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Old 03-27-2009, 03:16 AM #51 (permalink)  
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Three quite interesting hands from tonight's current session. The first hand...try to put these players on cards (I hid the results). Amazing what some people go all-in with:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($1.93)
Button ($7.37)
SB ($5.82)
BB ($5.82)
UTG ($5.80)
MP1 ($5.70)
Hero (MP2) ($11.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, A
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.20, CO raises to $0.50, Button calls $0.50, SB calls $0.48, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, CO raises to $1.93 (All-In), Button calls $1.43, SB calls $1.43, Hero calls $0.43

Flop: ($7.82) K, J, 6 (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.89, Button calls $3.89, 1 fold

Turn: ($15.60) 4 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $1.55, Button calls $1.55 (All-In)

River: ($18.70) A (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $18.70 | Rake: $0.85
Main pot: $7.82 between CO, Button and Hero, won by Hero
Side pot 1: $10.88 between Button and Hero, won by Hero

Results in white below:
Button mucked 6, J (two pair, Jacks and sixes).
Hero had A, A (three of a kind, Aces).
CO had 10, 10 (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero won $17.85


Second hand is much more elementary. However, it just exemplifies my growth as a poker player. In the past, I would rarely make this laydown:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($5.12)
SB ($5.05)
BB ($6.07)
UTG ($10)
Hero (UTG+1) ($10)
MP1 ($10.92)
MP2 ($3.92)
MP3 ($3.70)
CO ($15.96)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, A
1 fold, Hero bets $0.15, MP1 calls $0.15, MP2 calls $0.15, 1 fold, CO calls $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.77) Q, 2, 9 (5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, MP1 raises to $0.90, MP2 calls $0.90, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($3.47) 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $2.10, MP2 calls $2.10, Hero folds

River: ($7.67) Q (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.77, MP2 calls $0.77 (All-In)

Total pot: $9.21 | Rake: $0.40

Results:
MP1 had 2, 2 (full house, twos over Queens).
MP2 mucked A, 9 (two pair, Queens and nines).
Outcome: MP1 won $8.81

This last hand is just plain FUNNN (even if I lost):
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($1.60)
BB ($4.85)
UTG ($3.86)
UTG+1 ($6.04)
MP1 ($5.95)
MP2 ($6.37)
MP3 ($6.43)
Hero (CO) ($21.46)
Button ($1.46)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5, 5
UTG bets $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.08, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.55) K, 5, A (5 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.25

Turn: ($1.55) 2 (4 players)
UTG bets $0.25, UTG+1 raises to $0.50, MP1 raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $3, UTG raises to $3.51 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $3.01, MP1 calls $2.76, Hero calls $0.51

River: ($15.59) K (4 players, 1 all-in)
UTG+1 bets $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 calls $0.18 (All-In)

Total pot: $19.95 | Rake: $0.95

Results:
UTG had K, K (four of a kind, Kings).
UTG+1 had A, A (full house, Aces over Kings).
Hero had 5, 5 (full house, fives over Kings).
Outcome: UTG won $14.84, UTG+1 won $4.16

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Old 03-27-2009, 04:36 AM #52 (permalink)  
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congrats on having a 2 page op, booG. not only do you have length but you have (insert dumb d*** joke here) AND you make a well traveled quest interesting with a very personable writing style.

my operation has neither your length nor readability, but i'm working on it.

kudos & gl.
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Old 03-27-2009, 08:54 AM #53 (permalink)  
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Wow, sick hand #3, but can't be results oriented on that (not saying you are lol) but you should raise that flop. Theres a flush/gutshot draws on the board. There are enough cards in the deck that you don't want to see on the turn that you should try to get it in.

Other then that, nh.
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Old 03-27-2009, 12:06 PM #54 (permalink)  
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cbet larger in hand 2. and dranger is right about hand 3 - this is a drawy flop and we should be raising to charge those draws to see a turn. sick hand.
 
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Old 03-27-2009, 11:53 PM #55 (permalink)  
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I'm not even exactly sure what to think of this hand. When he reraised me on the river, my instincts told me he had A5-7, but I just didn't listen to them. The chances of him hitting a nut flush was so high that I felt justified to get him all-in. I'm not exactly positive if that thought process was correct...maybe somebody more experienced can tell me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not results-oriented...I am simply new to the game and am unsure what is the right thing to do in a situation like this:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($8.11)
BB ($4.69)
UTG ($4.05)
MP ($3.99)
CO ($5.73)
Hero (Button) ($10.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 7
UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.25, SB calls $0.23, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.65) A, 5, 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.65) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.25, SB calls $0.25

River: ($1.15) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $2.50, SB raises to $4.25, Hero raises to $9.55 (All-In), SB calls $3.36 (All-In)

Total pot: $16.37 | Rake: $0.80

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Old 03-28-2009, 12:20 AM #56 (permalink)  
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Um... BooG you need to work on ur bet sizing. On the turn in this hand that is. Bet .50, get the money in there. He WILL call with a flush draw/any Ax plus a bunch of other random crap lol. Other then that, as played fine.
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Old 03-28-2009, 01:45 AM #57 (permalink)  
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bet turn more.
nice hand.
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Old 03-28-2009, 06:12 AM #58 (permalink)  
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So I played relatively well today...though there still seems to be a lot of "variance" (though I like to call it plain shitty luck). A lot of sets vs. sets and full houses vs. full houses. I feel like I should fold some of these...though it's been said over and over again that that would certainly end up to be -EV. This session basically ended in breakeven.

Anyway, I am still reading Harrington on Cash Games. He makes a few good points about connectors and one-gappers. One point is that they play rather well against premium hands (this makes sense due to many reasons). So today's session was actually about getting new hands into my repertoire. I mean...it's better I work them in now than later when it becomes more expensive, right? Here's a prime example...I actually played this hand against a fellow FTRer (though I didn't know at the time). I won't mention his name. Villain is 13/5...basically only raises with premium hands:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($15.12)
MP1 ($8.76)
MP2 ($2.24)
MP3 ($7.46)
Hero (CO) ($11.88)
Button ($10)
SB ($13.34)
BB ($5)
UTG ($9.48)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3, 4
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.20, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.20, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.47) 3, 6, 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.25, Hero raises to $1, UTG+1 raises to $3, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($6.47) 8 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $6, Hero raises to $8.68 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $2.68

River: ($23.83) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $23.83 | Rake: $1.15

Results:
UTG+1 had A, A (two pair, Aces and threes).
Hero had 3, 4 (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: Hero won $22.68

Hopefully this hand will stir up some discussion. Basically, I now see my bets, calls, and limps (yes, limps...I'll get to that later) as investments (I am investing in junk bonds). Investing in these small hands provide more bang since they are so well-disguised and people are not expecting them. They are very easy to fold if you don't hit the flop unlike many other hands that players fall in love with. You won't win many pots with them...but the pots you do win will most likely be bigger than the pots won with premium hands.

