Hoopy stops procrastinating

omfg hoopy, post your time updates in the thread DSFJ@$#FRD^TF$#W
I know you need excuses to keep your OP going but come on now

Ya jfc! Also stop being tied/on pace with me all the damn time!

By the way hoopy - on the topic of 3-betting - what is your 3b % at 10NL? I've found that despite a conscious effort to start including a bluffing portion to my preflop 3-bet range, I'm running at a ridiculously low 2.6%.

There are a few dynamics that might be swaying this a bit... For example if I play against opponents who will pfr a good amount but almost never fold to 3-bets (over a decent sample) then it makes little sense to 3-bet bluff them. This much is pretty obvious I guess... I'm thinking my problem might not be finding opponents to 3-bet light against, but finding (probably much more frequently given the level of competition at FTP 10NL) opponents to expand my 3-bet value range against. I'm not at my home computer but I feel like I might be just flatting hands like AQo or AJs to a pfr against dudes running 32/25 who are either spewy or fit or fold post... meh...

Originally Posted by JKDS

Ya jfc! Also stop being tied/on pace with me all the damn time!

@Penney
Just about to eat dinner so I'll respond to your post when I get back as it's something I've been thinking about a lot recently.

At 10NL 6m my 3bet is 3.7% though it varies by position. Highest is BB then SB then CO, I definitely want to start 3betting more on the BTN and folding more in the SB since I play too many hands there. Though in general I don't think having a low 3bet% is a big leak at 10NL.

When we are IP against people who open fairly wide (say a 32/25 in the CO) but hardly ever fold to a 3bet (discount them 4bet bluffing for now) we should first expand our 3bet value range to include hands like JJ/TT/AQ and value town him.

I think how they play post flop matters a lot in deciding the other hands we 3bet. If they are extremely fit/fold then we can 3bet hands that aren't quite good enough to flat call IP like T7s, 53s, 84s, etc but won't be dominated too often, and cbet most boards knowing that he's going to fold so much of his wide range. OTOH if he's a station post flop (eg flats K8s then calls 3 streets on an K hi board) we should add hands like KQ AJ AT to our 3bet range.

Like recently it's been hammered into my head that playing 3bet pots IP is so good especially vs people that don't adjust (AKA nearly everyone at 10NL), so what I'm trying to do is start 3betting more in position gradually at first and 3betting OOP mainly against people who steal a large % from the BTN but fold to 3bets a ton.

Ok I'm posting a hand that I played really bad which I think shows up a lot of my leaks in general, resulted in me feeling annoyed for like 5 mins and playing my C game.

weaktight | Hand | TQo - $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem

Unknown guy who just sat down.

Pre flop is fine.

Flop is good obv, both a c/r and leading out are ok though I prefer the latter. Now my first problem is that I c/r far too small, since he bet 1/3 pot I need to make it at least $1.20. Now he makes a min reraise and clearly the best play is to shove since he doesn't have much of a folding range at this point. Also if another heart comes on the turn I lose so much value from hands that will pay me off now.

Things to take from this
- Always think about the pot odds you offer your opponent (LDO).
- Don't worry about people soul reading you and folding their value range to a slightly big shove, case in point this guy doesn't folds J9 J8 JJ or AhX to a shove here.

So leaks to work on are BET SIZING and FPS'ing less.

A Game = Focused and paying attention to every table; taking notes and thinking how to exploit people. Planning hands and really trying to put people on correct ranges.

B Game = Usually doing other things at the same time as playing, giving up on too many pots and not really thinking about people's ranges deeply.

C Game = Playing my only hand and not really taking any notes or trying hard.

D Game = A brew of tilt and spew.

I'm good at noticing when tilt is affecting me and quit quickly, time to start doing the same if I feel myself playing my C game for more than 5 minutes.

Also whenever playing more than 2 tables I won't do anything else in the background so I can focus properly.

My A game easily slips to somewhere between C and D before I even know it. Taking breaks helps me get focused again. When the breaks stop helping it's time for me to stop grinding. Plus, I suck at note taking.

Originally Posted by supahaole

My A game easily slips to somewhere between C and D before I even know it. Taking breaks helps me get focused again. When the breaks stop helping it's time for me to stop grinding. Plus, I suck at note taking.

