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Old 12-21-2004, 10:23 PM     Post subject: Play from the blinds... #1 (permalink)  
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A place to discuss this might be a good idea. A lot of leaks come from incorrectly playing the blinds.
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Old 12-21-2004, 10:24 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I don't think is necessitates it's own forum, though.

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Old 12-21-2004, 11:26 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Here is some blind defense:

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2, 4.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button raises, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: (5 SB) 8, 6, 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (3.50 BB) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

Results in white below:
Button has Kd Ac (high card, ace).
Hero has 2h 4s (straight, six high).
Outcome: Hero wins 5.50 BB.


Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, A.
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button raises, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: (5 SB) 2, 7, J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2.50 BB) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (4.50 BB) K (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

Results in white below:
Button has 5s Ks (two pair, kings and fives).
Hero has Js Ad (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.50 BB.


The button on these hands was the same guy. Needless to say, he was pissed when I called with 24o. He started razzing me though on stealing my blinds, thats when the second one happened and he learned his lesson. This guy left, then the hand after that I was in the blinds again:


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Preflop: Hero is BB with J, 9.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB raises, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 8, T, 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 4 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins 4 BB.

Generally, if you know its a blind steal, or at least you have a pretty good idea it is, then 1 bet will help your table image. NL I have no idea


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Old 12-22-2004, 03:41 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I don't think is necessitates it's own forum, though.
The monkey knows things.
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Old 12-23-2004, 03:50 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the reply everyone.
e-jeff. Thanks for the blind defense hands. When I have problems in the blind I will continue to post them in the lmit hand's section. God I need help in this area. Seems like a lot of people will overdefend their blinds, I hardly defend them at all.
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Old 12-25-2004, 07:23 AM #6 (permalink)  

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OMG, Dan you have more Forum posts at FFD then here? :P
C-ya around.
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Old 12-28-2004, 09:30 PM #7 (permalink)  
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whats FDD?


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Old 12-29-2004, 04:14 AM #8 (permalink)  
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whats FDD?


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its the website of the deleteme person
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whats FDD?


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its the website of the deleteme person
still lost


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Old 12-29-2004, 05:23 AM #10 (permalink)  
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well, see that fellow who posted above you called "deletme" well when he signed up here he was called freefiftydollars..com because thats his website. So everytime he posted he was spamming (as his name was a website address) so Xianti changed his name to deleteme (I dont think he's posted here since his name was changed! spammer!)

So FDD = his website free fifty dollars
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Old 12-29-2004, 05:06 PM #11 (permalink)  
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well, see that fellow who posted above you called "deletme" well when he signed up here he was called freefiftydollars..com because thats his website. So everytime he posted he was spamming (as his name was a website address) so Xianti changed his name to deleteme (I dont think he's posted here since his name was changed! spammer!)

So FDD = his website free fifty dollars
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh thanks steel..spammer! lol


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Old 12-29-2004, 05:57 PM #12 (permalink)  
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fdd = free fifty dollars?

wouldnt it be FFD?
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Old 12-29-2004, 07:06 PM #13 (permalink)  
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fdd = free fifty dollars?

wouldnt it be FFD?
...no?

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Old 12-29-2004, 10:38 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 2, 4.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button raises, Hero calls, BB folds.
Playing 24o is questionable, but call a raise with it? Do you do this often?
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Old 12-30-2004, 01:08 AM #15 (permalink)  
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I imagine he played back only because he had a strong suspicion the button was trying to steal the blinds by raising with an inferior hand himself.
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Old 12-30-2004, 01:20 AM #16 (permalink)  
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fdd = free fifty dollars?

wouldnt it be FFD?
oh yea suppose so, unless FDD = Free fifty Dollars Dotcom
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Old 12-30-2004, 05:03 AM #17 (permalink)  
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that doesnt even make sense.
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Old 12-30-2004, 05:04 AM #18 (permalink)  
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<gabe_> i just made an awesome post
<gabe_> http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...?p=41557#41557
<a500lbgorilla> Do you want a pat on the back?
<gabe_> yuuup

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Old 12-30-2004, 05:45 AM #19 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by astrodon
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 2, 4.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button raises, Hero calls, BB folds.
Playing 24o is questionable, but call a raise with it? Do you do this often?
What are you going to do? I mean, the guy is purposefully raising with $hit cards to take your money. Screw that, I've got 40-60 odds against most hands, I'll take my chances.


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awesome indeed
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Old 12-30-2004, 05:46 AM #21 (permalink)  
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<gabe_> i just made an awesome post
<gabe_> http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...?p=41557#41557
<a500lbgorilla> Do you want a pat on the back?
<gabe_> yuuup

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Old 12-30-2004, 02:51 PM #22 (permalink)  
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e jeff-
I'm curious about the results of the hands that you have cold called. How did they turn out? Are the hand histories posted in the forum?
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 If I'm reading your question correctly, you are asking for the results of the 3 cold calls i have in my Profile. Here are the Hands:

Texas Hold'em $2-$4 (real money), hand #495,372,135
Table Yunghu, 11 Dec 2004 2:42 PM ET

Seat 1: DrShaft
Seat 2: SkidmoreKid
Seat 3: k9doctor
Seat 4: destructo1
Seat 5: CodeRedRulez [ JH,AH ]
Seat 6: nsidestrate2
Seat 7: db8er
Seat 8: jcsy
Seat 9: LazyLoser
Seat 10: in2deep15
ANTES/BLINDS
db8er posts blind ($1), jcsy posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
LazyLoser folds, in2deep15 calls $2, DrShaft bets $4, SkidmoreKid folds, k9doctor calls $4, destructo1 calls $4, CodeRedRulez calls $4, nsidestrate2 folds, db8er calls $3, jcsy folds, in2deep15 calls $2.

