Confessions of a losing poker player

Why don't you take those 25 dollars and grind your way up to 500 dollars in penny stakes?

Originally Posted by iopq

Why don't you take those 25 dollars and grind your way up to 500 dollars in penny stakes?

best way - then you know you're beating the levels as you go.

pig vomit -- did you ever post on OJ? I knew a guy over there by that name. Maybe it's more common than I thought.

Ok so my bank shit still isn't sorted (fuck i hate banks) which is probably a good thing because i'm too stressed to play due to work and other bank crap.

Why don't you take those 25 dollars and grind your way up to 500 dollars in penny stakes?

Because i'm an idiot and that is far to sensible. I dunno alot of reason that 25 dollars I got from party points and was busto a couple days ago when i decided to do this. I just feel I need a fresh start and want to signify taking the next step. Also i'm thinking playing for bonuses instead putting all my focus on my swinging BR might help my play.

pig vomit -- did you ever post on OJ? I knew a guy over there by that name. Maybe it's more common than I thought.

Never posted anywhere ever. (well maybe once or twice here under a different name over a year ago lol)

So yeah plan is still hit stars play 10nl take shots at 25nl depending on success. Also thinking of buying 'Hold'em Manager' never really used a HUD but would be good to replay big hands.

i highly recommend pwning the penny tables and working your way up from the bottom. Very seldom does anyone have success without paying their dues first.

If you want to build your bankroll by bonus whoring, great! just don't think that since you have $500 in your account all of a sudden that now you're ready for 25NL. Whenever I clear a bonus, I withdrawal the $ and put it aside.

Alright so a list of leaks in no particular order and how i plan to fix them.

1. Playing drunk. Quite probably my biggest leak I can destroy months of work in one Blury night in front of the computer screen.
Poker or booze one vice only

2. Tilt. I tilts bad.
Two BI stop limit for every session.

3. Heads up SNGs. They're like crack and require a lota focus that I don't have.
No HU for a long time

4. Not paying attention. I very rarely don't have other windows up doing other shit and basically just play my hole cards.
Focus (duh!) maybe shorter sessions?

5. Not putting people on hands. This ties in with #4.
Only play 4 tables for now and actively try and put people on a range.

6. Not looking for tells, reads or betting patters. I'd like to start using a hud to do this but realistically if I'm gonna get any good I need to be able to do this. Probably ties in with not being focused.
Try to keep track of the more active players at the table.

Thats it for now i know their is ALOT more but they either stem from these or their specific spots i hope to figure out by posting hands. Hopefully writing them down is the first step in overcoming them.

start with $200 on stars, play $5nl until you reach $250, move up to 10nl and finish clearing the $50 first deposit bonus - then start looking around/thinking about other bonuses. Where are you based?

I started $200 last year, pulled out $5k recently and still have a bunch online. It can be done.

Thats for all the good advice guys. I agree I may not be ready for 25nl. New plan is use the extra monies as an extra br cushion which I need and let me clear bonuses. Any how I didn't get the full 500 cuz of bank bull shit (did i mention i hate banks) and exchange rates (i'm in australia) so I got 400 instead putting my current br at 435.

In other news I've started playing only 4 tables tiled which i've realised is alot better for me right now.

Anyone want to refer me to stars? I still get the bonus and they don't offer rakeback right?

Originally Posted by Pig_Vomit

Anyone want to refer me to stars? I still get the bonus and they don't offer rakeback right?

no stars account for me, and you're right - they don't offer rakeback.

You should download HEM and use the free trial, I think you get 5000 hands - which should last a while if you're 4-tabling! You'll figure out for yourself if it's worth buying after that - you can probably get it for free though. A few of the little poker sites you won't ever want to play on much have HEM as a sign-up bonus. Sign-up, clear HEM, pull your money out and never play there again. I haven't done this myself, but I'm pretty sure it's possible.

where in oz? i'm in wellington, nz.

