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donkbee
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WELP
Join Date: May 2005
Location: so close but so far
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You are too hard on yourself. Don't forget that poker is supposed to be fun! (I think)
Sometimes I think that fewer females play poker (than men) because we are just way too emotional about everything. Like we just get so upset when things go badly. Although maybe this is just an excuse so that I can blame my tilt on something else...
What's your PhD focus? Sounds like it's environmental science, which I wish I studied more back when I was in school. Good luck!
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Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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donkbee
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WELP
Join Date: May 2005
Location: so close but so far
Posts: 3,604
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oh and rpm, I don't really agree with ignoring results. I think checking results can be important as long as you're honest about how you got them.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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rpm
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: learnin'
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that's a good point. ideally i wish i could (hypothetically) look at my results after every hand and be 100% indifferent regardless of what i saw. realistically, due to completely normal psychological issues such as results-orientation and attachment, i think most of us would be better off ignoring our results for the most part.
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Carroters
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Da Amberlamps
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Maybe there's another cause for your tilt. Is everything okay in your love life?
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Carroters
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Da Amberlamps
Posts: 2,216
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Originally Posted by rpm
that's a good point. ideally i wish i could (hypothetically) look at my results after every hand and be 100% indifferent regardless of what i saw. realistically, due to completely normal psychological issues such as results-orientation and attachment, i think most of us would be better off ignoring our results for the most part.
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Yeah it's easy to say we can look at results objectively, but it's very difficult given the innate link between money and emotion. I think the not checking your bankroll is a great idea and I think you need to rediscover that passion for analyzing and learning, soaking up all that info. i think if you can get back to that kind of mind set where everything is just a quest to make sure you're playing as best you can and making good decisions, the results will take care of themselves.
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donkbee
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WELP
Join Date: May 2005
Location: so close but so far
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Originally Posted by rpm
that's a good point. ideally i wish i could (hypothetically) look at my results after every hand and be 100% indifferent regardless of what i saw. realistically, due to completely normal psychological issues such as results-orientation and attachment, i think most of us would be better off ignoring our results for the most part.
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I'm not saying to look at your bankroll during your session because obviously there's not much benefit to doing that (assuming good BR management). You said to "ignore results", though, which sounded like you don't think we should be caring about end results at all.
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Yeah it's easy to say we can look at results objectively, but it's very difficult given the innate link between money and emotion. I think the not checking your bankroll is a great idea
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Sure it's difficult to see your bankroll go down, but playing poker means learning to disconnect yourself from the money in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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Icanhastreebet
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Full House
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: In the big blind, cold calling your opens, making you tilt.
Posts: 995
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
Sure it's difficult to see your bankroll go down, but playing poker means learning to disconnect yourself from the money in the first place.
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I think not checking results EVER would be optimal. I mean you obviously have to check to see when you can move up or w/e. But basically every mega grinder suggests never checking results. Also I've heard of people having their best weeks/months in periods where they don't check results at all during these periods of time. Nobody can tell me that it's better to consistently check results throughout a session/week/month as opposed to never checking.
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donkbee
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WELP
Join Date: May 2005
Location: so close but so far
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I can't think of any reason to check results other than to know when to move up and take shots. But since you need to check results for this reason, sounds like it would be a good idea to just get used to losing money and not caring.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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Petulie
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Straight
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 123
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Thanks for the encouragement guys!
Results orientation is defo not beneficial, Ima have to find out how to customise my sessions tab in PT3 so I can review without knowing how it went overall. Regardless, moving back down to 5NL was a humbling experience and I'm changing my focus from bankroll size as a sign of improvement to how I feel I've been playing during the session and while reviewing.
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
What's your PhD focus? Sounds like it's environmental science
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Environmental science is right, coming from a molecular biology background. Currently doing lab rotations to determine who I want to work with and on which project so no idea yet of the exact focus but something to with plants and/or bacteria to clean up environmental pollutants.
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donkbee
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WELP
Join Date: May 2005
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Originally Posted by Petulie
Currently doing lab rotations to determine who I want to work with and on which project so no idea yet of the exact focus but something to with plants and/or bacteria to clean up environmental pollutants.
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that sounds really interesting. be sure to post when once you've picked your project cuz i'd really like to know for some reason (living vicariously through you or something)
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, moving on up
Posts: 5,805
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an interesting way to deal with results orientated stuff is something i'm trying out again
1 - set a start date
2 - remove $$ won/lost and EV$ etc from all reports that you look at
3 - don't open cashier until you have played 10k hands
4 - repeat
for me this also acts as a grind incentive. I play the first few thousand hands in lazy mode, then i want to know my results so i end up actually getting in the hours for a while so i can see whether i should move up/withdraw.
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Petulie
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Straight
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 123
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Hey dudes. Been quietly grinding the 5NLs, ez game. I took at shot at 10NL when I was re-rolled just to boost my VPPs and secure silverstar status for this month and unfortunately I encountered a badass run bad and so had to move back down and rebuild. Nearly rolled for 10NL again but Ima stick to my plan of achieving 2.5BB/100 on ptr before moving up.
Life has been pretty crazy. I've been mad busy juggling lab work, background reading, bf and social life. Doesn't leave much time for the pokers which saddens me a bit. Did manage to get some good volume in over the weekend thanks to this nasty cold giving me a good excuse to stay in. Haven't reviewed at all, but I've got loads of hands marked so will eventually go through them and post some up.
For those of you interested in my scientific endeavours and other general interests, I've started a new blog at Madsen MA Just got it up and running today so it's pretty bare apart from my long ass introductory post. Much more to come in the next few weeks providing more background on interests etc. Still need to come up with a decent title, ideas welcome!
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Petulie
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Straight
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 123
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Hi guys!
Sad times I'm afraid, work has taken over my life. These 12 week projects are pretty hardcore, I'm really feeling the pressure of having to produce results in this limited timeframe as I've got to write up a report and face a 45 minute viva at the end. What little free time I afford myself has to go towards friends and spacing out to Skyrim so the poker's going to be on hold for the moment. I'll still be grinding for fun occasionally, but I doubt I'll even be achieving silverstar each month!
Anyway, thanks for all the advice and support, I've really appreciated it and I'll certainly be back at some point. Until then, all the best at the tables everyone, take them fishies monies!
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