FLOP [board cards 5S,3D,4C ]
db8er checks, in2deep15 checks, DrShaft bets $2, k9doctor folds, destructo1 bets $4, CodeRedRulez folds, db8er calls $4, in2deep15 folds, DrShaft calls $2.

TURN [board cards 5S,3D,4C,7S ]
db8er checks, DrShaft checks, destructo1 bets $4, db8er calls $4, DrShaft calls $4.

RIVER [board cards 5S,3D,4C,7S,6D ]
db8er checks, DrShaft checks, destructo1 checks.

SHOWDOWN
db8er shows [ 7C,8C ]
DrShaft mucks cards
destructo1 mucks cards
db8er wins $48.

SUMMARY
Dealer: nsidestrate2
Pot: $50 | Rake: $2
DrShaft loses $12
SkidmoreKid loses $0
k9doctor loses $4
destructo1 loses $12
CodeRedRulez loses $4
nsidestrate2 loses $0
db8er bets $12, collects $48, net $36
jcsy loses $2
LazyLoser loses $0
in2deep15 loses $4


***** Hand History for Game 1338983905 *****
$2/$4 Hold'em - Thursday, December 23, 16:45:08 EDT 2004
Table Table 15321 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: MichaelNoll ( $166 )
Seat 7: helga33 ( $27.5 )
Seat 8: elipsesjeff ( $256.5 )
Seat 1: hyperchi ( $134 )
Seat 6: joe435 ( $94 )
Seat 2: RaidersFan ( $112 )
Seat 9: groovy8 ( $130 )
Seat 10: cov47 ( $85.5 )
Seat 5: MarkPrior_22 ( $98 )
Seat 4: dtronthehill ( $86 )
hyperchi posts small blind [$1].
RaidersFan posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to elipsesjeff [ Jc Kh ]
MichaelNoll raises [$4].
dtronthehill folds.
MarkPrior_22 folds.
joe435 folds.
helga33 folds.
elipsesjeff calls [$4].
groovy8 folds.
cov47 folds.
hyperchi folds.
RaidersFan folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 3d, 4s ]
MichaelNoll checks.
elipsesjeff checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
MichaelNoll bets [$4].
elipsesjeff calls [$4].
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
MichaelNoll bets [$4].
elipsesjeff calls [$4].
MichaelNoll shows [ Tc, Jh ] high card ace.
elipsesjeff shows [ Jc, Kh ] high card ace.
elipsesjeff wins $26 from the main pot with high card ace with king kicker.

MichaelNoll in that hand was 77%VPIP and 33% PFR, This guy was betting and raising with absolutly nothing with junk, so I decided to call him down with junk.

***** Hand History for Game 1340015302 *****
$2/$4 Hold'em - Thursday, December 23, 20:55:57 EDT 2004
Table Table 24993 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: elipsesjeff ( $125 )
Seat 2: Rix6933 ( $51 )
Seat 3: kiki2004111 ( $128.5 )
Seat 4: auburnstud43 ( $87 )
Seat 5: StaxUp ( $126.5 )
Seat 6: Leedetroit ( $107.5 )
Seat 7: blaidan2 ( $150.5 )
Seat 8: italian09 ( $46 )
Seat 9: Tubby929 ( $59 )
Seat 10: kardvark ( $57 )
StaxUp posts small blind [$1].
Leedetroit posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to elipsesjeff [ 9d 9h ]
blaidan2 folds.
italian09 raises [$4].
Tubby929 folds.
kardvark calls [$4].
elipsesjeff calls [$4].
Rix6933 folds.
>You have options at Digital Blasphery Table!.
kiki2004111 raises [$6].
auburnstud43 folds.
StaxUp folds.
Leedetroit folds.
italian09 raises [$4].
kardvark calls [$4].
>You have options at Digital Blasphery Table!.
elipsesjeff calls [$4].
kiki2004111 calls [$2].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, Td, 2d ]
italian09 bets [$2].
kardvark calls [$2].
elipsesjeff calls [$2].
kiki2004111 raises [$4].
italian09 raises [$4].
kardvark calls [$4].
>You have options at Digital Blasphery Table!.
elipsesjeff folds.
kiki2004111 raises [$4].
italian09 calls [$2].
kardvark calls [$2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
italian09 bets [$4].
kardvark folds.
kiki2004111 calls [$4].
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
italian09 checks.
kiki2004111 checks.
italian09 shows [ Qh, Qd ] three of a kind, queens.
kiki2004111 doesn't show [ Kd, Ad ] a pair of aces.
italian09 wins $66 from the main pot with three of a kind, queens.


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Old 12-30-2004, 04:32 PM #24 (permalink)  
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If I'm reading your question correctly, you are asking for the results of the 3 cold calls i have in my Profile. Here are the Hands:

MichaelNoll in that hand was 77%VPIP and 33% PFR, This guy was betting and raising with absolutly nothing with junk, so I decided to call him down with junk.
Thanks, those are the ones I was wondering about. I guess I should have been more specific.

77% VPIP and 33% PFR. Jesus
You weren't kidding when you said monster fish.

That's serious dead money. You ran across him since? Put that dude on your buddy list.
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Old 12-30-2004, 05:52 PM #25 (permalink)  
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since i have learned of the horrors of cold calling, i only have done it once and it was on accident. i ended up winning the pot too.
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