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    Wow so being from the US I haven't been around much at all. I've really been missing FTR so I decided I'd pop in and see what was going on. Can't say I'm overly suprised by the major failure of OP but I am somewhat surprised/disappointed by the way he handled himself following his meltdown!
    When I was last around the staking issue hadn't yet began. Keith commendable you tried to help I must say. So pathetic you were rewarded with such disrespect. I always thought similar situation could be advantagious not so much the staking but coaching/helping in exchange for a %. I hope this hasn't totally soured you on helping others!
    RPM dude hats off your one hell of a man I have to say! But then again I think there are many good ppl here at FTR!
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    I posted earlier that I had emailed Gary to tell him that KRC had paid off what he owed. Got a reply today , couldn't help laughing at the irony.

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    did you omit the part where you called him a f'n asshole? I don't get it.

    Keith, I forget if this has been addressed here or not, but we all need to know: what possessed you to stake him in the first place? Did you think he had real potential? Did you think you could help him out of his degen ways? What was the motivation there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLongGrind View Post
    message to Slevin : I sincerely feel for you. I think you have a gambling problem. I know i do to. But i always lost money i could afford to lose and looked at it as entertainment. I've blown numerous nanostakes online bankrolls becuz i got bored or tilted. However Tilting away money that actually means something for you , never been in that ballpark , nor have i ever messed around with other people's monies.
    Gary does have a gambling problem.When he chooses to gamble instead of paying off his debts then he is heading into trouble.
    Get yourself together bro , i seriously advise you to quit poker all together for like a year. Then u go to the atm and u get urself a fiddy and some potatochips. Strap urself in and play 2 nl for 50 k hands. Play like a complete regfish/nit. win at the game , get urself at least 30 buy ins for 50 nl and actually try learning poker besides playing cards.
    Exactly what the stake was , teach him to play nitty at 2nl and then coach him through the stakes . He couldn't do it with help, how is he going to do it on his own?.


    I'm a complete donk, however i understand what needs to be done and even if i massively fail , in the end i'll only lose a fiddy and had some fun mashing buttons.

    Don't set these ridiculous goals like ' i want to be pro' . There's 1 universal truth in poker : don't look down upon microstakes if u haven't proven you can consistently beat it. Secondly if you think 5 nl isn't worth your time ( obviously it's not going to be meaningfull monies in the real world but that's not the point , learning is, bankrollmanagement is , emotional control is) grab a 50 pound bill or whatever your currency is and put it on fire every time u lose a buy in at 5 nl online.
    gary was continually saying things like I want to be a pro, to get a high standard of lifestyle through playing poker, to go on poker cruises with his winnings, top play 2000NL etc etc etc , I kept telling him to stop saying /thinking that and start thinking about how to beat his current stake and then the next etc.
    If you can't emotionally control yourself poker isn't made for you. You always claimed to be working on it but i never had the impression throughout your whole story that you ever really tried. I think you massively underestimate the amount of $$ that can be made on microstakes if you have hardcore work ethics. Never heard about those crazy humanoids 20 tabling 25 nl making 30 k a year? not bad huh imagine if you can do that playing 50 or 100 nl. Basically you need to acknowledge defeat you massively failed in poker. Be humble acknowledge your emotional issues and do something about it before you return to the game. When you have - ONLINEBANKING-WIRE TRANSFER-50$-RECIPIENT:POKERSTARS- GAMEPLAN 2 NL TILTFREE
    Gary fundamentally underestimates the amount of work and study that needs to be done to achieve what he wants , he sees the glory and wants to get there quickly , hence he skips the work, and plays underolled thinking he'll get there quicker. All he does is go bust as a result because he cannot avoid variance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer View Post
    did you omit the part where you called him a f'n asshole? I don't get it.
    nope thats the full email. Maybe he didn't like the fact that it was in bold, or that the previous email to him i had said that i wanted an apology in the 2+2 thread.

    Keith, I forget if this has been addressed here or not, but we all need to know: what possessed you to stake him in the first place? Did you think he had real potential? Did you think you could help him out of his degen ways? What was the motivation there?
    Look back a the early pages of this thread. me carroters and Jyms were all critical of what he was doing, continually stressing the need for bankroll management etc. Once he'd busto'ed it was either time to put up or shut up.

    when i started at FTR , Slevin held a scholaship to grinderschool thread ,
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    he gave me my start so there was a certain extent of giving back and helping him. put together a group of coaches who were all willing to put a small amount in and try and turn him around.DOn't think its right for me to say who they were to avoid them getting "will you coach me" type pleas from any bc noobie. Black friday hit and all of a sudden bankrolls were tied up, poker was off limits etc so the number of coaches reduced . Carroters has said earlier in the thread that he turned down the proposition to be one of the stakers as gary was a degenerate gambler and was likely to blow the stake.. Totally respect him for it, We all knew that it was a big possibility that Gary would meltdown and busto. Hence all the penalties to try and stop him blowing the roll worked into the stake terms and paying us in installments for the coaching,and having him n an affiliate deal , so that if he did blow it at least we would have something to pay for the time spent and reimburse the stake if Gary defaulted. Unfortunately the meltdown came before he had generated enough income to cover the stake.