And yes folks, limps. I am now limping into pots. Hands that play well multi-handed, I sometimes limp. I try not to limp in early position due to the threat of a raise. However, with connectors, suited connectors, and at times, one-gappers...I limp. Well, I only limped this session. This is all still a work in progress. I'm sure many of you may disagree with the road I am taking...but I want to experiment with it now while it is still cheap. I don't want to start doing so in the future when it will cost me more money. That is all for now...I'd love to hear your comments.

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Old 03-28-2009, 12:25 PM #59 (permalink)  
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I dont think anyone is against limping behind other limpers when we have position with suited connectors / gappers / small pp's, the problem is when people start open limping from EP/MP. What are you going to do if someone raises behind you?? Limp/call so we're now OOP in a raised pot with a weak hand and a relatively easy to read range?? Or limp/fold which is one of the most exploited plays around imo??

As to the actual hand, I dont really like it. I mean it could at least be 34s and we could at least be on the BTN. What else are you calling with here? 23/34/45/56/67/78/89/910 etcetcetcetcetcetcetcetc? My point is that if you start constantly calling EP raises with junk because of "implied odds" (this is essentially why we are calling) then the very infrequent times you do flop a monster wont make up for the countless times you dont hit anything.

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Old 03-28-2009, 01:17 PM #60 (permalink)  
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This particular hand was called due to villain's large stack and his nittiness. To be honest, you're right...I may have called with all those hands (besides 23). I basically knew what he had and knew that if I hit the flop hard...I'd be playing for his stack. Again, I'm just trying everything out. I rarely call these hands from MP and never limp these hands from EP.

Everything worked rather well yesterday...but that is such a small sample size that it is irrelevant. I definitely appreciate your feedback sil...thank you.

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Old 03-28-2009, 03:57 PM #61 (permalink)  
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fwiw i hadn't noticed effective stacks were 200bb+. You also need to consider the people left to act when making a call like this. If the BTN or blinds are aggro / squeeze happy then we're often just going to have to fold preflop to a 3bet.

im not saying "this is awful" or "dont ever do this" - just trying to make you see the reasons why people might not do it (because I assume those reasons are harder to see after winning a 400bb+ pot).

i guess what I'm saying is you needn't think that this is somethign you should do this every single time.

glad things are going well, keep it up!!
 
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Old 03-30-2009, 12:21 AM #62 (permalink)  
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So nothing much went on this weekend. Had work Saturday morning then went out at night. Also, my PokerTracker trial finished yesterday. I played a bit of poker today...but with no HUD...and it is not easy. I don't know who's the aggressor at the table and who plays passive. I'm actually not even sure when I should leave the table because I don't have any table stats up (I mean, I have an idea...but not always). All in all, I need an HUD. I'm not really happy about being dependent on something to play poker online...but it is definitely too hard for me to keep track of four tables at once. Does anybody else have this problem without HUD? How do you feel about it?

Anyway, most of you are probably wondering why I don't just buy PokerTracker. Well, my plan is to get the free trial of HEM as well and then decide. I didn't download it yet because I have a big midterm next Monday and I don't plan on planning any poker this week. Self-exclusion will be my friend. I'm actually thinking of asking the mods to ban me from this site for a week (I wonder if that's possible?). I actually posted about this a while back...but nobody answered me: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...on-t82582.html. So mods, if you are by any chance reading this, ban me for a week! Thank you!

Well, that's really it for now. This will probably be my last post (or second to last if anything good happens tonight) for a week. Good luck everyone!

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Old 04-07-2009, 05:10 AM #63 (permalink)  
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The wait is finally over...I'm FINALLY back to playing poker after my week off for studying. As for that studying thing...I barely studied and probably flunked my test. Eh, shit happens. ANYWAY, onward with poker!

The biggest change in my poker world right now is the change to Hold 'Em Manager. My review? It OWNS PT3. It is 100x easier to use and the layout is nicer. Also, it does not crash three times a session. I will be staying with HEM. I am using the colors to tag fish. Players with a VPIP greater than 28 get the green light and the punishment. Any VPIP under 15 gets red lighted and I proceed with caution. I will be color coordinating other stats as well as I go on keep playing with it. Cbets will definitely be the next stat to be changed. This is a ton of help when multi-tabling and glancing at the table. It helps with table selection...I get out of the table quickly if there are not many green lights around.

Another thing that changed my game is this thread: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...rs-t56814.html. So simple and easy. I KNEW this...but until I read this thread, I didn't practice this. This thread owns and I suggest you all read it.

As for today's session, I was whipping ass and taking names. I am dedicated to getting myself the hell out of 5NL. I played for 819 hands and won $31.88 (38.93 BB/100). Not a bad session if I don't say so myself. I am playing more aggressive post-flop. I am still quite loose with my preflop hands...which I don't think I'll be changing just yet. I hope this momentum carries into tomorrow. I was DYING to stay on and keep playing...but I will be going to the gym early tomorrow morning and I know it is not the smartest thing.

Also, tomorrow I will be heading over to the Borgata to get back to playing a little bit of live poker. I've been DYING to do this and I finally have the time too with Spring Break starting and all. Hopefully by the end of this Spring Break, I will be out of 5NL and into 10NL. Anyway, I leave you with a few hands since people won't write on my OP otherwise!

In this first hand, I got quite lucky. Villain was aggressive in every hand I've seen him in...and I just assumed this was some of the same. An awful call on the flop by me...I really, really, REALLY have to get away from slowplaying my sets. A flush would have killed me:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($10.75)
UTG+1 ($5.61)
MP1 ($7.98)
MP2 ($8.45)
Hero (CO) ($10.74)
Button ($4.50)
SB ($10.43)
BB ($9.90)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6, 6
UTG calls $0.05, UTG+1 bets $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.72) 6, 4, 9 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.22) 3 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.65, MP1 raises to $1.30, Hero raises to $6, UTG+1 calls $4.26 (All-In), MP1 raises to $7.28 (All-In), Hero calls $1.28

River: ($21.69) 4 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $21.69 | Rake: $1.05
Main pot: $16.95 between UTG+1, MP1 and Hero, won by Hero
Side pot 1: $4.74 between MP1 and Hero, won by Hero

Hand 2 is a bit messier. Villain is 68/16. He knows enough to be cbetting pots. I didn't see him 3-betting small or mid pocket pairs.

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Button ($6.30)
Hero (SB) ($11.16)
BB ($3.70)
UTG ($6.97)
MP ($6.88)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.20, 2 folds, MP raises to $0.35, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.85) 7, 3, 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.85) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.45, MP calls $1.45

River: ($4.75) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, MP raises to $4.58 (All-In), Hero calls $2.08

Total pot: $13.91 | Rake: $0.65


As for my biggest losing hand? A bit of a cooler...I kind of expected AQ but I had to throw AK in there which is why I went all-in on river.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($5.48)
Button ($6.70)
SB ($2.95)
Hero (BB) ($10.23)
UTG ($1.93)
UTG+1 ($1.80)
MP1 ($12.37)
MP2 ($3.06)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, J
5 folds, Button calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, Hero bets $0.20, Button calls $0.15, SB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.60) 3, 2, J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, Button calls $0.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.60) A (2 players)
Hero bets $1.40, Button calls $1.40

River: ($4.40) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button calls $3

Total pot: $10.40 | Rake: $0.50
Main pot: $10.40 between Button and Hero, won by Button

That's it for now. I'm glad to be BACK!

