|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Hand of the day:
PokerStars Game #12707896101: Tournament #64475421, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2007/10/18 - 20:07:44 (ET)
Table '64475421 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: stupidkid888 (20145 in chips)
Seat 2: mr_am_no (37668 in chips)
Seat 5: mclaughlin04 (42735 in chips)
Seat 6: Avi_Tristan (30094 in chips)
Seat 8: LER4T (55154 in chips)
Seat 9: cellmax (84204 in chips)
stupidkid888: posts the ante 125
mr_am_no: posts the ante 125
mclaughlin04: posts the ante 125
Avi_Tristan: posts the ante 125
LER4T: posts the ante 125
cellmax: posts the ante 125
mclaughlin04: posts small blind 600
Avi_Tristan: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Avi_Tristan [Ac Ad]
LER4T: folds
cellmax: raises 2400 to 3600
stupidkid888: folds
mr_am_no: calls 3600
mclaughlin04: folds
Avi_Tristan: raises 6000 to 9600
cellmax: folds
mr_am_no: raises 6000 to 15600
Avi_Tristan said, "i have chips now, dont **** with me!"
Avi_Tristan: raises 14369 to 29969 and is all-in
mr_am_no: calls 14369
*** FLOP *** [8d Kd 2s]
*** TURN *** [8d Kd 2s] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [8d Kd 2s 6c] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Avi_Tristan: shows [Ac Ad] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
mr_am_no: shows [Jd Ah] (a pair of Kings)
Avi_Tristan collected 64888 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 64888 | Rake 0
Board [8d Kd 2s 6c Ks]
Seat 1: stupidkid888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mr_am_no (button) showed [Jd Ah] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: mclaughlin04 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Avi_Tristan (big blind) showed [Ac Ad] and won (64888) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 8: LER4T folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: cellmax folded before Flop
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
saw flop|saw showdown
MP1 (t1523)
MP2 (t2961)
MP3 (t14124)
Hero (t3906)
Button (t12349)
SB (t15538)
BB (t1821)
UTG (t11553)
UTG+1 (t3700)
Preflop: Hero is CO with , . UTG posts a blind of t200.
UTG+1 calls t200, 1 fold, MP2 calls t200, MP3 raises to t800, Hero raises to t3906, 1 fold, BB calls t1721 (All-In), 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t3500 (All-In), MP2 folds, MP3 calls t3106.
Flop: (t13733) , , (5 players, 2 all-in)
Turn: (t13733) (5 players, 2 all-in)
River: (t13733) (5 players, 2 all-in)
Final Pot: t13733
Results in white below:
SB doesn't show.
BB has Ac Qc (one pair, queens).
UTG+1 has Tc Td (one pair, tens).
MP3 has Js Jh (one pair, jacks).
Hero has Kd As (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins t13733.
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Ok
Things I picked up along the way;
-actual strategy doesn't matter, odds matter.
-experience prevails
-trust your gut instinct
-be aware (as Mad Eye Moody would say: CONSTANT VIGILANCE!). be aware 24/7 at the table.
-fold is your best friend
-bet/fold is your next best friend (this one costed me my second 4,40 180 FT in two straight days)
-you are the weakest link
-HUDs are for pussies
-slowplaying is for pussies
-don't fold (reasonable hands) in big pots [unless your gut instinct screams fold. then you fold]
-book the win (unless the game is reaaaaaaaly good)
-stop loss is unnecessary. just stop playing when your A-game abandons you
-don't regret getting your money in good ever
-don't berate others
-seriously, don't berate others for bad play
-respect others
-in a tourney, if you are ahead 2:1 early for a double up, take the chance
-find the maniacs, love the maniacs
-always mind discounts
-really, always mind discounts
-fold KJ. "Hey its sooooted". Shut up and fold it. "Hey, I would've had a royal flush!" Shut up and fold it. "Hey, its my favorite hand! My name is Krister Johansson!" Shut up and fold it, you idiot. The only way you gonna play this shit is with discounts.
