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11-08-2008, 12:08 AM
Post subject: iopq's Operation: get to 100NL
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I've been dicking around way too long. I haven't been grinding hardcore like I should have in the first place. I hope that if I start this operation it will allow me to be more consistent about logging hours, like I used to be. My bonus on FTP is running out, and I will probably go over to Stars next year to get Supernova. That means I have a two months to grind up to 4K dollars as per spoon's recommendations. Wish me luck!
My BR guide:
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Start with about 20 buyins at 2nl or 5nl. This means either $40 or $100. Now, don't put anymore money into your poker account ever. Instead, grind through the limits and get good at poker. Then, the higher you get, take a slightly higher bankroll requirement than the stakes previous so that you better protect your poker bankroll.
When you have $100, play 5nl. (20 buy-ins)
When you have $250, play 10nl. (25 buy-ins)
When you have $750, play 25nl. (30 buy-ins)
When you have $1750, play 50nl. (35 buy-ins)
When you have $4000, play 100nl. (40 buy-ins)
When you have $10000, play 200nl. (50 buy-ins)
If you follow this and regularly play and work on your game, you'll be making a lot of money in less than two years imo.
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Fnord's recommendations on what to look for in my DB:
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Getting 3-bet
4-betting
BN opens you defend
You open from BN
Offsuit broadways
Cold-calling on the button
over-limping on the button
(check) raising c-bets with air
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xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
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I took Robb's advice and put something useful in my first post, I'll be adding more stuff
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I won't bore people with "was running bad, and then I ran good" type of posts, but I did run out of the $600 FTP bonus
I will get slightly more rakeback, but bonus is obviously superior
I need to hurry the fuck up and get to NL 50 at $1750 just to make as much as I did before O.o
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XTR1000
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4-of-a-Kind
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I won't bore people with "was running bad, and then I ran good"
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Thats all I do in my OP. If you´re prone to tilt/reverse tilt writing it down with your feelings about it will help staying on track.
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xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
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I won't bore people with "was running bad, and then I ran good"
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Thats all I do in my OP. If you´re prone to tilt/reverse tilt writing it down with your feelings about it will help staying on track. |
that's what IRC is for
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spoons BR requirements are identical to mine. Plus I agree 100% on the 2 years = success... so long as you work your ass off for the next 24 months! You'll be glad you did.
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I took a shot at NL50 6m, I found a donk willing to donate and made a nice $40
all in all made about $100 minus the $11 buyin for the FTR tournament :((((999999
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I ran sick good at NL50, I was playing half NL50 and half NL25 so I'm almost completely rolled for NL50
tomorrow I'll play mostly NL50 and only the best NL25 tables
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flomo
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Full House
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good luck !!!!!!!
and the avatrap is funny shit
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Protect dog
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Straight
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GL and if thats another dude you definetly got me.
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Spoon kicked me from IRC when I was trying to make a point about taking things for granted. This, combined with a downswing caused by partially bad play made me tilt for like the first time ever. Until I get that under control I will avoid coming into IRC while playing.
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a hot damn mess
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Parkour to you!
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I'll be moving down to NL25 when I hit $1250
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jyms
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Spoon kicked me from IRC when I was trying to make a point about taking things for granted. This, combined with a downswing caused by partially bad play made me tilt for like the first time ever. Until I get that under control I will avoid coming into IRC while playing.
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I know you guys think that IRC is helping and shit. But save the HH's for after your session. Stop paying attention to anything but your poker game when playing. Turn that shit off. You will have better discussion and understanding after playing first and discussing after.
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Spoon kicked me from IRC when I was trying to make a point about taking things for granted. This, combined with a downswing caused by partially bad play made me tilt for like the first time ever. Until I get that under control I will avoid coming into IRC while playing.
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I know you guys think that IRC is helping and shit. But save the HH's for after your session. Stop paying attention to anything but your poker game when playing. Turn that shit off. You will have better discussion and understanding after playing first and discussing after. |
good point this is why I'm not going to go into IRC until after a session
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Just got my $300 back in NL50
god damn, the swongs
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I think I'm shoving over people too much
I should calm the fuck down and stop trying to shove in spots where I'm only called by better
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kmind
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what's your FTP sn? PM if needed.