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Old 04-09-2009, 02:49 AM #64 (permalink)  
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Well, I'm back from my run at the Borgata. I actually played at Bally's today since my bus left from there. As you may have read in earlier posts, I started out as a live player. One thing that I noticed in coming back to live poker...I have a much bigger level of confidence. I've seen so many hands and situations that I feel really good about my decision-making. I felt really good on the tables these past two days.

Day one (well, I got there at night) started off quite well. I was getting cards. The players were raising regularly and playing well. A set beat me early on but I came back to win over $295. No hands really stick out in my mind...except my last hand where I limped with aces, somebody else raised, and I went all-in. He got stacked.

I went to play over at Bally's...what a shithole. The poker room is tiny and the directors suck. There was a waiting list and short tables all around. Quite annoying. Anyway, I didn't fare as well here. I had quite the headache and the cards just weren't coming my way. There was a whole lot of limping by the players (though I was raising a good amount of the time). When I raised, players would usually fold so there was a large stack of white chips in front of me from stealing all these blinds and limps. I couldn't switch off the nitfest since there were barely any tables and the table was short (you are not allowed to change tables if your table is short). In the end, online poker > live poker. Table selection and such puts it over the top. However, there is nothing like the feeling of getting away with a well-coordinated bluff in live poker.

I won't be playing poker tonight due to my head pounding and my having to get up early tomorrow morning. Hopefully I will get some hands in tomorrow night that I can post up here. Later guys.

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Old 04-10-2009, 01:17 AM #65 (permalink)  
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Well, just finished a mini-session of 358 hands in 100 minutes. I won $13.78 in that session for a winrate of 38.49 BB/100. This puts my bankroll over $170. However, I lost focus a bit, started to get tired, and decided to stop. This is a pretty good thing for me because I usually stay on and begin to donk my money away. Tonight it was different. Poker is always available; there's no reason for me to force things.

A question about HEM: does anybody know how to get hands/hr up? I understand how to calculate so don't be a smartass and tell me to calculate it...I'm just lazy and would rather have HEM do it. Also, is there any way to show the stats shown? Thanks!

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Well, I just finished another session. It started very up and down...twas quite tough for me to get traction. However, once I got rolling, I didn't really stop. However, I had to get off for a second (which is why am now writing on my blog) due to a really bad play on my part...needed a breather. I'll describe it below.

However, before I do so, here are my two biggest moneymakers of the night:

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($2.95)
MP1 ($2.25)
MP2 ($3.83)
CO ($3.43)
Button ($7.56)
Hero (SB) ($10.03)
BB ($4.79)
UTG ($8.78)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 9
UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: ($0.25) 4, 7, 10 (5 players)
Hero bets $0.10, 1 fold, UTG raises $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.85) 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.10, MP2 raises $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, UTG raises $0.70, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.45

River: ($2.80) J (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $5.15, Hero raises $8.98 (All-In), UTG calls $2.58 (All-In)

Total pot: $18.26

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($7.02)
UTG ($2.27)
UTG+1 ($6.70)
MP1 ($1.93)
MP2 ($5.78)
MP3 ($5.08)
CO ($6)
Button ($5.70)
Hero (SB) ($10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, J
6 folds, Button bets $0.15, Hero raises $0.58, BB calls $0.55, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.35) 3, 9, K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, BB raises $2, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($5.35) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.10, Hero raises $5, BB calls $2.32 (All-In)

River: ($14.19) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $14.19

Comment away, please!

Anyway, as for the hand that really tilted me, here it is:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($2.95)
BB ($2.25)
UTG ($3.23)
MP1 ($1.38)
MP2 ($7.34)
Hero (CO) ($18.61)
Button ($4.69)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, K
UTG bets $0.15, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.52) K, J, K (3 players)
UTG bets $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20, Hero raises $0.70, 2 folds

Total pot: $1.12

Why did I raise here? There was absolutely NO reason for me to do so. A worse hand would NOT be calling me here...only better hands. I think it was a pretty bad move...small pot, but really tilted me. Kind of disappointed in myself. Plays like this really remind me that I'm just a noob. I should get over it in a few minutes...but still quite disappointed.

However, a few hands after that, I witnessed the second straight flush I've ever seen. A little bit of a suckout, but still a nice to get a straight flush:

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP2) ($10)
MP3 ($1.73)
CO ($3.75)
Button ($1.20)
SB ($2.88)
BB ($6)
UTG ($11.05)
UTG+1 ($9.95)
MP1 ($6.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3, 5
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, MP1 bets $0.10, 2 folds, CO raises $0.25, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.20, MP1 raises $0.30, CO calls $0.15, UTG+1 calls $0.15

Flop: ($1.27) 9, 9, Q (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $4, MP1 calls $4, 1 fold

Turn: ($9.27) K (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $3, MP1 calls $2.40 (All-In)

River: ($14.07) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $14.07

I invited hero of that hand to come join FTR. Hopefully he does and takes credit for this straight flush here. Anyway, downstairs to eat, a little TV, and back on the grind. I'd like to win $9 more to get myself the $200 needed to go up to 10NL. Good luck!

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Old 04-12-2009, 03:15 AM #67 (permalink)  
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H1 I'm probably playing this passively since there are so many ppl, but I also fold pflop.

H2- Alright, bluff 3betting since you obv. had a read that he opens light and folds to 3bet. Otherwise this is spew.

H3- Meh. The raise isn't terrible.
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I played a mini-session this morning. I won $16.01 in 197 hands putting me over the $200 I wanted to go into 10NL. I imposed a table limit on myself to 5NL so in 24 hours I will be able to play 10NL. Why'd I impose a table limit on myself? I knew I'd take a shot without having the required bankroll if I were to be drunk, tilting, etc. Also, PokerStars requires about 24 hours before changing the table limits...these 24 hours gives me the time to grind out some more cushion for these new stakes.

The biggest hands were against a maniac that was going all-in many times over. I got pocket 10s and punished him for going all-in. Later, I got AJs and punished him once more. The majority of my money came from those two hands. Easy enough.

Another interesting hand where I was on a straight draw. I'm not exactly positive I played this hand correctly. Being that I had two less outs for the straight (the two hearts), should I have not called the flop bet? Was I to consider villain having a flush draw? I sucked out on a monster hand and won...but not sure I'm too happy about it. Also, as for the river bet, how is my bet sizing there?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($1.39)
UTG+1 ($12.06)
MP1 ($11.02)
Hero (MP2) ($10.46)
CO ($6.63)
Button ($4.77)
SB ($9.08)
BB ($8.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 10, Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, MP1 calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.30, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.97) A, J, 9 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.30, MP1 raises $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, UTG+1 calls $0.30

Turn: ($2.77) 7 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50

River: ($4.27) 8 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $2.75, 1 fold, MP1 calls $2.75

Total pot: $9.77

That's all for now. I would really appreciate some commentary on this hand. Thanks!