You should download HEM and use the free trial, I think you get 5000 hands

Yeah I'll definetly do this i've been useing the free trial of poker tracker and not really digging it as much as i thought i would. Is their a good sticky about interpreting hud stats it all means jibberish to me? I'm in melbourne.

Just played a really short session and realised i'm having alot of trouble paying attention and trying to put people on hands. I think i've played so much shitty passive poker that it's just become habbbit to tune out when i play. I'm toying with the idea of playing a single table for a while and just focusing on trying to put people on a range.

Originally Posted by Pig_Vomit

Is their a good sticky about interpreting hud stats it all means jibberish to me? I'm in melbourne.

Just played a really short session and realised i'm having alot of trouble paying attention and trying to put people on hands.

First up, you put people on ranges rather than hands. It's almost impossible to put players on a specific hands - instead you speculate on their likely holdings based on pre-flop play (=pre-flop range), and then narrow this down based on post-flop play and behaviour.

It will start to make sense after you;ve played with a hud for a while.
I wrote something about how to arrive at an understanding of what preflop stats may mean with respect to ranges just a few days ago - in my post at the bottom of this thread:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ds-t75548.html

I'm not sure if there are any good articles on interpreting these stats - as long as you know what they mean you should go ok. PT2/3 are both good, I abandoned PT3 cos I was getting a whole lot of system instability - it doesn't cope well with heavy multi-tabling... but the HUD content and form are both fine.

melbourne.. i haven't got to victoria yet - too much time up northeast..

also, for some insights on ranges - go search the beginners forum for threads called "Hand reading..." Robb posted a few of these, here's one:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...hand%20reading

Only play 2 tables! to start. Make sure you can put people on hands on each table before you add anyothers. This has to be one of the biggest ways to make $$ and save $$. Knowing what your opponent has.

Thanks for all the great input guys. Daven I especially liked your first link. I've put $50 on stars so i'm gonna start slooooooowly clearing that while I practice putting people on ranges. I left the rest on teller incase party offers a reload bonus. Also gonna try out HEM.

Finally got hem working (had some problems installing) and still getting used to stars. Been playing too many tables again but i'll stop and start practicing useing the hud.

Br $470 so i'm up 45 woot

Originally Posted by Pig_Vomit

Finally got hem working (had some problems installing) and still getting used to stars. Been playing too many tables again but i'll stop and start practicing useing the hud.

Br $470 so i'm up 45 woot

nice work. Keep winning and get that bonus cleared!

I've had a semi productive weekend. Been on a bit of a heater (my bb/100 is like 60 lol) and so i'm up a few BI. Kinda lost sight of my plan to just focus on putting people on a range but i'll start again tomorrow after work. Also I bought a new car

BR $508
Percentage of bonus cleared 34/500

WARNIG!!! BAB BEAT WHINING AHEAD...

Okay nothing like a downswing to put things back in perspective. Been playing stupid again playing to many tables, not paying attention and generally being stupid. Last night I lost a couple BI in a couple of minutes. At least I didn't keep playing (the old me would have) so...

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($6.95)
BB ($7.21)
UTG ($3.65)
UTG+1 ($9.92)
MP1 ($2.38)
MP2 ($2)
Hero (CO) ($11.33)
Button ($9.91)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero raises $0.25, 3 folds, UTG+1 raises $0.60, Hero raises $1.25, UTG+1 raises $9.27 (All-In), Hero calls $8.42

Flop: ($19.91) 3, 7, 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($19.91) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($19.91) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $19.91

Results in white below:
UTG+1 had A, A (one pair, Aces).
Hero didn't show K, K (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: UTG+1 won $18.96

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

Hero (UTG) ($9.98)
UTG+1 ($7.40)
MP1 ($8.46)
MP2 ($6.77)
CO ($3.10)
Button ($6.55)
SB ($9.21)
BB ($16.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, K
Hero raises $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20, 6 folds

Flop: ($0.47) J, 5, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.27) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, UTG+1 raises $6.80 (All-In), Hero calls $5.60