-when some short stack pushes all in pf, someone cold-calls, don't ever raise the cold caller out if you don't have the rockets. Ever! Not with AK, not with AQ, not with motherfucking KK. Not EVER! This is practically the only NEVER EVER in all of poker.
-when your aces have been cracked by the umpteenth time, just sit back, relax, and fire up "Free Bird" by Lynyrd Skynyrd at full volume. Be sure to get this specific song
-sometimes, the right decision is not (may not seem like) the logical decision
-if you don't "feel like playing", don't
-don't chase bonuses for the bonuses sake. your game will suffer as a direct consequence
-do not count rakeback as profit. instead, do not think about rakeback at all (just be sure you are getting)
-leave "police-ing" to cops, you are not teh bluff patrol
-do everything in your power to feel comfortable in your home base
-don't be tight for the sake of being tight
-be like water. flow where you can flow, mind the blocks and carefully, slowly, erode them
-do not worry about your stats. worry about your play
-do not worry about your roll during a hand
-do not worry about your goals during a hand
-do not worry about your girlfriend during a hand
-do not worry about your dog during a hand
-luck exists, and it comes in streaks. so when someone is getting hit by the deck, you don't fuck with him, 'cause he'll take you down. conversely, when luck is hitting you, max it
-flop minraises= It 98% a flopped made hand, like a made flush/straight/fh/set, and 2% bluff. Really. Obviously, its nothing when the minraising villain always minraises.
im constantly updating this post, so be sure to look back once in a while
more later
POST# 987 weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
-fold is your best friend
-bet/fold is your next best friend (this one costed me my second 4,40 180 FT in two straight days)
-HUDs are for pussies
-slowplaying is for pussies
-don't fold (reasonable hands) in big pots
-stop loss is unnecessary. just stop playing when your A-game abandons you
|
these are my favs
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
kmind
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Not Giving In
Posts: 4,234
|
|
Someone explain the HUD for pussies argument please. How can this be a bad thing when you take notes on your opponents and have this as a bonus for your reads? I am really eager because if I hear valid points then I'll stop using it.
|
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Quick answer: You'll become dependant. Your decisions are then going to be heavily distorted when you don't/can't have a hud. Try using it on Cake Poker (or in a live game)
I'll post a better answer when I'm back. Have to go to a party (my sis's birthday).
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
kmind
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Not Giving In
Posts: 4,234
|
|
Thanks. Eagerly awaiting the more detailed response.
|
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Here goes:
- You'll judge people by stats. You really don't need stats to see who's tight, who's weak, who's aggro, who's passive, whose nitty, who not to play a big pot against, who has it, who's bluffing etc.
- Playing with HUDs will decrease your ability to play without one (dependency)
- Certain HUD stats are clouded (specially the beloved reraise)
- Train your mind instead. This is really important for me, since I really want to go big in live poker.
- Your reads will suffer, since you can't trust them if the stats don't correspond
- People can manipulate stats to deceive you into calling (LAGS)
- Your reads will suffer, since you will start depending on HUD stats instead, and you will be giving less importance to your own (subconsciously)
- Generally, you'll feel unprepared and scared whenever in a situation in which a HUD isn't available
- Game selection is much, much, much more vital
The 1 statistic, which really is the most important one in all of online poker, is the "players per flop" number. And you know exactly what it stands for.
Take notes to remember wtf villain did in any given situation, but don;t rely on the numbers to tell you what to do. Rely on your play, his play and your reads.
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by martindcx1e
Deleted by myself
|
Why did you delete it, Martin? Its fine if you leave it. We're friends, and friends help each other in good times AND in bad times.
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
kmind
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Not Giving In
Posts: 4,234
|
|
I see your points but I think this is general assumptions. For me, personally, a HUD only adds to reads as I take notes all the time on villains.
Keep crushing man!
|
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
And I bubble again. Goddamn 4,40's!
I bubbled because I didn't listen to my gut-instinct. It screamed fold, but I had to push. Sure enough, AJo vs ATs (BUT THEY WERE SOOOOTED), T doesn't hit, and I'm out in 20-something. You guys may even check me out at officialpokerrankings.com to see that I'm not lying (second bubble in a row).