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Old 04-13-2009, 02:25 AM #69 (permalink)  
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Meh. I fold preflop as this is kinda Laggy (QTs I might even fold). I probably fold the flop b/c UTG lead out and still gets to act behind us, and him putting in a hefty raise here and us folding would suck hard. Obv have to call turn. It's obvious on turn that MP1 is a donkey and will pay you off, so I bet the river harder. He might have two pair/doesn't realize AQ beats nothing.

So far all I've noticed ITT is that you need to fold more preflop IMO.
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Old 04-13-2009, 04:32 AM #70 (permalink)  
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Thank you Ill. I appreciate the feedback. I am a bit on the laggy side...but that's how I'm playing as of right now. It's been working...and I'm really afraid to tighten up (until it stops working obviously).

I ran rather well in my first 10NL session. I was getting cards and playing on the aggressive side. In 825 hands, I won $15.30 (9.27 BB/100). The first thing I notice on the 10NL tables are the shortstacks. 70-80% of the players at my tables were shortstacks (20-50bb). They were rather aggressive also. This made for easy all-in calls with pretty good hands (shortstacks were pushing with nothing hands). In my opinion, this made 10NL a lot easier than 5NL. However, I am attributing tonight's easy session to it being a Sunday night (I am in no way making an assumption on this small of a sample size). I am expecting tougher play in 10NL...tonight was seriously too easy (not being cocky...it really was ridiculous play). An example of this play is seen in this hand (not shortstacked):

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($10)
MP2 ($10.10)
MP3 ($5)
CO ($4.65)
Button ($7.55)
SB ($11.15)
Hero (BB) ($11.25)
UTG ($5.65)
UTG+1 ($4.95)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, MP2 bets $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, SB calls $0.45, Hero raises $2.40, 1 fold, MP2 calls $2, 1 fold, SB raises $10.65 (All-In), 1 fold, MP2 calls $7.60 (All-In)

Flop: ($23.30) 2, 5, 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($23.30) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($23.30) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $23.30

I was in shock when I saw this hand. I've never seen a hand this bad happen in 5NL. The odd thing is I saw these kind of plays happen about 8-9 times tonight. It must be a full moon tonight. I wish I could have stayed on to pick these kind of plays off...but I must wake up early tomorrow. I'm pretty excited to get back on the tables to see how tomorrow goes.

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One thing, why 3-bet so large? You are betting nearly 5x him. Thats a lil TOO big lol. I typically make it 3.5x as a rule, unless of course they will call the bigger raises with worse.
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Hey Boo...
Couple of Q's.
At which point in your BR did you jump to 5nl and how many hands did it take you to get from 5nl to 10nl?
Did you always buyin for max at 5nl?
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So I finally got the nerve to write on FTR again. The nerve? Why would I need nerve to write on FTR? Well, keep reading.

As you may know, I FINALLY got to 10NL. After 36,000+ hands, I reached 10NL. Good for me. FINALLY! Well, here's my confession:

IT ONLY TOOK ME 3000 HANDS TO RUIN THAT BANKROLL.

Yes, I lost $175 in 3200 hands. I am back down to 2NL...and I am disgusted with myself. How did this all happen?

I was playing 10NL and I was getting beat. Something in my brain switched. My old gambler mentality turned on. I started playing bad...just BAD poker. Huge pots, small hands...and I was getting beat left and right. Finally, I hit $50 and FINALLY (a little bit TOO late) chose to stop the bleeding.

Why didn't I go back to 5NL when I was supposed to? I stayed in 5NL for such a long time...I really didn't let myself go back. I was stubborn and my ego/pride took over.

Why didn't I just get off the computer? Well, at the time, it just wasn't that easy.

I went through denial. Basically, this whole thing wasn't my fault. All a bunch of bad beats...and that story is all a bunch of bullshit. I went against proper BRM and got burned.

Also, I thought I could simply deposit $150 and get my bankroll back. Luckily, I didn't allow myself to do that.

I went through anger. I was pissed at myself for doing such a stupid thing. This whole thing basically reminded me of my losing in sports wagering and blackjack (which I stopped). However, poker is different. There is NO need for me to gamble like this...but I did.

Finally, I accepted everything but I didn't come clean to anybody. I stayed away from the forum due to the shame I feel...but I have to come clean and that's what I'm doing. I don't want this thread to turn into Slevin's thread ...because I don't want to keep going back and forth with this (no offense Slevin!).

I fucked up...and hopefully I've learned from this. I can't be 100% positive that I've learned my lesson until this situation arises again...but I this mistake will always be in the back of my mind. It's a huge setback and a shame since I finally got into 10NL. Dranger said in his new 25NL OP that his BR took off at 10NL. I didn't give that a chance to happen...and now I'm back to the beginning.

Well, hopefully somebody can look at this and learn from it. This can happen to anybody (well, not ANYBODY, but you know what I mean). Simply KNOWING bankroll management isn't enough. You have to be disciplined enough to practice it. One moment of weakness and you can get burned.

As for the regulars, don't give me a "sorry to hear that." This is totally my mistake and I should get stones thrown at me for it. Tell me how bad I fucked up...tell me how stupid I am. But please, NO PITY!

And here's my DISGUSTING graph (prepare to vomit):



This can happen to YOU if you don't follow proper bankroll management. Hopefully everybody learns a little bit from this!

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I'm sorry to hear about this, but you've ultimately done a good job of being responsible for your actions. You didn't blame anything/anyone but yourself and you should be proud of that. It takes a lot for a man to admit he's wrong, and you've done that. Now get back on the horse and do what you know you should. People who make mistakes and come back and learn from them are the ones who succeed. Good luck man!
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Dude... sick. I am really sorry to hear about what happened, but at least you manned up and got back on the forums. I was wondering where u had been. I guess now I know. I did something similar at the very beginning of my OP back in November/December. I tilted, went to 25nl and burned off all but $3 of my roll. I managed to claw my way back without depositing and here I stand. I have thoroughly learned my lesson, and will never (as far as I can help it) break my BRM rules.

I'm glad you decided to come back and let us know what you did. Seriously, that alone will make you a better player. It did me. Please take this as a lesson to not break the rules again. I don't want to see another post like this. It sickens me to see someone else make a similar mistake like I did, its not fun. Just make sure you are able to move on, and don't beat yourself up about it anymore than u have to.

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Ahhh...2NL. Oh, how I've missed you. Well, not really. I hit 2NL up and I hit it hard tonight. I played 914 hands and won $22.98 to go an astonishing 62.86BB/100. I forgot exactly how easy 2NL is...and it's 100x easier the second time around (although I obviously hit many good hands). 2NL plays TOTALLY different than 5NL or 10NL, no matter what people say (and probably all limits above that as well...I just don't want to comment on limits I haven't played). I guess if I'm going to climb the ladder back up to 10NL, I might as well chronicle everything I see instead of just updating you guys on my progress. Anyway, here goes:

Generally speaking, I see three types of villains at 2NL. One villain has a ridiculously high VPIP and a near-zero PFR. Another is the maniac with a high VPIP and PFR. Finally comes the ubernit (probably multi-tabling 8-15 tables). This villain only plays AJs+, AQo+, and TT+.