Yeah taking breaks helps me as well, usually I play around 500 hands in a session but sometimes if I'm playing well I keep going and vice-versa. With note taking my approach is to just write down facts on how they played hands to start with and later draw conclusions on their tendencies and how they think. Generally the only time I just label people as "Regs" or "Fish" is when their stats indicate it but I haven't seen any shown down hands.

Putting in some good volume later today.

I've been watching loads of videos recently and taking notes and have been sweated by a few people, it's definitely helped my game just having to explain my thought process for each decision. Going to read some more COTW's in the next few days.

Probably going to move up to 25NL soon with 4-5BI stop loss and only playing 2-3 tables so I focus, I'll still play 10NL when I'm not playing great or don't feel like playing 25NL.

In b4 50BI downswing.

good stuff hoopy, damn seems like I'm the only guy from our prop not shot-taking 25 en els yet. I am beating 10 NL for 22.5 BIs as of last night and my roll is over 500, but I still feel like I should be a BR nit and wait until 650 or so before taking a proper shot. I really think I need more seasoning though... being "ready" for the higher stake is like 50% mental so until I'm there I wont set myself up for failure.

If you feel you're ready, though, defo go for it. Rooting for you bud.

Originally Posted by Penneywize

good stuff hoopy, damn seems like I'm the only guy from our prop not shot-taking 25 en els yet. I am beating 10 NL for 22.5 BIs as of last night and my roll is over 500, but I still feel like I should be a BR nit and wait until 650 or so before taking a proper shot. I really think I need more seasoning though... being "ready" for the higher stake is like 50% mental so until I'm there I wont set myself up for failure.

If you feel you're ready, though, defo go for it. Rooting for you bud.

Thanks for the support dude.

I think waiting until you're happy with your game and are in the "right" mental state for playing slightly higher stakes is a really good thing rather than just basing it on BR. Much better to play 10k more hands then evaluate from there rather than moving up when you aren't focused and getting crushed/disheartened.

Hoopy just dropped in for the first time. First let me thank you for letting me set in and watch you be a balla player the other day. Now if I can just do like you..Let see it was something like "Get PP, flop set, take money." Yeah that was it. LOL Seriously though it was good and made me think about some of my issues. I have been running pretty good though.
Good luck with the 25nl I'm sure you'll rock'em hard!

Lazy updating this due to RL stuff and not playing poker for the past 3 days because I haven't felt the urge to play. My move up to 25NL didn't go that great as I lost 3BI's fairly quickly to coolers and bad play, so if I lose another 2BI's I'll move back to 10NL. Plan is to play 2-3 tables of 25NL and actually start posting hands in IRC/BC again.

August graph, last 1.5k is 25NL.

Hmmm so basically no volume in September so far (1.1k) and still don't have much of an urge to play. 25NL is easy once you realize that the people aren't any better than 10NL and all you have to do is play your regular game and make small adjustments when needed.

Not going to bother posting about roll or running bad since how does that help me? I'm 2BI's from my stop loss and will move down if necessary.

Random quote of the day.

"Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't, you're right."
Henry Ford

keep your head up big mane youll do fine just stay focused on playing your A game...also if you ahve no desire to play, then obviously dont, forcing the issues not gonna make you love the game more

Been grinding some more the past few days with mixed results. Hit 5BI stop loss so moved down to 10NL to regrind which is no big deal. I definitely feel I played ok at 25NL but ran bad in the small sample of hands.

Looking Ravageur and Genitruc posts/blogs makes my tiny bit of run bad irrelevant on a bigger scale. So time to get better at poker imo.

I'm away for a week with no internet from tomorrow, so I'll read books and watch video's.

"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."
Mark Twain

Been very busy the past week going back to Uni and sorting out a lot of shit to do with the new house we're renting, I've got free time in the next few days and plan to grind out hands.

I'm trying defend wider in the BB vs SB steals. Some of the regs steal fairly wide so it's a great spot to flat/3bet a decently wide range especially since many of them are terribad post flop. Also need to keep reminding myself that beating micro's is about Vbetting well and being able to fold against opponents who have very unbalanced range.

Roll is currently $441, gogogo regrind!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by HoopyDude

I'm trying defend wider in the BB vs SB steals. Some of the regs steal fairly wide so it's a great spot to flat/3bet a decently wide range especially since many of them are terribad post flop.

This!
I 3bet the regs in the SB relentlessly with an absurd amount of junk any they almost never adjust. Everyone seems to have it in their head that SB steals are +EV vs every opponent instead of just against nits. Flatting big aces/strong broadways is also neat as they tend to barrel a ton expecting you to have garbage

September was a shitty month, time to play better in October.