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you'll never guess
... it's iopq
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I donked off like 3 stacks putting people on draws and crap when they obviously had the nuts
I don't know how the fuck I did that when my goal was to stop playing so retardedly aggressive
of course the problem is that I sometimes stop putting people on ranges and just shovel because lol I have a draw
I'm going to take a break from NL50 and play HU SNGs some more
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I'm playing $30 + $1.50 HU SNGs on tilt right now, pretty successfully
they don't seem ANY harder than the $10 level which I've been a winner at
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Played some more HU sngs
iopq confidence interval for 60% wins and 100 games is 9.6%
iopq 95% confidence
iopq I have about 64% win ratio
iopq so I'm 95% sure to be EV+
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I play HU SNGs very casually. I want to get into a state of mind of something like "I'll play two SNGs and I'll keep going if I feel like it"
of course that sets me up for a trap like "have to play to get back what I lost" or "I want to stop to conserve what I've won" which is not good
but I feel if I just play a HU SNG once in a while by itself (optionally continuing if the opponent is particularly bad) I will be more likely to keep playing without getting bored
my extremely good results in the 30s are encouraging and I'll move up to the 50s when I get 2500 dollars
I'll have to withdraw $200 to pay for taco bell in the meanwhile, but that's like ~30 SNGs
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OhBollocks
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Straight
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Location: Dublin
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The HU 10s/20s/30s all play very similar at FT. I have made a lot of moneys relative to my stakes with HU Sngs and I'm thinking about using them to build the roll up. First though, I would have to learn to handle the higher variance, which Im not a fan of.
Longest winning run = 8
Longest losing run = 3
You?
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Nothing actually changes in a poker game besides equity....
When we can maximize our equity, we will make lots and lots of money.
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I don't keep track of results that much, I just look over them every 20 sngs or so to see how my ROI is doing and so forth
I lost a few SNGs today so my ROI went down to 22%
I think one of my leaks is that I call with a draw without any intention of taking it away on a later street, so I'm playing the draw for the pot odds + implied odds by itself
I have had almost no variance outside of today, I'm never more than a few buy-ins down. In fact I only had variance because the competition had similar skill, most of the people who joined my games were winning players.
Another leak I have is I probably don't use the stop and go or the go and go in correct times. Obviously, when I get short-stacked against an agressive opponent I have to start making these moves or I'll blind away waiting for a hand. But I find that I'm shoving 3x the pot with ace high or with a draw. Since my opponents hit the flop 30% of the time and could possibly call with any pair, I think that's an EV- move.
I also got it in against trips, but that's more of a cooler. I can't expect my opponent to have trips every time. KK9 board good to shove 3x pot into? He's got a 9 or trips less than 30% of the time... but I lose my stack almost all the time.
let's consider the scenario where I have two overcards and he'll call with any pair (but fold better/worse high cards)
I win x when I shove 3x into the pot 70% of the time
I win 4x 25% of the rest of the time
I lose 3x 75%
so I win .7x on fold equity
I win .3x sucking out
I lose .675 when he hits a pair
sometimes he'll hold a pocket pair and call as well
hmm it's break-even with two overcards
so definitely not a good move with 1 overcard
but if I attempt this a few times I can do it with top pair as well and hope for action
probably better to bet normally if I have 3x left and to shove two overcards when I have less than that
at around 2x pot left in my stack and i have 1 overcard (an ace or a king)
I win 1x 70% of the time
I win 3x 13% of 30% of the time
I lose 2x 87% of 30% of the time
again, my folding equity is .7x, my suckout equity is 0.12x, my losses to a better hand are .52x
so I should always shove 2x pot when I have at least 3 clean outs
especially if I can get called by smaller overcards + gutshot or similar hands
hmm that also means I can shove KQ on a ATx board if I have less than 2x pot remaining since I have 4 outs and great folding equity
I thought my move was a mistake in that spot, but it actually wasn't because I have great folding equity against bottom pair and a low pp
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iopq I'm playing a nit hu sngs
Triptizzles lowest variance of any form of poker
I withdrew $200 to pay for Taco Bell so my BR is the same as it was before, but I'll play some more
I hope to log 200 points every day on Tilt
that's how I count how many SNGs I played I think that's 15 a day?
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OhBollocks
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Straight
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I withdrew $200 to pay for Taco Bell
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R u a heffalump?
Btw, guess who has a liitle sharky symbol beside their name on sharkscope. Hint; its not me.
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Nothing actually changes in a poker game besides equity....
When we can maximize our equity, we will make lots and lots of money.
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I had a little 8 BI loss yesterday and today
Although I did regain a few buyins at the end of the session
I guess I was tired, but still decided to resolve to put in a certain amount of hands in anyway
The problem is I can't really trust myself to play enough, so I try to enforce artificial limits. Is it because I don't want to be successful? Do I hate money? Am I going to have to get a job?
I worry for myself.
What if someone read your mind and told you the worst things about you. What would he say? Would it bother you? He would tell me I don't apply myself enough. I don't put forth enough effort. And he would be right.
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I've been playing a lot more ring because it's easier to grind it a ton than grinding HU SNGs. Although I calculated that HU SNGs are more profitable... probably because I'm better at them
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Actually I've been doing really well in ring recently
I 12 tabled no problem
except I can't see shit, captain! maybe I should try cascading
also my idea to install a new chip cover image was terrible because I automatically top up anyway and I accidentally click the thing anyway
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technician
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Join Date: Nov 2008
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over what time frame have you gone from 1424 to 2353?