The most common villain seems to be Mr. High VPIP, No PFR. This villain LOVES to see flops. One general rule here is to raise preflop with strong-medium hands. This villain will call with just about anything and this is a major leak (this leak basically helped me win the money I did today). Now, villain sees the flop...and it's fit-or-fold time (SUPER leak...#1 MONEYMAKER!). Simply c-bet the flop and they'll most likely fold. If they call, they've hit something. If you have something yourself, VALUETOWN! Seriously that simple.

In addition to the whole raising, c-bet idea...another way to beat this villain is by limping. Yes, LIMPING! A major difference between 2NL and the other limits is the super-low PFR. This means that you will NOT be punished for limping with a raise behind you (well, most of the time you won't be). I was limping away in all positions with my connectors, small pocket pairs, and suited one-gappers. Hopefully you hit the flop hard and are able to take villain to valuetown. If not, bluff the pot (if board texture dictates it smart to) and hope villain didn't hit a thing (which he probably didn't most of the time).

One more thing about this villain...if you ever find yourself facing a preflop raise, know you're probably facing quite the strong hand and play accordingly.

Now, the maniacs: possibly the biggest goldmine of them all. I don't understand what exactly is going through their mind...but I guess they assume over-aggression will win them pots...and they're right. However, these pots are tiny. Their preflop raises mean NOTHING. The easiest way I find beating them is to call them down with your medium-strength hands...you are more than likely ahead. Obviously your premium hands work amazingly here as they will play right into them. There is no need to build a pot as they will do it for you.

The ubernits usually don't help you win much money unless you hit against them. I may call they're raise with a speculative hand. The ubernits hand is basically turned face-up at this point. Use this to your advantage. Tonight I called with a pocket pair and hit my set. Ubernit obviously had an overpair and put himself all-in. SHIP IT!

As for playing Ax, be kicker careful! Like other limits (at least 5NL), these players love playing ANY ace. Be careful with pairs of aces and low-kickers being that there may just be an ace with a higher kicker on the other end. This advice goes for poker in general...but I guess I'm just saying be extra careful around players that will never fold aces. You can't bluff them off that ace (they just don't understand the concept of shitty kickers I guess).

One outstanding thing I've noticed at 2NL is the min-bet. I don't really understand this move much and hopefully somebody can clarify what they believe it means. What do I mean by min-bet? I've seen players bet two cents into a pot of 98 cents. What the HELL does that mean? Mostly, I've seen it signifies a bottom or middle pair (never usually top pair). However, I would sometimes raise this bet to only have this answered by a reraise. Players in 2NL don't usually bluff so I'm gone after this reraise. I'm definitely going to say that this bet puzzles me a bit. It USUALLY signifies weakness but there ARE times that villain will 3bet. Anybody with any advice on this queer (this word works in so many ways here) bet?

As for the "small hand, small pot; big hand, big pot," notion; this is totally out the window for me at these stakes. Players at this level are willing to call huge bets down to the river with TPNK. It really is amazing. TPTK and two pair win HUGE pots at these stakes. I don't mind creating a huge pot with my TPTK and bringing villain all-in...I'm usually ahead.

I'm no expert on poker and am nowhere CLOSE to one. I actually suck ass at poker (no joke, I do). I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for most of the things I wrote here...but this is just what I find to hold true at 2NL. And again, this is ONLY for 2NL. I find this limit to play different from ANY other limit. I TOTALLY disagree with those that say 2NL plays just like 5NL. There's no way it does. Players here are literally throwing their money into a pot that they CANNOT win. It's up to you to just TAKE it!

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I jumped up to 5NL for the time being. I know, I know, I'm playing too high for my bankroll. How can I do this after what just happened to me? Well, I'm a little more aggressive with my bankroll when it's smaller. There is less to protect and a lot more to gain from hopping up to 5NL.

5NL definitely won't be lasting for too long anyway. I've decided to deposit my way back up to 10NL once I get this week's paycheck. Yes, I'm doing so even though I promised myself not to. Why? I've chosen to take full advantage of Pokerstars' reload bonus. That means I'm depositing $600 into Pokerstars by week's end. However, I will not count all of it toward my bankroll. I will probably just put $150 of it towards by bankroll and try and ignore the other $450. That means I will look at my bankroll as whatever the number says in the cashier box minus $450. This will help me avoid jumping limits too quickly.

That's really it for now. I've decided to stop playing poker since my bed is calling me. I will be succumbing to my bed more often since my being tired leads to bad decisions. My bad decisions lead to tilt. And my tilt leads to bad decisions...and we all (well, at least the people that actually read this damn thing) remember what happened to me not too long ago. Later!

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So I went on tilt again. Yup, AGAIN. I know what you're all thinking...jeez, he blew his bankroll again. NOPE! The exact opposite. The SECOND I felt myself getting frustrated and sick of the shitty spots and beats that were being bestowed upon me, I got off the tables and turned on some George Lopez. Ah, how that Mexican can make me smile and calm me down.

But seriously, the beginning of tonight's session ended quickly. I was put in REALLY bad spots. 9's vs. T's, J's vs. Q's, and straight vs. straight were a few of the hands in the session. I also had kicker trouble (J vs. Q). My biggest mistake in all of these pots was making the pot big for no reason. I had good cards...but none of these cards really called for a large pot. Anyway, I lost about $17 and chose to get off and relax a little bit.

After watching some TV, I chose to get back on and pwn. I did exactly that. I won $14.35 in 537 hands (32.23 BB/100). I was catching sick cards...but playing good poker as well. Here is tonight's graph (hopefully you can tell when I came back on...this is the effect George Lopez can have on poker):



It really shouldn't be that big of a deal...but I'm a little proud that I was smart enough to get offline for a bit and shake everything off before things got bad. Hopefully I can get off just as quickly in the future when I recognize that I'm beginning to tilt.

I haven't really had a long session in a week or so. I've been getting tired earlier since I've been hitting up the gym in the morning. Hopefully I can grind a bit longer this weekend...but we'll see.

Anyway, I've noticed a HUGE, GLARING leak in my game. I definitely don't 3bet [light] enough...and I know I'm folding to 3bets way too often. Anybody know of any good guides on here? I've read this one: http://poker-strategy.flopturnriver....t-Strategy.php, but I definitely have to read it over and over to digest it. It's quite a dense article. Are there any other good ones? Any advice on 3betting? I'm sure this won't come into play much until 25NL or 50NL...but I want to work on it early so I can have it down by the time I reach those stakes.