Just read COTW : Thinking about combo's.

Hoopy it's over bro now lets grind out a great October! GL

in all realness i liked spoons post on combos in the BC a lot more, it was a lot more in depth and had ways to remember shit easier like i still remember "6310" when thinking of PP combos

Long time no update must mean everything's going fine right?

University has been keeping me busy meaning I've only played 2.5k hands this month. Down 6BI's and I'm not at all happy with my play which has been spewy and lacking focus; that stops right now. Until I've reviewed these hands I won't play higher than 2NL.

First hand, this guy had only been at the table for 15 hands and seemed semi loose/aware. Note that we are 139BB deep.

weaktight | Hand Poll | JQs - $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem

Preflop is std. Flop is a value bet, I like betting turn then checking back river as a general plan here.

Flop calling range - T9s, 76s, 98s, 87s, 54s, A5s, A8s, KJ-J9, 66, 77, 99, TT
Add in some gutshots like 97s, I think this type of player will 3bet JJ a decent % pre flop, maybe slowplays a set sometimes or c/r's the OESD's.

Turn is an interesting card, I'd really like to know what people think about bet size on this card, personally I think I can bet bigger due to TT-99 8x and maybe 77-66 calling because it's not a scare card for them. Checking is a possibility but I think betting is very +EV.

So he c/r's pretty big, his line is usually a set/trips so normally QJ would be a easy fold. Even with the FD I think it's still a fold.

c/r range - 88, 54s, A5s, JJ, 55

Looking at combo's I think we can forgot JJ since he 3bet's some % pre and I have J. Total combo's are 3(88), 4(A5s, 54s), 1(55).

9 spades left, 4s and As give FH's and bad RIO for me and I'm dead to 88/55 already. I don't think he's bluffing much either.

c/c flop c/r turn line at micro's is 90/10 nuts/air imo, you've just got to be able to fold nearly everything in your range and be ok about it because no one is actually exploiting you.

Comments appreciated.

Moar hands.

69/17 over 30 hands - seems like a terrible fish

weaktight | Hand Poll | 66 - $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem

Easy river bet/fold imo.


No reads.

weaktight | Hand | KK - $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem

Don't really like my flop sizing, what do you think about bet/calling the the turn?

Dude hand #2 I had to take a second look and make sure it wasn't me with the quads. I had a hand yesterday that was so similar.

Couple of hands from last session.

weaktight | Hand | 2As - $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem

Couple of hands in, assuming he's not great due to stack size. I think turn barrel needs to be bigger after I choose to cbet this board. River is probably a call seeing as he can still have air in his range at this point (87, FD's) that he'd bluff with.


weaktight | Hand | AJs - $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem

lolFR hand, fish who is limp calling a ton pre so far. This board with SPTK is usually a check for me given that I have a BDFD and it might be difficult to get 2/3 streets of value from this guy, where as checking flop can maybe induce him to bluff the turn. I'm not really sure tbh as this type of hand comes up all the time. I think the river is fairly close.

Also random philosophical monologue.

<Hoopy>one thing I realized this month in poker
<Hoopy>it doesn't really matter how you run
<Hoopy>ldo simple but still
<Hoopy>once you stop caring about variance
<Hoopy>poker is a lot more relaxing
<Hoopy>like run good/bad is a key part of the game
<Hoopy>but why worry about it?

Originally Posted by HoopyDude

Also random philosophical monologue.

<Hoopy>one thing I realized this month in poker
<Hoopy>it doesn't really matter how you run
<Hoopy>ldo simple but still
<Hoopy>once you stop caring about variance
<Hoopy>poker is a lot more relaxing
<Hoopy>like run good/bad is a key part of the game
<Hoopy>but why worry about it?

Totally awesome. Sure it's important in a sense but you have no influence over the outcome. I stopped looking at aiev. know if you are playing well / why you are better / how you are exploiting / etc.

Also hand 2 I bet flop for value and check back dry turns or bet again if there is a flushdraw / better str8 draw. But I think you can get two streets from worse jacks. As played river kindof sucks but I like your fold as long as he's a passive fish postflop. His sizing / line is really weird though. 4s doesn't really do much for his range. but since he's a fish he will generally suprise you with a slowplayed hand or j4s given his line. or 44.