In other news, without counting UB bonuses (but counting tower and stars bonuses pending clearance), I think I'm $900 ish (+ $215 tourney dollars I still don't know what to do with).
I'll be playing lots of tourneys hereforward, with at least 1 $4,40 180 and the nightly $20K guaranteed daily.
I'll be freerolling in them (Only after I make the $15 daily I'll play).
I'll also try to sat my way into the $530 sunday million this week (again, freerolling into the sats).
Actually, anything I play (sng's, mtt's, sats, shootouts, whatever), I'll make the monies first with ring then play it
Obviously, I'll try to keep pwning micro omaha.
Things will get interesting this week.
Lets turn the volume up.
(POST #999! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee)
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
daven
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by jack sawyer
Lets turn the volume up.
|
kill it dude!!
sounds like a load of variety to your games, careful
I've got a few thoughts on the HUD thing, I'll post them here once they make sense. I'm playing without on Pacific at the moment, after using it on the other sites.
Roll is still under $1.5k, but should be heading to full tilt for the $600 shortly. Just need to find time to get some hands in...
|
|
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by martindcx1e
Deleted by myself
|
Why did you delete it, Martin? Its fine if you leave it. We're friends, and friends help each other in good times AND in bad times.

|
i just felt like i was focusing too much on it ya know?
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
(+ $215 tourney dollars I still don't know what to do with).
|
i know what to do with them
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, my dear and beloved readers and buddies...
I'm happy to announce I crossed the $1k mark (plus the 215 T$ martin knows what I should do with ), and fittingly, this also marks my 1k post.
I failed miserably HU in a 4,40 (despite being the shortstack literally the whole table), arrived HU with a 4:1 chip deficit and succumbed AK vs TT, ten made river set to my flopped two pair. It was a pf race, but if I call and apply FE, I can get him to lay the TT down on flop. Stupid me.
1 step closer to 2K. I'll post my cash game graphs later.
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|



|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
nice going jack. really cool man. hopefully within a couple weeks i'll be back on board at 25nl with about 25-30 buy-ins praying for some hands to hold up lol.
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
I think spots like this one where top pair (usually T or higher) pairs on the turn are great to bluff on since people don't normally check top pair on the flop, and even if they think I am bluffing they have to commit a lot of chips to find out. Thoughts?
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($9.05)
UTG+1 ($10.40)
MP1 ($10.85)
MP2 ($20.55)
LP ($5.45)
CO ($11.25)
Hero ($13.85)
SB ($9.90)
BB ($4.00)
Pre-flop: ($0.15, 9 players) Hero is BTN
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.1 ($20.45), LP calls $0.1 ($5.35), 1 fold, Hero calls $0.1 ($13.75), 1 fold, BB checks ($3.90)
Flop: ($0.45, 4 players)
BB checks ($3.90), MP2 checks ($20.45), LP checks ($5.35), Hero checks ($13.75)
Turn: ($0.45, 4 players)
BB checks ($3.90), MP2 bets $0.45 ($20.00), 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.2 ($12.55)
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Before bluffing, you have to analyze first if the pot is worth bluffing at.
While the spot is great to bluff, the pot is small enough that villain can give up without too much of a fight.
The key is in building a big pot first, then bluff the villain out. You need reads to know what ranges villain can lay down to what flops + turns (and rivers)
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
grnydrowave2
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Showin' mah Pokemans
Posts: 651
|
|
Congrats, Jack. Keep us posted, and do something with those tourney dollars FFS.
|
|
<SrslySirius> Hal Lubarsky, my nemesis.
<SaltLick> are you seriously losing to a blind guy
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
Before bluffing, you have to analyze first if the pot is worth bluffing at.
While the spot is great to bluff, the pot is small enough that villain can give up without too much of a fight.
The key is in building a big pot first, then bluff the villain out. You need reads to know what ranges villain can lay down to what flops + turns (and rivers)
|
you never bluff small pots? there's quite a lot of money to be made from picking up many small pots.