Well, I'm outta here guys. I have to go check if my TiVo recorded another George Lopez. YES! I leave you with my biggest hand of the night:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (CO) ($11.08)
Button ($8.42)
SB ($5.95)
BB ($16.22)
UTG ($2.03)
UTG+1 ($5)
MP1 ($2.22)
MP2 ($7.58)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, 6
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.15, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) 8, 7, Q (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.97) 10 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BB raises to $2.75, Hero calls $2.05

River: ($6.47) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $1.60, Hero raises to $7.93 (All-In), BB calls $6.33

Total pot: $22.33 | Rake: $1.10

Results in white below:
BB had 9, J (straight, Queen high).
Hero had A, 6 (flush, Ace high).
Outcome: Hero won $21.23

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My advice, don't worry about 3betting light until at LEAST 10nl, and even then only against players you have a larger sample on that shows hes kinda looser and aggro. Don't even ATTEMPT that shit at 5nl lol. I was just starting to 3ball light at 25nl and I'm doing fine (ldo ) but yea, just focus on the fundamentals for now, worry about that stuff when the time comes. It wouldnt be a bad thing to LEARN how right now, but just dont APPLY it yet. You know what I mean? Like you're at a 5nl table, guy whos like 18/14 or something opens in the CO and ur in the SB with K6s, just be like, here would be a good spot to 3bet light, then fold. No need to force anything at these limits.

Good luck on grinding it back up, and nice work on getting off the tables before uber tllt set in!
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I think dranger makes a good point about 3-betting.

Focus on 3-betting for value at 2nl-10nl, get used to playing 3-bet pots with good hands before you start adding in strange junk - trust me you can get yourself into really tricky spots 3-betting T9s or A9o, espeically if you don't know why you're doing it.

Sometimes this will mean 3-betting only QQ+, other times you may be 3-betting a hand such as KQo - for value - but it is all dependant on your opponents range, and how your opponent is likely to react to your 3-bet.

I started experimenting alot with 3-betting at 10nl, and it helped me get a better feel for it at 25nl. Understanding how to calculate expected value (EV) and working out problems mathematically away from the table will likely be a major factor in building the intuition needed at the table to quickly estimate whether 3-betting that blind stealer or nit is +EV.

As for leaving the tables when playing shitty and coming back when ready to go - that's probably one of the most underrated skills in poker, and I think it's something everyone (myself especially) needs to seriously work on.
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Old 04-24-2009, 03:57 PM #81 (permalink)  
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Hi BooG,

I wanted to pick your brain for some HUD stat advice since I'm just getting started with Holdem manager.
At 2nl (remember....its 2nl) what HUD stats should I have on the screen?
Right now I have VPIP, PFR, Agg factor, fold to cbet%, cbet% and 3bet...
I dont see much point in 3bet b/c at 2nl that usually means AQ+, JJ-QQ+, but I have it anyway.

Is there anything else you'd recommend? Thanks!
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It definately won't hurt your game to learn more about 3betting, particularly in BTN vs Blinds sort of situations. The thing is, you'll really have to have some good reads / very good smaple sizes to know who 3betting light against will be profitable. So whilst learning is always good, don't be tempted to read up on it, and constantly start 3betting Axs from the blinds at 5NL / 10NL. Micro2Macro makes a very solid point in terms of how you change your 3bet VALUE range vs different villains.

FWIW, I'm at 50NL and 3bet pots is possibly one of the areas I need to improve in most. So whilst it shouldn't do you any harm to read up on it and maybe start implementing it vs the right people, it definately isn't a necessity.
 
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Hey buddy. I guess I'll post the answer in my blog so others wondering the same thing can see the answer with it.

I suggest steal stats as well. Everybody has their own preferences but I have overall steals. If you hover over that stat, a pop-up comes up breaking down the stats (steals from button, SB, CO, etc.). That's really the only other thing I can imagine having.

One thing that HEM has that is a huge help is the color-coding of the stats. You can color-code them whichever way you want. For example, villains with a VPIP < 15 or a PFR < 7 are in red. Red means I won't be getting much from them, nit, gay, and I basically expect them to play good hands. For VPIP > 28 and PFR > 17, I label them green. They are looser and will play weaker hands. They will be giving me the majority of my winnings. I am yet to color-code AF, but I'm sure you get the idea. I'm thinking a AF < 1.8 will be red while a AF > 3.9 will be green. I'm sure you get the general idea!

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Yeah I love the color coding...
I think for now I changed the color for >30 VPIP and <7 PFR.
I find that at 2nl players either have <10 VPIP or they are >40 VPIP...

I'll have to look at the steal stats....There is so little done at 2nl it seems...
So this stat tells how often THEY steal or how often they FOLD to a steal?
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Old 04-25-2009, 06:44 PM #85 (permalink)  
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To start off, allow me to answer Vinland's question. This stat actually tells you how much THEY steal...but hovering over the stat will present a pop-up that lets you know how often they FOLD to a steal. Hope that helps.

Anyway, onward with my progress. I'm still on a massive heater and am breezing through 5NL. I played a mini-session today (wanted to get one in before work). I won $23.91 in 358 hands (66.79 BB/100). Thank God...I don't really want to stay down here too long. I will be making my $600 deposit on April 30th. With that, I'll move back up to 10NL and ignore the rest of the bankroll.

Ragnar and I played together yesterday (he scolded me for sitting to his left LOL). We spoke about the whole starting tables thing. I personally like the idea of it...but when there aren't any fishy tables. Obviously I'll be sitting down at the fishy tables before starting my own tables. The great thing about starting tables is that most of those taking the seats AREN'T other regs. They're usually new players (according to my database) and they aren't very good. Usually, the first round of people that sit are fish. However, the sharks come with the quickness so rotating tables is usually what happens.

Anyway, I'll leave you with a hand I have a question about (do I keep the pot smaller?):

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($3.53)
UTG+1 ($4.86)
MP1 ($6)
MP2 ($4.93)
MP3 ($9.08)
CO ($17.14)
Button ($4.93)
SB ($5)
Hero (BB) ($10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, MP1 calls $0.05, 2 folds, CO calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.82) 5, J, 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.40, MP1 calls $0.40

Turn: ($2.02) Q (3 players)
Hero bets $1.45, UTG+1 calls $1.45, 1 fold

River: ($4.92) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.76, UTG+1 calls $2.76 (All-In)

Total pot: $10.44 | Rake: $0.50

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Old 04-25-2009, 09:49 PM #86 (permalink)  
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Only thing wrong with your hand is bet more on the flop. Bet closer to pot, say 60-70ish. Other than that, fine as played.
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Old 04-26-2009, 06:30 PM #87 (permalink)  
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Proof that variance and bad beats run both ways (remember that boys!):

Gotta love one outers! Too bad Pokerstars doesn't have a BBJ.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($2.03)
BB ($9.55)
UTG ($6)
UTG+1 ($8.88)
Hero (MP1) ($10.42)
MP2 ($6.10)
CO ($1.80)
Button ($2.04)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 5, 5
2 folds, Hero calls $0.05, MP2 bets $0.20, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.47) J, 5, A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

Turn: ($0.47) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, MP2 calls $0.35

River: ($1.17) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, MP2 raises to $5.55 (All-In), Hero calls $4.05

Total pot: $12.27 | Rake: $0.60

Results:
Hero had 5, 5 (four of a kind, fives).
MP2 had A, A (full house, Aces over fives).
Outcome: Hero won $11.67