Originally Posted by dneureiter

Totally awesome. Sure it's important in a sense but you have no influence over the outcome. I stopped looking at aiev. know if you are playing well / why you are better / how you are exploiting / etc.

Also hand 2 I bet flop for value and check back dry turns or bet again if there is a flushdraw / better str8 draw. But I think you can get two streets from worse jacks. As played river kindof sucks but I like your fold as long as he's a passive fish postflop. His sizing / line is really weird though. 4s doesn't really do much for his range. but since he's a fish he will generally suprise you with a slowplayed hand or j4s given his line. or 44.

Yeah or he can have Kx sometimes, probably need to bet this turn for protection as well.

Link to October graphs.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1984489

Hand played recently, 22/15 over 41 hands. I don't think bet calling this river is good tbh.

weaktight | Hand Poll | AA - $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem

Also need to starting potting/overbetting more against fish who can't fold.

What is he repping? A delayed set? JTdd?

luck hes gonna have a bunch of floated overs like AdJd and shit like that, i doubt he continues on the turn with them though without a flush draw...on the river it obviously looks like he hit his flush...depending on how passive he is this could be QQ...it sucks cause you only need 22% equity...blah id call cause im a station but i doubt your ever good and i doubt hes turning T9 or 88 into a bluff on the scare river card. he could have q9s (like 2 combos), misplayed sets from earlier streets, maybe T8s or something (doubtful though) idk tough spot

Yeah, I wasn't making a comment as if you should call/fold. Also, any particular reason why you chose to never post hands on the form and just link it out?

In game I would prob fold. Or at the very least think that I should fold. Or maybe he is pulling the Mississippi bluff.

-!luck

philly pretty sure you need to win 30%
1.5 / 1.95 + 2(1.5)
1.5 / 4.95 = 30,3%

Originally Posted by dneureiter

philly pretty sure you need to win 30%
1.5 / 1.95 + 2(1.5)
1.5 / 4.95 = 30,3%

....wat?....i dont think your talking about the last hand he posted


he is calling 5.29 (not 1.5 dont know where you got that)...to win 23.93 (8.99x2 + 5.95)....so do the math yourself and youll see im right

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

....wat?....i dont think your talking about the last hand he posted


he is calling 5.29 (not 1.5 dont know where you got that)...to win 23.93 (8.99x2 + 5.95)....so do the math yourself and youll see im right

imma tard different hand

Originally Posted by !Luck

Also, any particular reason why you chose to never post hands on the form and just link it out?

Being lazy mostly, I might start posting them using the converter in the future so it's easier for people to view.

Kinda tired but going to try and put some hands in tonight.

Few hands from last session.

No reads, this hand shows up one of my big leaks, making BAD CALLS. Because what is he potting river with that I beat. Also cbet flop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($10.24)
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($10.15)
Button ($10.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
2 folds, SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, SB calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) J, 9, K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.80) 10 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.30, SB calls $1.30

River: ($4.40) J (2 players)
SB bets $4.60

Total pot: $4.40


Betting turn too thin? Guy is a semi nit, probably should c/f.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (UTG) ($10.62)
MP ($11.05)
Button ($9.85)
SB ($10.05)
BB ($8.27)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6, 6
Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, Button calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 3, 4, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, Button calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75) J (2 players)
Hero bets $1.30

Total pot: $1.75


25/14 over 57 hands
Don't like the way I played this hand, can't just get it in on the turn, bet flop check/call turn seems better

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (CO) ($10.86)
Button ($6.22)
SB ($16)
BB ($12.21)
UTG ($10.37)
MP ($10.14)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, 10
2 folds, Hero bets $0.30, Button calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 9, 3, K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, Button calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.55) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.10, Button raises to $3, Hero raises to $6.70, Button calls $2.52 (All-In)

Total pot: $12.59

hand 1 - bet flop, pot turn, fold river
hand 2 - don't cbet
hand 3 - cbet bigger. Obviously check turn, and why 3b with like 20% equity at most and zero fold equity?

So this isn't an update I particularly want to make but it's needed. I've lost 22BI at 10NL in the past 3 months (around 15k hands), granted it's a small sample but it's dented my confidence quite a bit. Not sure if I'm running/playing bad but taking some more time to study would be a good idea, and identify some leaks.

One leak I know already.

• Not paying attention to SPR or my bet sizing.