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
I only bluff at small pots to set up future plays, but the actual value of the pot is trivial for me (as in, if I expect to bluff and win the small pot). In fact, in omaha I bluff at small pots all the time, but only to set up the future plays, not intentionally to scoop up the current pot.
The smaller the pot the better your hand has to be to continue.
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
i'm not sure what you mean by bluffing only to set up future plays. if you mean that it helps you keep up an aggressive image i can agree with that, but to me that's a side effect. in the hand i posted i have to win the pot at least 58% of the time for the play to be +EV (i think i win much more often than that). shouldn't our decisions in each hand be guided by what is most +EV?
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Bluff to set up future plays:
iBluff (like in the posted hand). villain calls. River goes check/ check. I show down K-high, villain shows down 9's with a Q kicker.
A few hands down the road, I flop a full house. I play with the exact same betting pattern, except this time I bet the hell out of that turn. He figures I did it once with a K-high (or an observant opponent who saw me bluffing in the previous hand), I am certainly capable of that again. We win a stack.
Its the only reason I would bluff in such a small pot (since its small, the size of my bluff is also small).
In general, I go after big pots. I don't bluff for the sake of winning the current pot. I bluff for the sake of winning 180+BB pots.
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
Well I guess it's just not possible for me to not run like absolute crap. I know I wasn't gonna whine anymore but I just went through an 11 buy-in downswing at 10NL. You'd think I'm the worst player ever. I just don't get it. I feel like a freaking psychic sometimes. I am so much better than these guys. I get these loser donkeys into the worst spots and they gladly try to give me their chips. Their terrible play being constantly rewarded combined with set under set 3 times = me losing $110 at 10NL. I really can't believe it. I'm at a loss for words.
EDIT: At least I might break even from rb this month. I'm still freaking pissed though!
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by martindcx1e
I am so much better than these guys.
|
There is no room for ego at the tables Martin. It might reflect itself in your play. Just stay focused, and love bad beats (?). They will eventually even out.
Gotta love RB, I may need to start playin' in one of my RB accounts
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
daven
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by martindcx1e
but I just went through an 11 buy-in downswing at 10NL. You'd think I'm the worst player ever.
|
that's horrible. Glad you're at least getting some rakeback!
I should be depositing at full tilt shortly (next week perhaps?), will see you on the $10 tables for a few hands until I get used to the interface, and you get the deserved heater to $25 and beyond!
Not sure what to play there, think it will likely be $50NL FR, but I'm only just getting comfortable with $50 pots and not sure how i;ll deal with putting $50+ in the middle with any regularity, so maybe some more time at $25 first. Realising that I'm better at FR than 6-max. Time to get a decent monitor and start 8-tabling. What's rakeback/100 at $10 and $25 like?
|
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
I forgot how much these hurt.
Average stack less than 8K.
PokerStars Game #12886474866: Tournament #64650447, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2007/10/27 - 20:46:23 (ET)
Table '64650447 92' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Avi_Tristan (10922 in chips)
Seat 2: newspaperman (16310 in chips)
Seat 3: COMODO82 (9775 in chips)
Seat 4: spanky703 (10485 in chips)
Seat 5: P-MAN1234 (2515 in chips)
Seat 6: DocMontle (7225 in chips)
Seat 7: D-Van (15355 in chips)
Seat 8: brasil1606 (9210 in chips)
Seat 9: laugh@me (2475 in chips)
Avi_Tristan: posts the ante 25
newspaperman: posts the ante 25
COMODO82: posts the ante 25
spanky703: posts the ante 25
P-MAN1234: posts the ante 25
DocMontle: posts the ante 25
D-Van: posts the ante 25
brasil1606: posts the ante 25
laugh@me: posts the ante 25
DocMontle: posts small blind 150
D-Van: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Avi_Tristan [As Ad]
brasil1606: folds
laugh@me: folds
Avi_Tristan: raises 700 to 1000
newspaperman: folds
COMODO82: raises 2300 to 3300
spanky703: folds
P-MAN1234: folds
DocMontle: folds
D-Van: raises 3000 to 6300
Avi_Tristan: raises 4597 to 10897 and is all-in
COMODO82: folds
D-Van: calls 4597
*** FLOP *** [5d Kd Jh]
*** TURN *** [5d Kd Jh] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [5d Kd Jh 6s] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
D-Van: shows [Kh Ks] (three of a kind, Kings)
Avi_Tristan: shows [As Ad] (a pair of Aces)
D-Van collected 25469 from pot
laugh@me said, "oj dear"
D-Van said, "wow.."