River: ($14.87) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $14.87

Results in white below:
Hero had Q, K (straight, King high).
UTG+1 had 10, 10 (full house, tens over nines).
Outcome: UTG+1 won $14.17

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

MP1 ($11.35)
MP2 ($2.98)
MP3 ($5.88)
CO ($19.45)
Button ($2.36)
SB ($2.81)
BB ($10.09)
Hero (UTG) ($9.26)
UTG+1 ($8.37)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, J
Hero raises $0.20, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.20, 6 folds

Flop: ($0.47) 2, A, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.45, MP1 calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.37) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, MP1 calls $1.20

River: ($3.77) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, MP1 calls $3

Total pot: $9.77

Results in white below:
Hero had A, J (one pair, Aces).
MP1 had A, K (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: MP1 won $9.32

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

UTG ($6.53)
UTG+1 ($7.15)
MP1 ($6)
MP2 ($9.84)
MP3 ($2.92)
Hero (CO) ($11.58)
Button ($11.17)
SB ($1.55)
BB ($2.68)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K
2 folds, MP1 (poster) checks, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.05, Hero raises $0.30, 4 folds, MP3 raises $0.50, Hero raises $0.95, MP3 calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.62) 10, 8, 3 (2 players)
MP3 bets $1.67 (All-In), Hero calls $1.67

Turn: ($5.96) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($5.96) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $5.96

Results in white below:
MP3 had 10, K (three of a kind, tens).
Hero didn't show K, K (two pair, Kings and tens).
Outcome: MP3 won $5.71

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

MP2 ($2.30)
CO ($7.78)
Hero (Button) ($9.81)
SB ($2.84)
BB ($7.77)
UTG ($11.32)
UTG+1 ($6.56)
MP1 ($10.11)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises $0.30, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.97) A, 7, 4 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets $0.40, Hero raises $1.30, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.57) A (2 players)
MP2 bets $0.70 (All-In), Hero calls $0.70

River: ($4.97) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.97

Results in white below:
Hero didn't show J, A (three of a kind, Aces).
MP2 had 2, A (full house, Aces over twos).
Outcome: MP2 won $4.77

What do you guys think? Any of these not bad beats? Thoughts, opinions and insults all welcomed.

Only glanced but they all look fine.

After a run like that I'd be steaming, and I hope that i would have the discipline to stop. I'm impressed that you stopped - illustrates (as if we needed further illustration!) the importance of sound bankroll management.

hand 1 is standard, but a cooler not a badbeat.
hand 2 you got your money in ahead, nice.
hand 3 you could maybe bet the river a little lighter, but the hand is fine - although folding AJo from UTG is also an option. Again, not technically a badbeat.
hand 4 again you got your money in ahead. Preflop you should have 4-bet a little harder, to $1.20 is good given stack sizes.
hand 5 very nice.

hand 3 is a clear fold preflop imo, precisely to avoid situations like the one you put yourself in.

Man i suck.

Fuck poker i'm going to bed.

hand 3 is a clear fold preflop imo, precisely to avoid situations like the one you put yourself in.

no more raising AJ utg. Done.

After a run like that I'd be steaming, and I hope that i would have the discipline to stop. I'm impressed that you stopped - illustrates (as if we needed further illustration!) the importance of sound Bankroll Management.

Considering the old me would get drunk and chase loses at HU SNGs i'm prettty proud of this.

Okay so from the last post you can probably guess that my last session went similar to the one before it. Was going to post hands but the Hand Converter isn't working for some reason.

Don't think i'll play tonight. Too tired from work and still tilted.

Had a good session last night and no longer tilted (for now).

BR $504

Party has offered me a 100% bonus up to $500 So I just cashed out of stars (i'm only 64/500 to clearing the bonus but I figure I got ages) and i'm moving back to party. Problem is how long the cash out is taking. I got $50 back immediately but I have to wait 70 odd hours for them to process the rest. I don't want deposit less than the full $500 on party so i'm stuck.