Edit to add another leak.

• My VPIP from the small blind is 27%, needs to be a lot lower since playing there sucks.

Wow I'm so disappointed with myself, decided to play a bit last night for the first time in a while. Quickly up 2BI's starting tables with donks playing good poker with no FPS. Then just seemed to tilt it for no reason and play bad. I mean misplaying easy hands is so frustrating especially when I'm normally fine tiltwise. Luckily I quit early but still.............

Much more positive update, had more free time recently so sneaked in some 10NL mainly starting tables and playing HU. Currently watching Phil Galfond play Peter Eastgate HU and rereading some of NLHE T+P.

Simple hand I played yesterday. Op hasn't been playing long but doesn't seem that good. Flop nizzles and get min raised, I figure his range is very polarised (77/22, Kx, air) and since I have blockers Kx is fairly discounted. I decide to call and let him spew on the turn. On the river I don't think he has a K much, should have just shoved for pot as it's probably ≥ EV as $3. Moar hands like this please.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (3 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($10)
BB ($10)
Button ($8.14)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K
Button bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.90, 1 fold, Button calls $0.70

Flop: ($1.90) K, 2, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, Button raises to $1.60, Hero calls $0.80

Turn: ($5.10) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: ($5.10) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button calls $3

Total pot: $11.10 | Rake: $0.54

I'm on break for Christmas now so I've got loads more time for poker especially since I'm stuck at home due to the snow.

Managed to have 4 winning sessions in a row (1k) which is great as it lifts me back into the black this month. Obviously a big confidence booster with the hammering I've taken in recent months.

More of the same please!

WP sir.
What do you mean by (1K)? You made a K, or you played 1k hand sessions?

I doubt he made 100 BI

Originally Posted by !Luck

I doubt he made 100 BI

This sadly.

I'm thinking about goals for the next year regarding poker. Here's a few I've thought up so far.

• Studying more coherently.

Instead of just randomly reading a few pages of books and watching bits of videos I need to plan studying around specific areas of the game

• Moving to FR for a while.

At 6 max I'm spewing too much in the blinds and UTG/MP with crappy offsuit hands and in general Auto piloting a lot postflop. FR is a slower/tighter game that should allow me to work on fundamentals more.

• Meditate each day.

Very +EV life for me.

So starting now some short term goals.

- Reread spoon's Blind "Defense" post.
- Ditto Pokey's on 2+2.
- Find a Sauce's post in m2m's thread about 3betting vs calling with KJs oop.
- Watch Renton's FR video on 2+2.
-10 minutes meditation per day for the next 3 days.

Have a good new year everyone!

First update of the month. 10NL FR is going good and I'm finding 6 tabling to be about right for me atm, mainly starting tables since I feel my edge in HU is pretty good + more fish + wait lists are HUGE.

I've done all my short term goals though I slacked off on meditation. Topic of study this week is going to be big pots which I seem to fuck up on a regular basis.

- Review all +/- 60BB pots in the last 10k hands.
- Reread COTW "Valuebetting".
- Meditate every day. (5 mins at least).

Originally Posted by HoopyDude

First update of the month. 10NL FR is going good and I'm finding 6 tabling to be about right for me atm, mainly starting tables since I feel my edge in HU is pretty good + more fish + wait lists are HUGE.

I've done all my short term goals though I slacked off on meditation. Topic of study this week is going to be big pots which I seem to fuck up on a regular basis.

- Review all +/- 60BB pots in the last 10k hands.
- Reread COTW "Valuebetting".
- Meditate every day. (5 mins at least).

Edit : Redone my HUD setup to be more streamlined/useful.

Hoopy it was fun to see you on the felt the other day!

I'll just do a quick update since I've got exams atm and likely won't play much poker until the end of the month since revision is taking up most of my time. Played 7k hands at 10NL and down 4BI overall.

Regarding goals I've meditated each day and reread COTW "Valuebetting". Reviewing all those big pots will have to wait a while.

Also got a 1 month Grinderschool subscription, so I'll try to watch some videos when I get the chance.

Exams finished 3 days ago. I've been celebrating with partying, poker and football (winning combo imo).

Got 2 days to get 77FPP's for silverstar which is actually a decent bit of grinding 6 tabling 10NL FR.

Watched a few more GS videos, I'd recommend them to anyone who wants to get better at poker. In particular Carrotz/m2m/d0zer's videos are excellent.