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 25469 | Rake 0
Board [5d Kd Jh 6s Tc]
Seat 1: Avi_Tristan showed [As Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: newspaperman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: COMODO82 folded before Flop
Seat 4: spanky703 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: P-MAN1234 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DocMontle (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: D-Van (big blind) showed [Kh Ks] and won (25469) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 8: brasil1606 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: laugh@me folded before Flop (didn't bet)
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by daven
What's rakeback/100 at $10 and $25 like?
|
For 10nl it's something like $5 per 1k hands (so that's like 2.5bb/100), and 25nl isn't much different...just slightly higher.
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
fun hand:
PokerRoom (Cash Game): $0.15/$0.15 PL , 2 players
Tue Oct 30 02:23:00 VET 2007
Powered by Poker Academy (Format: BBCode)
Hero (160 bb's)
SB (101 bb's)
SB is the button.
Precards:
SB posts the small blind 1 bb, Hero posts the big blind 1 bb.
Preflop: Hero is dealt :Jd: :Ad: (2 active)
SB bets 2 bb's, Hero raises to 9 bb's, SB calls 6 bb's.
Flop: (18 bb's, 2 active)
Hero bets 13.3 bb's, SB raises to 26.7 bb's, Hero calls 13.3 bb's.
Turn: 9 8 8 :Kd: (71.3 bb's, 2 active)
Hero checks, SB bets 30 bb's, Hero raises to 66.7 bb's, SB calls 35.3 bb's (all-in).
River: 9 8 8 K :Ac: (203.3 bb's, 2 players)
Final Pot: 195.3 bb's, 6.7 bb's raked
Hero, net: -101 bb's, Lost at showdown, has J A (a Flush, Ace High)
SB, net: 94.3 bb's, Won at showdown, has A 8 (a Full House, Eights over Aces)
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
I only bluff at small pots to set up future plays, but the actual value of the pot is trivial for me (as in, if I expect to bluff and win the small pot). In fact, in omaha I bluff at small pots all the time, but only to set up the future plays, not intentionally to scoop up the current pot.
The smaller the pot the better your hand has to be to continue.
|
example of what I mean:
PokerRoom (Cash Game): $0.15/$0.15 PL , 5 players
Tue Oct 30 04:15:00 VET 2007
Powered by Poker Academy (Format: BBCode)
SB (116 bb's)
BB (76.7 bb's)
B2 (245 bb's)
Hero (306.7 bb's)
BN (120.3 bb's)
BN is the button.
Precards:
SB posts the small blind 1 bb, BB posts the big blind 1 bb.
Preflop: Hero is dealt (5 active)
B2 calls 1 bb, Hero raises to 4 bb's, BN folds, SB calls 3 bb's, BB folds, B2 calls 3 bb's.
Flop: (13 bb's, 3 active)
SB checks, B2 bets 1 bb, Hero raises to 6.7 bb's, SB folds, B2 calls 5.7 bb's.
Turn: :Jd: (26.3 bb's, 2 active)
B2 checks, Hero bets 13.3 bb's, B2 calls 13.3 bb's.
River: (53 bb's, 2 active)
B2 checks, Hero bets 20 bb's, B2 folds.