Two hands later:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($5.81)
Hero (Button) ($10)
SB ($5.33)
BB ($2.66)
UTG ($2)
UTG+1 ($9.80)
MP1 ($3.74)
MP2 ($5.90)
MP3 ($7.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 5
UTG calls $0.05, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.05, SB bets $0.15, BB calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.75) 5, 3, 6 (5 players)
SB bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.70, UTG+1 calls $0.70

Turn: ($4.05) 3 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25, 1 fold

River: ($6.55) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $0.26 (All-In), Hero calls $0.26

Total pot: $7.07 | Rake: $0.30

Results:
Hero had 5, 5 (full house, fives over threes).
BB had 4, 4 (straight, seven high).
Outcome: Hero won $6.77

I really just wanted to experiment with a 3bet here (villain had a wide range):
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UTG ($4.62)
UTG+1 ($4.45)
MP1 ($2.50)
MP2 ($2.77)
CO ($2.79)
Button ($5.93)
Hero (SB) ($12.69)
BB ($9.16)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 9
5 folds, Button bets $0.19, Hero raises to $0.80, 1 fold, Button raises to $1.41, Hero calls $0.61

Flop: ($2.87) 7, A, J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($2.87) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, Button raises to $3, Hero raises to $4.52, Button calls $1.52 (All-In)

River: ($11.91) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $11.91 | Rake: $0.55

Results:
Button mucked A, A (three of a kind, Aces).
Hero had 10, 9 (straight, Queen high).
Outcome: Hero won $11.36

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Old 04-26-2009, 07:01 PM #88 (permalink)  
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1 - open limping. . . . . wat?

2 - raise flop on more. think about likely ranges that are continuing to a raise on that board, and then think about the size the pot is BEFORE your raise, and how decent the odds you're giving them are.

3 - why are you 3betting so large pre? do you 3bet this big with your value range too? I guess people wont notice if you size value 3bets and bluff 3 bets differently at 5NL but if your value 3bets are to like 3x then it follows your bluffs should be too a lot of the time. one of the main reasons for this is that its cheaper for us.

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Old 04-26-2009, 07:41 PM #89 (permalink)  
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1 - open limping. . . . . wat?

2 - raise flop on more. think about likely ranges that are continuing to a raise on that board, and then think about the size the pot is BEFORE your raise, and how decent the odds you're giving them are.

3 - why are you 3betting so large pre? do you 3bet this big with your value range too? I guess people wont notice if you size value 3bets and bluff 3 bets differently at 5NL but if your value 3bets are to like 3x then it follows your bluffs should be too a lot of the time. one of the main reasons for this is that its cheaper for us.

nice hands though sir. ldo.
1) Shit. I got caught open limping. I WILL open limp with small pocket pairs (and smaller suited connectors) when I can more than likely see a cheap flop. This is usually done with loose tables and very low PFRs. I understand that this habit must be cut in later stakes...but for now I occasionally setmine like this (again, depending on the table).

2) Admission: I'm not very good playing sets (especially against 2+ villains). I'm torn...I WANT to keep both of them in the pot...yet I don't want them sucking out. A little contradictory...I know. As I was posting this hand, I saw that I was giving them good odds to call...this is definitely something I will be looking to fix. Thanks sil.

3) I understand all 3bets (value and bluff) should be equal for deception purposes. However, I am still relatively new to the concept of 3bets. I learned that a 3bet from 3x to 4x is OK. For this particular pot, I leaned toward 4x to try to bluff him out. In the later stakes I will make sure to try to have a standard 3bet for both my value bets and my bluffs...but as you said, players at these stakes don't really take not of things like that.

The end of part 3 actually brings me to another point. I am now bet-sizing pre-flop according to position. Obviously hand strength is cut out as a factor for bet-sizing. However, players at 5NL do NOT take note of bet-sizing relative to hand strength. With this in mind, should I take advantage of this and bet according to hand strength at these stakes? Or should I simply keep up with this habit and not develop a bad one?

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This is just getting sick. Another one-outer. And yes, more open limping (the table called for it, I swear!):
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($5.67)
BB ($6.02)
UTG ($2.30)
UTG+1 ($5.05)
Hero (MP1) ($13.57)
MP2 ($9.98)
MP3 ($1.82)
CO ($8.28)
Button ($9.81)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 4, 4
2 folds, Hero calls $0.05, MP2 calls $0.05, MP3 calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, 1 fold, SB calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: ($0.30) 4, 5, K (6 players)
SB bets $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, 3 folds

Turn: ($0.60) 10 (2 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.30, SB raises to $5.47 (All-In), Hero calls $4.17

River: ($11.54) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $11.54 | Rake: $0.55

Results:
SB had 5, 5 (full house, fives over fours).
Hero had 4, 4 (four of a kind, fours).
Outcome: Hero won $10.99

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Old 04-30-2009, 04:36 AM #91 (permalink)  
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So it seems that everybody on FTR (at least the player's I really keep up on) is running bad. Well, guys, if you're reading this...sorry. I'm running really well and getting pretty damn lucky with hands and such. All your confidence is probably shot and it may seem like things won't look up again...but they will. Just don't sit at the table if you're not going to be playing your BEST poker. There's no reason to sit at the table with anything less. You have to sit down at the table knowing you're going to OWN the table and all the other players will look to see what your next move will be.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Caro
In response to frustration-or sometimes simply for adventure-we tend to stray from the proven profitable strategy we know will win. We play worse than we are capable.
You can't afford to do that anymore! I know of hundreds of players who are good at reading opponents and who know the correct strategy. But they're not playing today. They're sulking. Sulking because they lacked the ability to play their best game all the time. Is 50% of the time enough? Of course not. How about 75% of the time? No, that won't get the money. In fact, even 99% of the time may not be enough. It depends, of course, on how big an advantage you have over your opponents and how much you throw away in bad decisions when you don't play your best game. So, by saying 99% isn't enough, I'm also telling you that you must play your best game all the time. Make yourself a promise right now: I will play my best game all the time.
Of Mike Caro's tiny (crappy really) book of "Fundamental Secrets of Winning Poker," that one excerpt stuck out in my mind the most. And I honestly believe it may pertain to everybody who is running bad right now. I understand that it didn't start out with you guys NOT playing your best poker (bad beats, bad spots, etc.)...but it sometimes ends up that way. The bad beats lead to shitty play due to frustration. Don't sit down at the table if you feel that way. Take three days off from poker and do something else you may enjoy. Come back to poker fresh and ready to OWN some shit. Make the other players fear the SHIT out of you. Make them feel uncomfortable being at the table with you. THAT is how you win...and you simply CANNOT due this when you are frustrated and sick of poker (you may not be sick of poker...but you know what I mean).