I gots $440 currently in neteller ready to go. do I just deposit that or go crazy waiting for stars to process cash out? It sucks because I was really keen to grind today too

Originally Posted by Pig_Vomit

I don't want deposit less than the full $500 on party so i'm stuck.

A word of warning/advice. Party bonus offers are often not as good as they first appear.

I recommend that you check the clearing conditions on this bonus. It appears to be released in $100 increments, you have 10 days to clear it, and you have to accrue 800 party points for each $100.

You get 2 points for every 20 raked hands played at 25nl, say 7/10 hands are raked, that means 2 points for every 30 hands. That means you'll be getting $100 for every 12k hands... I'm not convinced that it's worth it. Anyway, to clear the whole $500 you'll have to play a lot of hands.

God damn it Daven why do you have to be so freaken right?

Had a look at the terms. I got some multipliers with party but it's still unrealistic. Probably should have looked at this first... Thanks for stoping me from making a dumb mistake.

I was really happy bout this too

Originally Posted by Pig_Vomit

God damn it Daven why do you have to be so freaken right?

I was really happy bout this too

i deposited the $500, cos the terms in my bonus offers said 2x points, but then it showed up as 8x once deposited. Lucky I had a screen shot of the original offer. Now I'm fighting it out with party poker support...

extract follows:

Originally Posted by daven having a tanty!

Hi.
In response to your e-mail.
No, I do not understand. I do not understand that 2x and 8x are the same.
Your explanation is unclear. I have a degree in mathematics, I'm not stupid. Please try to explain again.
2x points = 2x 500 = 1000 points to clear the entire bonus.
200 points for every $100.

I quote:

"If the player deposits $500, they will get back 5 lots of $100. They
must wager a total of 8 x 500 PartyPoints (1.6 x 5 slabs) = 4000
PartyPoints. The release requirements for each slab are therefore 4000
divided by 5 = 800 PartyPoints per slab, i.e. for each $100."

this makes absolutely no sense. You stated (see the attachment that I included earlier) that the clear rate was 2xpoints. There was no indication that it was 2 (or 1.6) x 5 x points. Heck, you could have arbitrarily made it 2 (or 1.6) x 5000 x points, or any other value.

Please pass this on to your manager, I am very concerned at what appears to be an attempt to deceive. In the meantime, my funds are sitting in my party poker account, where you are accruing interest on the account balance. Although this is minor, I'm sure it adds up over a wide number of players.

If this is not cleared up, I will not be playing on party poker again. As I am sure you already know, online poker is a competitive market and there are a number of reputable companies that do not resort to deceit to earn their profit.

Regards,

Those deceitful bastards! My bonus was 2x as well which in addition to my multipliers made me think it was doable. Your post reminded me that not every hand is raked . Plus party's got a weird system for their points now.

Don't take any guff from those swine man good luck getting your monies. Do you really have a degree in mathematics?

thanks again for the warning.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($9.95)
Hero (BB) ($39.45)
UTG ($17.95)
MP1 ($6.75)
MP2 ($19.90)
CO ($12.15)
Button ($1.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, J
3 folds, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises $0.40, CO calls $0.40, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.10) 5, 7, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $38.95 (All-In), CO calls $11.65 (All-In)

Turn: ($24.40) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($24.40) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $24.40

Results in white below:
Hero had A, J (high card, Ace).
CO had 5, 5 (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: CO won $23.20


no more typing my bets out, one missed decimal point...

I'd be pissed if it wasn't kinda funny. Imagine what that guy must be thinking lol.

Finally cleared the stars bonus (woot) also my HEM trial ran out so i thought fuck it and bought the damned thing. I still dont use the HUD stats as much as i should but getting better at understanding the values.

Made just about no progress whatsoever in my game. Playing to many tables and only paying attention to my own cards. I have managed to not play when tilted (mostly) so i guess thats an improvement.

Anywho here's some HEM stats. I hope this works I suck at posting...


Any thoughts or opions on these would be awsome.


I'm a sucker for a sexy graph.