    As for his potential , who knows , hopefully we would have got him to a stage where he could avoid busto ing every few weeks and change his attitude to poker so that he could work his way up.

    I think we helped him a bit with his til issues , but ultimately it was his tilt issues that were his downfall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13 View Post
    Wow so being from the US I haven't been around much at all. I've really been missing FTR so I decided I'd pop in and see what was going on. Can't say I'm overly suprised by the major failure of OP but I am somewhat surprised/disappointed by the way he handled himself following his meltdown!
    When I was last around the staking issue hadn't yet began. Keith commendable you tried to help I must say. So pathetic you were rewarded with such disrespect. I always thought similar situation could be advantagious not so much the staking but coaching/helping in exchange for a %. I hope this hasn't totally soured you on helping others!
    RPM dude hats off your one hell of a man I have to say! But then again I think there are many good ppl here at FTR!
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    should have just broken his legs while u had the chance

    now that his debt is paid the drama is over
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    Btw keith , i didn't mean to be harsh on you , it's nice of you that you put faith in people and sometimes people f up. Personally i think it's cool that you give a guy a chance but imo u picked the wrong one. Though this was kind of a funny story it's also very troublesome knowing some guy is out there waisting his life through irresponsible gambool behaviour. Not to mention threads like these put poker in a negative spotlight. The people opposing the legalisation of poker throughout the world will always use these stories to ' prove' poker is a dangerous game. It's pretty obvious , poker isn't dangerous , people are
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLongGrind View Post
    Btw keith , i didn't mean to be harsh on you , it's nice of you that you put faith in people and sometimes people f up. Personally i think it's cool that you give a guy a chance but imo u picked the wrong one. Though this was kind of a funny story it's also very troublesome knowing some guy is out there waisting his life through irresponsible gambool behaviour. Not to mention threads like these put poker in a negative spotlight. The people opposing the legalisation of poker throughout the world will always use these stories to ' prove' poker is a dangerous game. It's pretty obvious , poker isn't dangerous , people are
    Just an FYI. The site that this deal came thru is fairly small and the people involved (Krcmdc and Keith included) are incredibly nice and willing to go out of their way to help other members learn and advance their game. They were obvsly happy to risk what was (to them) a small amount of money in the hopes they could better another member. It didn't go as well as they liked but shit happens. Hopefully it doesn't turn them sour on doing it in the future.
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    Not to mention threads like these put poker in a negative spotlight. The people opposing the legalisation of poker throughout the world will always use these stories to ' prove' poker is a dangerous game. It's pretty obvious , poker isn't dangerous , people are
    The argument for legal poker, as I understand it, is whether or not it's a game of skill. If it is, then it should be legal. Otherwise, it is just gambling like roulette or blackjack. And we all know that gambling is only socially acceptable in certain states. There will always be degenerates like slevin, but that's beside the point.
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    Just an FYI. The site that this deal came thru is fairly small and the people involved (Krcmdc and Keith included) are incredibly nice and willing to go out of their way to help other members learn and advance their game. They were obvsly happy to risk what was (to them) a small amount of money in the hopes they could better another member. It didn't go as well as they liked but shit happens. Hopefully it doesn't turn them sour on doing it in the future.
    Thanks for the kind words, but I'd think that Slevin would likely disagree. I guess I'm missing something from his background that everyone else here knows because I really don't understand all the hate he's getting here. He's a degen, a lot of people are, but they don't get the kind of hate Slevin has gotten over this situation. I mean damn, it was $120, it was a decent dinner and people want his legs broken, seems a bit extreme to me.

    He did exactly what everyone seems to have known he would do. But, imo, he really tried not to do it. He put a ton of effort and enthusiasm into a complete no win situation and then to top it off, he did not receive the support he was promised. It was doomed from the start, which was my fault. And it inevitably failed, which was at least as much my fault as it was Slevins. I honestly believe that things would have been different had I done what I was suppose to do.