Anywho, yesterday and the day before led to bad sessions. One session I was OWNED by some guy that I was playing HU with at a table I was starting. He hit flops so hard it was amazing. Tonight, I made up for the losses of the last two nights. I won $36.50 in 557 hands (65.53 BB/100). The players at 5NL are simply horrific.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($3.75)
MP2 ($2.04)
Hero (CO) ($10)
Button ($10.76)
SB ($1.29)
BB ($6)
UTG ($1.93)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, 10
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.25, Button calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.82) K, A, J (3 players)
MP1 bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25

Turn: ($1.57) 5 (3 players)
MP1 bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50

River: ($3.07) J (3 players)
MP1 bets $2.75 (All-In), Hero calls $2.75, Button raises $9.76 (All-In), Hero calls $6.25 (All-In)

Total pot: $23.82

Results:
Button had 8, A (two pair, Aces and Jacks).
MP1 didn't show
Hero had J, 10 (three of a kind, Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $22.67

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($7.79)
Hero (MP1) ($10.30)
MP2 ($10.18)
CO ($3.57)
Button ($9.93)
SB ($9.95)
BB ($10)
UTG ($2.56)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, Q
2 folds, Hero bets $0.20, MP2 raises to $0.60, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.27) 6, Q, Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.47) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1.75, MP2 calls $1.75

River: ($5.97) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP2 raises to $7.23 (All-In), Hero calls $1.23

Total pot: $20.43 | Rake: $1

Results:
Hero had A, Q (four of a kind, Queens).
MP2 had K, K (full house, Queens over Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $19.43

I've been trying to make my $600 deposit...but I forgot that I imposed a limit on my deposit limit (I did this after I tilted and fucked my bankroll). I went to change it last night...but it takes "1 business day" to change the deposit limit. It should have changed by now but it hasn't. Hopefully by tomorrow I can deposit for my bonus. That's really it for now. Guys (that are running bad), if you're reading this...know good things are coming soon. Bring a positive energy to the table and your skills will put everything into its place.

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Caro's book is actually very underrated imo, probably because it isn't 'technical' like other books. Definately a good read though.

I recently opened this book again, and it's had an immediate impact on my game already.

What's your Stars SN btw? I'm newguy89..been playing around the $5nl full ring tables for the last couple days. Perhaps we ran into each other?
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Good to see ur running well dude! Keep it up! I was running/playing (mostly playing after the first few BI's lost) bad until I moved down. Immediate upswong ensues at 10nl. One week later I'm back up to $680 from being down to $490 lol. <3 10nl.
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Caro's book is actually very underrated imo, probably because it isn't 'technical' like other books. Definately a good read though.

I recently opened this book again, and it's had an immediate impact on my game already.

What's your Stars SN btw? I'm newguy89..been playing around the $5nl full ring tables for the last couple days. Perhaps we ran into each other?
I agree...it's a good book. I'm not sure it's worth a buy though. Luckily I got it dirt cheap...but you can easily breeze through the book at a sitting in Barnes & Noble.

My PokerStars SN is BooG690. We haven't run into each other just yet. I knew your SN and kept an eye out to see if you were at any of my tables. No such "luck" (quotations because I wouldn't say it's luck to be at a table with you) yet...but I'm sure we'll bump heads sooner or later.

Another note on Caro's book...I enjoy his last chapter ("Final Winning Affirmation"). That chapter actually helps me through my tilt and has become a larger asset for me after my tilting of the roll. I suggest it be read again for those lacking confidence and on a brutal downswing. It helps with getting your mindset in the right place before playing poker.

Also, I found a video that describes poker very well. There are ups and downs...but it all comes back around. You have to take in the good energy and block the bad. Bring a winning attitude to the table and leave the scared money behind. Check it out to see what I'm talking about: The ultimate tilt mantra.

And then the way I feel when I get a bad beat and go on tilt: The cards should just go HOME!

Enjoy!

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Jeez, I haven't updated this thing in a while. Nothing's really happened in my poker world in the past few days (besides tonight's session) besides my depositing $600 for the bonus. I will be completely ignoring these $600 and still focus on building my roll. I will remain in 5NL until I reach the $200 plateau.

Anyway, I had quite the session today. The heater remains on. This was a longer session. In 1145 hands I made $15.41 (13.46 BB/100). I am a BIT disappointed in myself however. I knew I was getting tired, but I played for a bit more. I was up $27 at one point...but wanted to stay on because I had position on a station with a wide range. Unfortunately, he never paid me off and I was making bad decisions at my other tables.



Schya and I played for a while at one of the tables. We never really got into it...though it would be fun to see a hand play out.

I've been working a bit more on my 3bets and it's been coming with great success. I figure now is an OK time to start since I am finishing up 5NL and (hopefully) going into 10NL soon.

There are no outstanding hands this session. I played reasonably good poker and hope to extend this momentum into tomorrow's session.

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If you ever want a sweat (jeez, I seem to be offering this to a lot of ppl lol. Maybe i should start charging? ) at 10nl just give me a holler dude. Or if you wanna sweat me, and watch me play some tables, I'd be cool with that too.

Here's a suggestion the next time that whole having position on a massive fish think comes up: Just get off your other tables, and focus on that one. 1.) You admitted to be tired, so you won't be playing your best vs. other more "competent" villains. 2.) This will allow you to focus more on the fish, allowing you to value bet thinner/take away more pots.

Doing that is extremely profitable. It can be kinda dull doing 1 table of FR, but if you're tired, fuck it. Why burn money at other tables when you can pwn a donk at 1 and once he leaves you can instaleave yourself. Ez game sir.

Keep up the grind, and you'll be passing me up soon. Farking boot camp. *cries* (lol)
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Nice run boog making 3 BI at our table haha, After you left caveman went busto making bad calls. and ppl decided to start giving me their monies. Good playing one day we will get into a decent hand together.
 
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Caveman was the fish I was waiting to stack. Figures he'd give it all away after I leave. He wasn't getting too involved with me.

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Well, I'm over the $200 mark and ready to move onto 10NL. Today's session went rather well except one hand that I just didn't know how to play. Looking back, I should have bet more on the flop. It makes me sick that I didn't. I was about to quit after this hand...but didn't. I have to learn to deal with the bad decisions I make and not to tilt after making them. I didn't tilt and I went on to win more money. Here's that shitty hand so you can all see how shitty I played it:

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($9.95)
MP1 ($5.05)
MP2 ($5)
CO ($10)
Button ($6.36)
Hero (SB) ($14.73)
BB ($1.93)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 9
2 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, CO (poster) bets $0.35, 1 fold, Hero raises $1.18, 2 folds, CO (poster) calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.50) K, 10, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.50) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($5.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.50, 1 fold

Total pot: $5.50

I know...the flop bet should've been higher. There are WAY too many draws out there for me to be betting that little. It all goes back to my shitty playing of sets. I have to learn to play them better.

Anywho, off to 10NL I go. I'll probably start it up tonight and see how things go. Here's today's graph if anyone cares:



Dranger: As for the sweat, I honestly don't even know how to do those things. What would I need? If you can explain the whole thing or direct me to somewhere that explains it...I'd be down like Chinatown.

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All you gotta do is get teamviewer from teamviewer.com (allows me to see ur screen and vice versa) and skype from skype.com (like a phone for computers, faster than typing stuff back and forth.)

After that, you can just fire up some tables while I watch you play. We can talk about pretty much anything (poker or nonpoker related, whatever). I can make suggestions to help your play, you can explain to me why you do certain things, etc. Its a chance for us to both to see how others play/think. We can also do a sesh where you watch me play and you can ask me questions about my play and all that jazz.
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