Final Pot: 50.7 bb's, 2.3 bb's raked
Hero, net: 26.7 bb's, Won uncontested River, has 6 7 (a Pair of Sevens)
B2, net: -24 bb's, Folded River
SB, net: -4 bb's, Folded Flop
BB, net: -1 bb's, Folded Preflop
while I bet 4 streets, the pot was kept relatively small.
if he calls, he'll call me lighter on our future hands (assuming he's been paying attention and will remember this hand lol). If he doesn't, I win a relatively sizable pot with a pair of sevens.
if the pot was unraised pf, I wouldn't even bother, it would be too small and becomes too risky (?) (since I was the pf aggressor, I may get more respect, but my image is pretty shitty)
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
i'll bump this with a fun hand from 25nl...
$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($10.00)
UTG+1 ($34.20)
MP1 ($16.70)
MP2 ($6.00)
MP3 ($9.15)
CO ($12.35)
Hero ($12.15)
SB ($6.75)
BB ($24.00)
[MP2 posted $0.25]
Pre-flop: ($0.6, 9 players) Hero is BTN
UTG raises to $0.5, UTG+1 calls $0.5, MP1 raises to $0.75, MP2 calls $0.5, MP3 calls $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.9, BB calls $2.75, UTG calls $2.5, UTG+1 raises to $20, MP1 calls $15.95, MP2 calls $5.25, MP3 folds, Hero calls $9.15, SB calls $3.75, BB calls $17, UTG calls $7
Flop: ($92.35, 7 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 goes all-in $14.2, BB calls $4
Turn: ($110.55, 7 players)
River: ($110.55, 7 players)
Final Pot: $100.35
SB shows:
BB shows:
UTG shows:
UTG+1 shows:
MP1 shows:
MP2 shows:
Hero shows:
UTG+1 wins $107.55 ( won +$73.35 )
SB lost -$6.75
BB lost -$24.00
UTG lost -$10.00
MP1 lost -$16.70
MP2 lost -$6.00
MP3 lost -$0.75
Hero lost -$12.15
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
givememyleg
|
|
WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
Administrator
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: ISHPERMING MISHIGEN
Posts: 4,995
|
|
wow martin... lol .... why half stacking 25nl?
|
|
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by givememyleg
wow martin... lol .... why half stacking 25nl?
|
i just wanted to give it a try to see what it was like.
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
mixchange
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 1,665
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by martindcx1e
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
Before bluffing, you have to analyze first if the pot is worth bluffing at.
While the spot is great to bluff, the pot is small enough that villain can give up without too much of a fight.
The key is in building a big pot first, then bluff the villain out. You need reads to know what ranges villain can lay down to what flops + turns (and rivers)
|
you never bluff small pots? there's quite a lot of money to be made from picking up many small pots.
|
it's a lot easier to successfully bluff in smaller pots -- weak and medium strength players (including me) will usually fold to a reraise or 3bet with a medium strength hand -- the board can be dry, and people fear 2p or a set. it's the big pots that are much harder to bluff, so you need to time it right usually with a scare. You can take a lot of these pots without much risk, while the bigger pots need more precision and the margin for error is smaller.
|
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
I have not done a lot of poker lately, which is why I haven't updated in a while
I'll be looking to get back on track shortly, and I'll post a massive updateadoodles
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by mixchange
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by martindcx1e
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
Before bluffing, you have to analyze first if the pot is worth bluffing at.
While the spot is great to bluff, the pot is small enough that villain can give up without too much of a fight.
The key is in building a big pot first, then bluff the villain out. You need reads to know what ranges villain can lay down to what flops + turns (and rivers)
|
you never bluff small pots? there's quite a lot of money to be made from picking up many small pots.
|
it's a lot easier to successfully bluff in smaller pots -- weak and medium strength players (including me) will usually fold to a reraise or 3bet with a medium strength hand -- the board can be dry, and people fear 2p or a set. it's the big pots that are much harder to bluff, so you need to time it right usually with a scare. You can take a lot of these pots without much risk, while the bigger pots need more precision and the margin for error is smaller.
|
I still don't agree, but I don't have a good reason right now
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by martindcx1e
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by givememyleg
wow martin... lol .... why half stacking 25nl?
|
i just wanted to give it a try to see what it was like.
|
LOL, quite an action packed table
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
I still don't agree, but I don't have a good reason right now
|
haha well at least you are aware of that.
