Originally Posted by bode

I have some sort of crazy passive tilt i go on where i start calling too many 3bets and bluffing way way way too much. While yesterday wasn't all that, it def. contributed to my worst day ever.

Originally Posted by daven

i will follow with interest... and look forward to mixing it up with ya!
good luck, except in pots with me

Originally Posted by jyms

Renton will help a ton. I had a couple sessions with him and if I hadn't lost my whole BR to the same tilt issues you have I would probably have had a ton more. Both passiveness and misdirected aggression are killers at >$100NL. Drop down for a bit, no shame in fixing what's broke. By the time I came out of my funk I had actually forgotten how to play poker at those levels and had to be re-taught half my game, my mind was a tilted pretzel.

Originally Posted by iopq

I'm racing Ant to 2/4
how about it?! we're all probably at the samish bankrolls

Originally Posted by bode

steaks?

Originally Posted by iopq

mmm steaks

I'm up for a $100 bet to $20,000 as long as like we update each other on how close we are (no actual play at 2/4 necessary, just being "rolled" for it is enough)

then like if you say you are at $10,000 I'll definitely grind an extra hour or two if I'm at say $9000, so making it a race is definitely encouragement

you start ahead of me by about a thousand or so depending on whether you count real estate investments as part of my bankroll or not (I'm not counting that)

Originally Posted by bode

I have almost exactly $8k online right now, which is what i consider my BR. The problem is I have to withdraw $2500 at the end of July and may withdraw another $1k to $1500 at that time to buy my wife a birthday/5 year aniversary/thanks for bearing my child gift. So, if we dont count cashouts, i'm down for a $100 or $200 bet, but if we are then its a no go.

How about $10k profit bet starting today for $200? That will bet better than racing to $20k with all of us starting at different BR's.

Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

I went with close fold to, in the moment I hate life, fold, then curse my nittyness.

Originally Posted by bjsaust

Is it terrible that I've started considering never 4-betting other than shoving OOP?

Originally Posted by bode

villain is 42/36.5/3.1 over 75 hands, has raised 50% of his hands UTG, although its a small sample. My river call is obv bad. I would have raised the flop bigger, but wanted to do everything i could to keep the 60/0 (yes, 0. this was the first hand he raised over 100 hands) drooler in the SB in the hand, who had not folded a flop yet. probly a b/f turn?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

SB ($609.65)
BB ($400)
UTG ($417.35)
MP ($479)
CO ($259.15)
Hero (Button) ($532.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, 9
UTG bets $6, MP calls $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, SB raises to $10, 1 fold, UTG calls $4, MP calls $4, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($42) Q, 9, 10 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $24, 1 fold, Hero raises to $72, 1 fold, UTG calls $48

Turn: ($186) 8 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($186) 5 (2 players)
UTG bets $165, Hero calls $165

Total pot: $516 | Rake: $3

Originally Posted by bode

i dont know wtf to do here. I got a 4bet flatted 3 times during this session and was lost on all of them. 2 were vs regs.

21/16/3.2 7% 3bet over 2.3k hands

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

BB ($235.35)
UTG ($232.85)
MP ($200)
Hero (CO) ($380.95)
Button ($222.55)
SB ($202.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q
2 folds, Hero bets $6, Button raises to $21, 2 folds, Hero raises to $56, Button calls $35

Flop: ($115) 10, K, 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($115) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $66, Hero folds

Total pot: $115 | Rake: $3

Originally Posted by bode

yeah, pretty sure thats terrible.

is there a training vid or something out recently advocating flatting 4bets?

Originally Posted by iopq

nah, CTS wrote about shoving as a 4b
basically, just go around shovelling on people as a 4b all the goddamn time, and you'll get paid when you have a big hand and you'll never get 5b bluffed

so basically we get slightly more fold equity if we shove as a 4b because we can't get rebluffed
what we give up is being able to catch a 5b bluff
so obviously we want to use this strategy against people who 3b a lot because they will never have 35% of their range able to call a 4b shove and if we get 65% folds with equity when called we are making a profit

if we 4b and fold we have no equity in the hand but we need only say 60% folds (depends on size)
if someone is going to 5b bluff 5% of the time, it's worth shoving it in as a 4b bluff because we prevent those 5b bluffs and if we run into the value range we still have tons of equity (when we 4b and fold we have 0 equity in the hand)

so with 100BB stacks it can go either way
when you get deeper, even 110BB, 4bing small gets better

Originally Posted by bode

i don't know, it just doesn't seem right. it also seems like you just pulled a bunch of numbers out of your ass in this post.