So my BR took a hit when i bought HEM but still healthy just short of $600. Any thoughts on what bonuses to clear next? Something quick to clear would be good.

Current plan is move to 25nl when BR hits $750 (i'm lovin haven a deep BR)

your vpip/pfr stats look gold, good enough to crush for a while yet - depending on your postflop.. Maybe c-bet a tiny bit less.
Post your steal stats, and position stats
nh - I'll hunt out some light reading for ya tomorrow

Position and steal stats are...



played my first 1.5k hands on full tilt tonight for -$7.

Not really a fan of the software but i guess I better get used to it. Some of my problems with full tilt are...

1) No freaking filter for the games on the lobby. If I join another pot limit or 50nl game i'm gonna kill someone.

2) Soooo many short stakes. Most of my game is implied odds for sets now i'm fucked.

3) Hardly any games for 10nl. Maybe i'm playing at a bad traffic time but yeah this sucks.

4) Tables not popping up when it's my turn to act. Some times they do often they dont.

Maybe i'm just tilted but i'm not really liking full tilt. Gonna be here a while so just gonna have to grin and bear it. Thought about takeing a shot at 25nl playing 19hands on like 20+ tables till this thing clears but I think i'll go crazy and tilt.

hope these comments help - I'd suggest hit the bonus then run though if you don't like the interface! Kinda funny - it's the best interface of the sites I've played to date!!!!

Originally Posted by Pig_Vomit

1) No freaking filter for the games on the lobby. If I join another pot limit or 50nl game i'm gonna kill someone. sort by stakes

2) Soooo many short stakes. Most of my game is implied odds for sets now i'm fucked. play deep tables, if they aren't running then open them

3) Hardly any games for 10nl. Maybe i'm playing at a bad traffic time but yeah this sucks. wait lists?

4) Tables not popping up when it's my turn to act. Some times they do often they dont. yeah, this must be shit. I've never played a site where this works, so I'm used to it. I deal with it by playing tiled...
.

Gotten sorta used to FT software and hating it alot less (table filter still sucks balls but i do like the bet pot button). Any who took a shot a 25nl ran good and got BR to where i wanted it to be for 25nl anyways. Not many shortstacks at 25nl but i sill wish their were more tables to choose from and I dont really like starting em because I dont want to play short handed.

Things to do...

1) Reviewing sessions. Can't rember that last time i did this which can't be good.

2) Post hands

3) Put people on ranges.

4) Work on C beting. Start c betting for a reason instead of firing off random shots like i do now. I feel like i'm slowly losing chips instead of gaining them.

hey pig vomit i looked at your stats and while your att. to steal looks ok your button stats as a whole are still really nitty wwhich would suggest that you aren't isolating limpers enough.

hey pig vomit i looked at your stats and while your att. to steal looks ok your button stats as a whole are still really nitty wwhich would suggest that you aren't isolating limpers enough.

Yeah this is something i've been thinking of. I like my VPIP% but i'm not happy with my early position and late position stats. I'm thinking of cutting out alot of the junk I raise with in early position such as KQ+ as well as the crappy pocket pairs i limp with and really opening up my aggression and range in the cutoff and button. Would it be bad if my VPIP% and PFR% were basically identical? Cuz if i do what i'm thinking of doing i'll only really be calling raises with pocket pairs and either raising or folding everything else. Does calling a raise affect PFR% like does PFR% go down if I call a 3 bet? I hope this makes sense.

A quick summary of my expearince so far at 25nl...

played good - won monies - got cocky- played bad - lost monies

meh

When you play like a fucking idiot you suffer the consciousness...

back to 10nl

BR $582

I wanna throw up.

Originally Posted by Pig_Vomit

hey pig vomit i looked at your stats and while your att. to steal looks ok your button stats as a whole are still really nitty wwhich would suggest that you aren't isolating limpers enough.

