop: ($27.75) 8, 9, K (2 players)
Hero bets $13, Button raises to $32, Hero calls $19

Turn: ($91.75) K (2 players)
Hero bets $44, Button calls $38.15 (All-In)

River: ($168.05) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $168.05 | Rake: $3

Results:
Button had 8, 8 (full house, eights over Kings).
Hero had A, K (three of a kind, Kings).
Outcome: Button won $165.05

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($50)
BB ($21.60)
UTG ($130.50)
UTG+1 ($57.10)
MP1 ($46.80)
MP2 ($53.20)
MP3 ($49.55)
CO ($52)
Hero (Button) ($77.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $2, 3 folds, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 3 folds, CO raises to $52 (All-In), Hero calls $44

Flop: ($106.75) 10, 4, 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($106.75) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($106.75) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $106.75 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero mucked A, A (two pair, Aces and tens).
CO had Q, Q (full house, Queens over tens).
Outcome: CO won $103.75

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($57.45)
MP1 ($54.35)
MP2 ($56.10)
CO ($57.80)
Hero (Button) ($50)
SB ($49.45)
BB ($50)
UTG ($101.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q
5 folds, Hero bets $1.50, SB raises to $6.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $15, SB calls $8.50

Flop: ($30.50) A, 5, 4 (2 players)
SB bets $34.45 (All-In), Hero calls $34.45

Turn: ($99.40) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($99.40) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $99.40 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero mucked A, Q (one pair, Aces).
SB had 10, J (flush, Ace high).
Outcome: SB won $96.40

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($51.70)
Button ($103.50)
SB ($53.25)
BB ($24)
UTG ($40.75)
UTG+1 ($58.90)
MP1 ($57.05)
Hero (MP2) ($50)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9, A
3 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, Button raises to $5.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $13, Button calls $7.50

Flop: ($26.75) Q, 3, 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($26.75) J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: ($26.75) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Total pot: $26.75 | Rake: $1.30

Results:
Button had 9, A (one pair, threes).
Hero had 9, A (one pair, threes).
Outcome: Button won $12.70, Hero won $12.75

In the KK hand although it looks like I played it like shit this guy has so much garbage in his range my shove was intended to be for value.

I played like shit today too. FML.

OK I played the AK hand like shit.

In the A9 hand that was my first 4bet. AQ was obviously for value when the guy 3bets 10%, and that's not even accouting for postional adjustments.

I managed to finish off the day at -5.5 buyins instead of the doomswitch 7 I mentioned earlier.

How am I supposed to defend against crazy 3bettors if I never 4bet?

FWIW that A9 open in MP was due to balance the fact I had been super nitty the last few orbits.

Dude, if you're on an uber-grind then you should be staying out of 3-bet and 4-bet wars. Your a-game is likely to be a little absent, so just play new-school-TAGnit-ABC. Go for 14-11-3 (3 = %3-bet), with about 75% fold to 3-bet or something.

Hand 1 - AKs. 4-bet sizing in AK hand? nothing wrong with folding, shoving, or 4-betting to $10. All reads dependent. Once he raises the flop it should be apparent that you're fucked, you shouldn't be seeing a turn. His range is AA+. His call of the 4-bet is standard deep and in position.

Hand 2 - nh. 80-20 isn't 100-0, beats happen.

Hand 3 - Meh, i don't like the 4-bet. When you say for value, what do you mean? Value against his 3-bet-call/5-bet range? what you mean is that you're ahead of his 3-bet range, that doesn't make the 4-bet a value bet. You folding to a shove?

Hand 4 -

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

FWIW that A9 open in MP was due to balance the fact I had been super nitty the last few orbits.

worth about nothing dude, open fold. Who cares if you've been super nitty for a few orbits, that doesn't mean you should start playing badly. As played fold to the 3-bet.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

How am I supposed to defend against crazy 3bettors if I never 4bet?

tighten your open range up loads, then widen your 4-bet range. 4-bet appropriate hands, 89s is way better to 4-bet than A9o, if you don't understand why then think about reverse implied odds, how 89s does against a calling/5-bet range, vs A9o, etc. Pick appropriate spots. Focus on the situations where villain's 3-bet range is weak. Etc.

daven did a great job of covering this, so thank you sir.

Man I wish I wasn't so completely plastered last night that I couldn't even find my computer. 4betting when people have a wide calling range is a very high variance move, which is what you want to avoid when uber-grinding. You still got this man! Make sure you're in the correct state of mind the next time you open those tables, and pwn!

you wanna know my stats for this 'grindathon'?

12/10 with a 32% ATS and a 3% 3bet.

I don't see any wars going on, most of the time I am 4betting the nuts it just so happens I lightened up a couple times.

sorry if I seem pissed but I really appreciate the support you guys are giving me.

In H1 villain's range is definately wider than AA+. He's gonig to flat my 4bet with anything suited/paired basically. The reason I made it slightly larger was due to our effective stack sizes.