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it's been exactly one month, I started my OP on November 7 and it's December 7 right now
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
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Hey, gl w/ op. I saw you on a 50nl FR table at FT. You were to my left, but we didn't get in any interesting hands. Said "hi" in chat, but you were probably 12-tabling and didn't notice. I'm 4gooner4 on FT, fwiw.
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Yeah I usually can't catch most of the chat unless it's after a big hand
I hit a downswing in both HU SNGs and 50NL
but it's OK, I DEDICATE to completing my OP by the end of the year
if that means I have to grind 8 hours a day, I'll grind 8 hours a day
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Full House
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Nice work ethic, GL great progress so far, keep it up!
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I was playing some 50NL HU and it finally sunk in
I kept reading about it on FTR, I heard it everywhere, but I still didn't know which hands to choose when to 3b people light
as I was playing I noticed I got hands that I'd raise myself, but since he was on the button he'd raise first and I would tend to fold them
hands like 96s
but then it dawned on me, I should use these hands, which are the top of my folding range to 3b him light since he raises/folds his BU
there was no 4betting going on, but he did flat my 3b a lot so I had to find hands that still had post-flop value to 3b him light with
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bigred
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PROFESSIONAL TROLL
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How does OP play in 3bet pots post flop? 69s is pretty thin in 3bet pots. The good thing is it's easy to let go.
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LOL OPERATIONS
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bigred
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PROFESSIONAL TROLL
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How does OP play in 3bet pots post flop? 69s is pretty thin in 3bet pots. The good thing is it's easy to let go.
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LOL OPERATIONS
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How does OP play in 3bet pots post flop? 69s is pretty thin in 3bet pots. The good thing is it's easy to let go.
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I played with him again and he almost openfolds the flop... itching to fold when he misses
ship the cbets
but he also 4b me super light so I started 3b/shoving way wider, like KJs+, KQo+ because he has odds to call a shove with his usual 87o type of 4b light hand
I know he 4b with an unbalanced range because he flatted AQ after I 3b him (too bad I coolered him on a AJx flop with AJ) so his 4b are mostly weak...
but yeah I'm learning how to play against people who know what beats a straight
but yeah, I flat his raises a lot because he opens like top 80%
but the top of my folding range I'll 3b light and stack off if I hit a pair because he's getting it in with draw + overcards every time
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I had a winning session because IRC told me to stop being a calling station
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I am $140 under EV on all ins 
not only am I playing like shit, I have to be running bad too!
I guess I'm going to go grind out some HU SNGs because all this losing is making me not want to play NL50 anymore
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2007
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GL dude - keep grinding away - it'll turn for you.
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Thanks, Robb, but I decided to make the switch to HU SNGs permanently. I have fallen into the bonuswhoring trap. That's why I played 9 tables of NL50 to clear my IronMan bonus (since I only have one month! O NOES!)
I played two Turbo HU SNGs at the same time for the same effect. I can't focus as well and my winrate goes down. This is what gives me the variance I've come to hate.
This is why I am saying screw full ring and screw turboes. I am no longer going to chase the bonus. I am also not playing good opponents multiple times. Screw getting better, it's $30 SNGs. I can grind up a nice BR and learn to get better later. When I focus in regular SNGs on one table there is probably no one better at my stakes at full tilt. I'm above 1K profits on regular HU SNGs and I pretty much waste it all on ring / turboes.
Woot, I found my leak. When I get better at multi-tasking maybe I'll play two tables.
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oh noes I will probably only have silver this month for ironman! oh well, I'll just take the moneys from actually playing instead
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I went up to $50 HU SNGs! Time to update my operations page
I tried out two and I got two regs that I don't know went 1-1
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Either I ran like God today or I rape face. Maybe it's both. Although I got fucking disconnected and FTP decided not to use my time bank! That's some bullshit right there it was for 30 seconds and I came back to a full time bank and my hand was check/folded
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OK, my ROI at the 50s is sick
part of it is luck
but part of it is never playing tired, always looking the other guy's ROI up, always playing off reads, always putting him on a range, and playing one table
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I just made a guy nerdrage SO BAD
I accidentally slowrolled him because I was taking a really long time to decide between raising and just calling
so I decided to call and he bluffed the river big which I snapped off
then he shoved almost every hand of the next two SNGs and typed "you're an idiot"
"you really are
I played for stacks with AT > A3 pf and top pair > pure bluff on the flop
lol thanks for free $100 that covers the coolers I got
I should pat myself on the back for continuing to play after:
A. I got several buyins up
B. I got coolered
so that I could find some more opportunities for profit
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