Yeah this is something i've been thinking of. I like my VPIP% but i'm not happy with my early position and late position stats. I'm thinking of cutting out alot of the junk I raise with in early position such as KQ+ as well as the crappy pocket pairs i limp with and really opening up my aggression and range in the cutoff and button. Would it be bad if my VPIP% and PFR% were basically identical? Cuz if i do what i'm thinking of doing i'll only really be calling raises with pocket pairs and either raising or folding everything else. Does calling a raise affect PFR% like does PFR% go down if I call a 3 bet? I hope this makes sense.

Well yes, I would stop raising KQ utg as well as AJ if you raise that. I would say that at 10nl you can still l/c your small PPs from ep and get paid a lot, but at 25nl I would start to open raise because players there can handread slightly better and you're going to get less big multiway pots. I think it would be bad if you pfr and vpip were the same because if you never called pre then you would be 3bet/folding PPs which is pretty bad and also there are a lot of times on the button that you can just call a LP raise with a decent range. 13/10 is actually quite solid and I know a few good 200nl regs with similar stats so don't try and change too much.

Your pfr doesn't go down if you call a 3bet if you were the original raiser it counts as the raise. If you were not the raiser your vpip goes up and your pfr stays the same.

For whatever reason i've regressed back into old habbits. I can't play for more then five minutes before turning into an idiot at the table. I will not be playing for the next couple of days so i can drink and feel sorry for my crappy playing self.

cheers...

Okay so it's a new month and a figure i might reflect on the month i've had and set some new goals.

When i started this thread my main goal was to get into the habit of putting people on ranges which i still have not done. Another was to start referring to HUD stats before making a decision which also I have yet to do. These remain my major objectives as well as a few others i've thought of recently such as c-betting and improving general post flop game (my post flop game fucking stinks). Also after a recent visit to tilt town enforcing my 2 BI stop loss limit.

Any who heres September...

can you guess where i tilted?

I'm pretty disappointed with this. I feel i started out well but after moving to full tilt and 25nl my play a discipline turned to shit. It's probably what i need though as my game is nowhere near ready for 50nl and had i continued to run hot i probably would have neglected to improve.

Any way goals are to pump out a sexy winrate for 25nl, develop skills for 50nl and build the bank roll for 50nl.

-8 BIs in the last two days, -5 BIs so far for this month...

meh i'm gonna go drink now.

Weeeeee i'm drunk anf it's time to face facts...

I am a loseing 25nl player. I've played 16579 hands of 25nl for -1.24 bb/100. Because i ran good at 10nl i've been putting the blame on varince but it's time to face facts. I've got some serious leaks to address and i've got no idea where to start. I've been told my preflop stats are fairly solid so my thinking is that my problems are post flop. I've for the most part stopped my c-bet spewage and yet continue to consistenly lose. I've tried tightening my range in early postion and opening up on the button but i feel like i'm just spewing.

My current opinion is that i'm playing badly in larger pots. At 10nl their was value in calling the river shove with top pair and kicker. At 25nl villians range is alot tighter and value/reason why i called at 10nl no longer has merit. I'm finding 25nl to be somewhere inbetween being so loose i can vale bet my nuts off and so tight i can make a steady profit through stealing blinds and exploiting postion.

It is early in the month and it is possible that i've been running bad and i can turn this around and crush.

I'm feeling like half the players at any given table know my hands value. My weaker hands are called or raised and everyone insta folds to my stronger hands.

As someone with assperations of one day playing 100nl and 200nl this is fucking pathetic to not beat 25nl for this many hands. This seems like as good a reason as any to really hunker down and work on my game. Problem is i dont really know how. I need to start postiong hands obviously but other then that i dont really know where to start. I know my game is flawed but i'm too stupid to know where...

Any who hopefully i'll run really hot next week and that way i'll be able to put off improving for even longer weeeeeeee.