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
I took a brek from poker.
I had to, uhm, find myself. My confidence was shattered, I simply felt no hand would hold up, etc.
Been really brushing up on the mental aspects of the game, which include being able to withstand beat after beat, without turning into a conditioned gambler.
Been trying my hand at tourney's again, after a long time. The one 180 where I had such a massive chiplead going into 50 players left, my ISP decides to crap on me again (it somehow always craps on me on important situations, such as final table bubble), forcing me to sit out and still come in 12th place. That sucked, big time.
Big update coming soon
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
I took a brek from poker.
I had to, uhm, find myself. My confidence was shattered, I simply felt no hand would hold up, etc.
Been really brushing up on the mental aspects of the game, which include being able to withstand beat after beat, without turning into a conditioned gambler.
Been trying my hand at tourney's again, after a long time. The one 180 where I had such a massive chiplead going into 50 players left, my ISP decides to crap on me again (it somehow always craps on me on important situations, such as final table bubble), forcing me to sit out and still come in 12th place. That sucked, big time.
Big update coming soon
|
i'm right there with ya pal. i'm taking a break and i'm gonna be playing mtt's for a while but really casually like maybe 2 a week or something for now since they can take so much freaking time. gl man. i hope you take one down soon.
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
daven
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
|
|
yeah, sanity. I had my first shot at 50nl, lost $100, then had a bad run at 25nl, losing another$150. Shook me up a little, my poker career had been smooth up until then. So my Fulltilt time has been rollercoaster to date. $600 in and now at $560.... a little rakeback to come I guess, but weird headspace. Only two hands I really hate my play from that pile though, and now it's grind on up again.
Good luck y'all
Peace out.
|
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Bad news. Or slightly unfortunate.
I'm going through some very heavy shit in RL right now (and have been going on since early November (aha, so THAT's why you didn't post in your thread in a while Jack), and I've had to put poker down for the moment (and withdraw, like, 95% of my roll ).
This marks the 3rd time straight that I went to $1500+ that I had to withdraw it all, or most of it, for RL matters. I truly hate my government, I hate bureaucracy, I hate all of it, and I also hate the fact that I couldn't find online poker a little earlier, like in '05.
I feel like Sisyphus.
I don't have an ETA on when I'll be back fulltime.
But, like Schwarzenegger said, "I'll be back" 
I may be down, but never out.
What does this mean? OPS officially on hold for now. Sorry guys.
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
kmind
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Not Giving In
Posts: 4,234
|
|
Much love, Jack. Hope everything is ok in real life and am looking forward to you crushing soon again! Take care
|
|
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
Sorry to hear about your troubles man. Hope you can start playing again soon. Take care man.
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
daven
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
|
|
good luck getting shit sorted dude. And when you do, it's all on! purple rake for all
|
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Tnx guys
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
wesrman
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Leaf Nation
Posts: 654
|
|
Hope all goes well and you get back to it soon...you were doing so good.
Anyway, i enjoyed the read.
Best of luck to you...
|
|
|
|
Jack Sawyer
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by wesrman
Hope all goes well and you get back to it soon...you were doing so good.
Anyway, i enjoyed the read.
Best of luck to you...
|
Tnx for taking the time to read it through.
I have been going through quite a few rough patches, which actually got me into gambling in the first place because of my foresightedness . This "river of shit" just got magnified towards the end of 2007, so while most people were enjoying Christmas I can't say I was.
Services will be resumed shortly. I am undecided as to continue chronicling here or on the FTR Blogs, or on my own webbie. I'll post some sort of formal update soon.
This one was called "Jack's Road to Poker Maturity". I can say, however, for all intents and purposes, that that destination was reached well within the alotted time frame.
Jack will be back shortly... with a vengeance
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

Quote:
|
VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
|
|
|
kmind
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Not Giving In
Posts: 4,234
|
|
we miss ya, Jack. Thanks for all the advice man and hope you are doing well again. Good luck and hope to see you back here for good.
|
|
|