    And no this hasn't soured us on these types of things. In fact, if legislation ever passes and I can get rid of this ridiculous "real job" I've been forced into, I'd even be willing to give Slevin another chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLongGrind View Post
    Btw keith , i didn't mean to be harsh on you , it's nice of you that you put faith in people and sometimes people f up. Personally i think it's cool that you give a guy a chance but imo u picked the wrong one.
    If you are looking at it purely in a results orientated way , then yeah we picked the wrong guy. However as a poker player you should look beyond the short term result and look at the long term picture.
    Maybe Slevin was the perfect guy for us to do this with. We got a complete degenerate who had never ground a roll at a stake before to do that and make enough money to move up in stakes even if it was due to bonuses.But he was also able to demonstrate the flaws in the plan. If some one had sailed through with no problems we could have taken more students on and multiplied up the problems that we could have faced with later students.
    We learnt a lot from the experience, the deficiences in the contract , things we could do better, things we should change for any future students,what the likely earnings are going to be, warning signs to watch out for, when we should just decide that for a paticular student they have gone as far as we can take them etc. That will benefit us as well as any future students.
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    Just so that it's known by everyone with an interest in this debacle...

    Slevin contacted me today and offered repayment in full. I declined, he doesn't owe me (nor anyone else) anything stemming from this mess.

    Assuming that his FTR banning stemmed solely from this disaster, I'd like to ask again that his ban be reversed. He would never have been banned in the first place had I known about this thread.
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    slevin contacted me yesterday as well by email and skype and offered to pay me or KRCMDC. I told him to contact KRC and gave him contact details.
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    Why, all of a sudden , has he decided to repay anyone? I thought he claimed he didn't owe you anything.

    His rep has turned to shit and he's trying to recover?
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    binked a tourney maybe..?
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    Maybe cos he thinks they won't accept it?
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    I have no idea why he decided that now was the time to repay. I really don't know him at all. I've never spoken to him aside from a few forum posts and a pm or two, all months ago near the beginning of this deal. I quit this deal right about the time Slevin was "moving up" and had not exchanged a single word with him from that time until he contacted me about this repayment.

    I'm 100% certain that he had zero reason to ever think that I would refuse the repayment. His offer was 100% genuine and honest imo.

    So much hatred and cynicism, I still don't understand it.

    Edit: And just to be clear, there was no "they", I did not accept the repayment. No one else was asked about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krcmdc View Post

    So much hatred and cynicism, I still don't understand it.
    Is the interwebz bro. Still tryin' to figure it out myself.
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    KRC such a good dude. I dont beleive in him; too nice....maybe hes an alien
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    KRC such a good dude.....
    Yea, it's admirable that he's paid off Slevins debt, but why worship him? KRC admitted that he failed to deliver on his part of the staking/coaching deal. That's why he paid the money. Yes, it was very cool.
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    yeah nob head we hate you KRC.
    I like the way he defends slevins honour, when hardly anyone has a good word to say about him, putting the blame on himself. honourable. Im been drinking.
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    • 01-28-2012 04:45 PM #1
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      Thank you
      Drag the bar, I would just like to thank you and Jared for the biggest tilter competition that happened some months back. I had one session with Jared and also received a signed copy of Jared's book.

      The session helped me greatly, it resulted in me taking a long look at my game, and although I am still not where I want to be it equipped me really well to at least realise where I need to be heading with my game, and also to realise what my real mental weaknesses were - including unfounded confidence that can be just as damaging as negativity! I hadn't realised just how overconfident I was until the session with Jared (not arrogant - just a perpetual optimist) which was really holding me back it took away the mental space I needed for my development. I really recommend Jared's sessions to anyone that has tilt / mental issues at the table. He was surgical how he pinpointed my real issues, issues I hadn't realised until he pointed them out - but were blatently obvious as soon as he had mentioned them.

      Since receiving the book I've read so much interesting material that I know will help me with my quest to become a good player. I also know that some of the material will have wider applications in my life due to the way it has been presented in the book, in such a thorough but really down to earth and pragmatic way.

      I'm looking forward to a productive year with my poker now, and have recently setup some technical coaching from a great DTB coach now I have a mental strategy that works.

      Thank you!

    what...nobody has pointed out to you in the past that you shouldn't play underrolled,drunk,etc etc lol....oh well its good to see you have now realised it.

    then a day later he posted.

    01-29-2012 02:00 PM #1
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    Ipoker and Merge (BCP) for 200nl - does anyone play here? how are the games? Thanks

    Hi everyone

    I'm looking to start playing poker seriously and would like to know if anyone has any recent experience playing 100nl and 200nl on Ipoker or on Black Chip Poker (Merge)?

    How are the games? Are there a fair few fish or is it a real grind to take money from regs?

    Thanks
    so if he isnt bust yet , look for anyone open shoving junk at 100 / 200 nl at merge or ipoker and cash in while he still has some.
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    then again it may be too late.

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    This poker 'enlightenment' sounds awfully familiar. Degens gonna be degens.

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