Originally Posted by Pig_Vomit

I've been told my preflop stats are fairly solid so my thinking is that my problems are post flop. I

two suggestions if you're running HEM:
1) Filter on pots at 25nl where you called a bet >40bb. Think about what this telling you.
2) When you get to the river with an ok hand - e.g. 8T on 8TAQ3 rainbow board, consider check-calling instead of bet-folding. Reason? If you bet, then you gotta fold to the re-raise and this costs you the same as check-calling but you don't get a showdown. And another reason - a lot of people who would be folding to a bet will be bluffing when checked to. Passive lines are good sometimes...

Still playing like shit. Throwing money away at HU sngs and 6 max (i suck at 6 max) and generally being an idiot.

meh.

Fuck i hate poker...

So far this month i've played 6500 hands for -6BIs. I seem to be swinging all over the place at 25nl. Obviously i'm doing something or many things wrong. I'm currently trying to conpare my stats from when i was at stars 10nl (and ran goot) to now at full tilt 25nl (where i run/play shit). I'm not having much luck though.

Took a few days off from poker to detilt. Feeling better gonna play a session, gonna play good.

WTF!!!!?????

I know i suck but this is getting fucking ridiculus...

In an effort to make myself accountable for my play and to encourage myself to review sessions (I never review sessions) i'm gonna start posting my big losing pots. Expect badbeats and really stupid tilted play Thoughts and opinions always welcome but this is mostly an exercise for myself.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($26.25)
Hero (BB) ($29.65)
UTG ($24.75)
UTG+1 ($28.45)
MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($25.80)
MP3 ($30.10)
CO ($18.55)
Button ($25.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero raises $0.85, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.55) A, 6, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $2, MP3 calls $2

Turn: ($6.55) K (2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP3 raises $27 (All-In), Hero calls $20.55 (All-In)

River: ($59.65) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $59.65

Results in white below:
Hero had Q, A (two pair, Aces and Queens).
MP3 had K, J (flush, Ace high).
Outcome: MP3 won $57.15

Yeah I dont know what to say about this... Thought he was drawing... Just lost a stack before and should'nt have been playing

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($17.95)
BB ($25.25)
UTG ($22.30)
Hero (UTG+1) ($37.20)
MP1 ($38.10)
MP2 ($25)
MP3 ($20.35)
CO ($48.90)
Button ($39.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7, 7
1 fold, Hero raises $0.85, 1 fold, MP2 raises $3.25, 1 fold, CO calls $3.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.40

Flop: ($10.10) 7, J, Q (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $6.25, CO calls $6.25, Hero raises $22, MP2 calls $15.50 (All-In), 1 fold

Turn: ($59.85) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($59.85) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $59.85

Results in white below:
Hero had 7, 7 (three of a kind, sevens).
MP2 had Q, Q (three of a kind, Queens).
Outcome: MP2 won $56.90

Preflop is stupid and i shoulda folded.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($29.90)
Button ($12.35)
SB ($83.55)
BB ($49.45)
Hero (UTG) ($44.55)
UTG+1 ($55.20)
MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($33)
MP3 ($56.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
Hero raises $0.85, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.85, 3 folds, SB calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.80) 8, 4, J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.80, 1 fold, SB raises $8, Hero raises $10.40, SB raises $34.40, Hero raises $30.50 (All-In), SB calls $1.30

Turn: ($90.20) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($90.20) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $90.20

Results in white below:
SB had 4, 4 (three of a kind, fours).
Hero had A, A (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: SB won $87.20

Don't know how i feel about this one. Sucks that it was deep.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($16.15)
Hero (MP3) ($25)
CO ($25.80)
Button ($34.65)
SB ($7.20)
BB ($25.10)
UTG ($29.10)
UTG+1 ($36.95)
MP1 ($26.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5, 5
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, 3 folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.85) 7, K, 5 (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets $0.25, Hero raises $1, 1 fold, MP1 raises $4.25, Hero raises $8, MP1 raises $22.15 (All-In), Hero calls $15.75 (All-In)

Turn: ($50.35) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($50.35) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $50.35