In H3 I was 3betting with the intention of calling a shove. This guy was a nutcase with a 11% 3bet or something ridiculous and he was basically playing like every other aggro tag at this level who won't take shit from anyone. I've seen him c/r the river in a 4 way pot to some absurd amount when he was repping basically air - he got called and showed down bottom pair or something. He's been 'defending his blinds' ridiculously and I saw him 5bet shove on another table bvb. On the flop when he opened shove I fist-pump snap called, and I'm not kidding.

Originally Posted by daven

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

How am I supposed to defend against crazy 3bettors if I never 4bet?

tighten your open range up loads, then widen your 4-bet range. 4-bet appropriate hands, 89s is way better to 4-bet than A9o, if you don't understand why then think about reverse implied odds, how 89s does against a calling/5-bet range, vs A9o, etc. Pick appropriate spots. Focus on the situations where villain's 3-bet range is weak. Etc.

I was thinking in terms of just fold equity. His 3bet range was very wide and I was assuming that he would be continuing very tightly. For example, because I have the A blocker in my hand, he can only have 3 combos of AA instead of 6. I was actually expecting him to fold..but surprisingly he called :/. Am I thinking about this incorrectly?

I'm pretty much never, ever, ever '4bet bluffing' ever again because clearly everyone feels the need to 'protect their 3bet' by calling (I had 4 other 4bets called this session I had AK or better each time) with shitty hands trying to outflop someone with limited implied odds.

Roll is still $3700 so I'm not busto yet

Originally Posted by daven

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Worst day of poker ever

-7 buyins

Also, a-game? Not worth destroying a bankroll grinding out some prop bet...

Any time I try to play more just to earn pts, grind bonus or w/e, I play horrible. If you've got $3.7k in roll, go learn 100nl and make gold-plated-iridium-covered-marble-tungsten-platinum-sterling-nickel-cadmium w/e next month.

Originally Posted by Robb

Originally Posted by daven

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Worst day of poker ever

-7 buyins

Also, a-game? Not worth destroying a bankroll grinding out some prop bet...

Any time I try to play more just to earn pts, grind bonus or w/e, I play horrible. If you've got $3.7k in roll, go learn 100nl and make gold-plated-iridium-covered-marble-tungsten-platinum-sterling-nickel-cadmium w/e next month.

Please ignore this for two days and do this awesome thing you're attempting. If I know you at all I know you aren't destroying your BR in 6 days of grinding.

Originally Posted by Robb

Originally Posted by daven

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Worst day of poker ever

-7 buyins

Also, a-game? Not worth destroying a bankroll grinding out some prop bet...

Any time I try to play more just to earn pts, grind bonus or w/e, I play horrible. If you've got $3.7k in roll, go learn 100nl and make gold-plated-iridium-covered-marble-tungsten-platinum-sterling-nickel-cadmium w/e next month.

I can see how not being on my A-game affects my play. I think the first thing I lose, especially with the monkey regs, is patience, and it is something I am going to have to control over the next 2 days as well as I can. Thankfully I only have about 3500 more hands to go, so this should be really, really easy - I even have time for breaks

Thanks for stopping by my op rob. As soon as this ridiculous bet is over I have serious plans regarding study and working my ass off in August to get better so I can prepare myself for 100nl and make those gold-plated-iridium-covered-marble-tungsten-platinum-sterling-nickel-cadmium w/e next month. (I really like that line lol).

Originally Posted by Illfavor

Originally Posted by Robb

Originally Posted by daven

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Worst day of poker ever

-7 buyins

Also, a-game? Not worth destroying a bankroll grinding out some prop bet...

Any time I try to play more just to earn pts, grind bonus or w/e, I play horrible. If you've got $3.7k in roll, go learn 100nl and make gold-plated-iridium-covered-marble-tungsten-platinum-sterling-nickel-cadmium w/e next month.

Please ignore this for two days and do this awesome thing you're attempting. If I know you at all I know you aren't destroying your BR in 6 days of grinding.

You know me well. The roll is fine, and it will remain fine. When I grind tonight I'm going to take actual breaks. I think I played 5 hours straight last night trying to get unstuck and managed to come back a little bit, but it could have been better.

272 more vpps to go.

I have moved down to 25nl indefinitely due to running very, very bad while not playing my best.

I refuse to discuss any plans regarding future bankroll considerations with respect to moving back up to 50nl.

I had some plans for August regarding HU but they are now cancelled indefinitely as well.

The next post in this blog will be a picture of me repping my Platinum Star. Might as well ship the monies now. Thanks for reading.

Originally Posted by JKDS

sucker's bet imo.

gj m2m, now go play a video game or do a crossword or something.

congratulations , now get some sleep.

Thanks guys.

fwiw, my final +6ish buyin session was spent with this playing. thanks to whoever it was for posting this in the SHNL forum as it eliminated all spew:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bb8P...eature=related

Now I'm gonna go eat and not click a mouse repeatedly for a change.