Results in white below:
MP1 had 7, 7 (three of a kind, sevens).
Hero had 5, 5 (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: MP1 won $49.75

meh standard.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($33.05)
MP2 ($9.30)
MP3 ($5)
Hero (CO) ($25)
Button ($21.55)
SB ($25.10)
BB ($5)
UTG+1 ($36.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q
UTG+1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero raises $1.10, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.55) 10, 9, A (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $2.55, UTG+1 calls $2.55

Turn: ($7.65) 6 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $5, UTG+1 calls $5

River: ($17.65) 8 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $17.65

Results in white below:
UTG+1 had A, K (one pair, Aces).
Hero had A, Q (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: UTG+1 won $16.80



No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($27.45)
SB ($15.10)
BB ($17.60)
UTG ($35.20)
UTG+1 ($25.90)
MP1 ($21.15)
MP2 ($9.65)
MP3 ($48.95)
Hero (CO) ($26.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, A
5 folds, Hero raises $0.85, Button calls $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($3.40) J, Q, J (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.40, 1 fold, SB raises $14.25 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $10.85

Turn: ($31.90) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($31.90) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $31.90

Results in white below:
SB had 8, J (three of a kind, Jacks).
Hero had Q, A (two pair, Queens and Jacks).
Outcome: SB won $30.35

lol i don't even remember this one. Like i said i'm an idiot.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($25)
CO ($25.60)
Hero (Button) ($25.50)
SB ($14.75)
BB ($54.55)
UTG ($23.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, 10
3 folds, Hero raises $0.85, 1 fold, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) K, 3, 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.80, BB calls $1.80

Turn: ($5.40) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3

River: ($11.40) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $11.40

Results in white below:
Hero had K, 10 (two pair, Kings and threes).
BB had Q, 3 (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: BB won $10.85

thoughts? trying to open up a bit on the button but i suspect i dont have the postflop skills to deal with it.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($25)
MP ($49.20)
Hero (CO) ($30.20)
Button ($50.35)
SB ($28.25)
BB ($44.95)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K
2 folds, Hero raises $0.85, Button raises $2.90, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.05

Flop: ($6.15) 9, J, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, Button calls $4

Turn: ($14.15) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $10, Hero calls $10

River: ($34.15) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $12, Hero folds

Total pot: $34.15

Results in white below:
Button didn't show
Outcome: Button won $44.45

I hate draws. Stupid turn call.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($79.70)
UTG ($26)
MP ($34)
CO ($28.35)
Button ($25.60)
SB ($49.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero raises $0.75, MP calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.25) 8, 3, 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.25, Hero raises $4.50, MP calls $2.25

Turn: ($11.25) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, MP calls $8

River: ($27.25) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $20.50 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $27.25

meh

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($26.95)
Hero (MP2) ($26.05)
MP3 ($32.50)
CO ($80)
Button ($30.10)
SB ($25)
BB ($19.20)
UTG ($48.20)
UTG+1 ($34.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, A
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises $1.10, 5 folds, UTG calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.55) 10, 8, 8 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.55, UTG raises $7.25, Hero raises $11.45, UTG raises $13.50, Hero raises $10.95 (All-In), UTG calls $4.20

Turn: ($52.45) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($52.45) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $52.45

Very dumb...

Enough for tonight this is just the tip of the iceberg.
So i'm in a crappy spot right now (to think i was shooting for 50nl by the end of the year). I'm still rolled for 25nl but obviously i'm a losing player. Defs gonna move down for a couple thousand hands get some confidence back but i dont really see the point. I feel i pwn 10nl and so when i play i wont really be working on the skill set i need for 25nl. Thats probs a stupid excuses but whatever. Good new though i'm finding myself thinking more and more about ranges.

This is a hard post to make.

October sucked or more precisely i sucked during October. Heres the graph.


If only it was upside down lol.



So i guess the plan is back to 10nl gonna play uber tight and lay down top pair when i know it's no good and hopefully i'll get my shit together and be back at 25nl. It's kinda funny when i was playing i thought i was playing good but looking back i now see how shitty i really was playing.

BR: 421

meh.