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BILLABONG

01-18-2005, 09:31 AM Post subject: WTF I DO WRONG NOW>?

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Dealt to 20nCrAzY [Ad Qc]
SwampMidget: folds
Splash07: folds
yamcheboy: folds
goose58: folds
JaBlue: folds
20nCrAzY: raises $1 to $1.50
dsl36: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Kh 8d Ac]
20nCrAzY: bets $1.50
dsl36: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [Kh 8d Ac] [Th]
20nCrAzY: bets $3
dsl36: raises $6 to $9
20nCrAzY: raises $15 to $24
dsl36: raises $30.60 to $54.60 and is all-in
20nCrAzY said, "aw no good?"
20nCrAzY said, "aq"
mk711 [observer] said, "call him"
goose58 said, "LOL"
goose58 said, "AQ"
mk711 [observer] said, "yamcheboy"
goose58 said, "HE SAYS"
20nCrAzY: calls $30.60
*** RIVER *** [Kh 8d Ac Th] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
20nCrAzY: shows [Ad Qc] (a pair of Aces)
dsl36: shows [Jc Qd] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
dsl36 collected $112.20 from pot
mk711 [observer] said, "that sucks dude"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $115.20 | Rake $3
Board [Kh 8d Ac Th 5c]
Seat 1: JaBlue (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 20nCrAzY (small blind) showed [Ad Qc] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: dsl36 (big blind) showed [Jc Qd] and won ($112.20) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 5: SwampMidget folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Splash07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: yamcheboy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: goose58 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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poskid_1982

01-18-2005, 11:12 AM

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Flush

Join Date: Dec 2004

Location: Midwest

Posts: 392

Dude thats rough. He came alive on the turn with a feasible str8 draw and you called him because some retard egged you on.

NEVER CALL SOMEONE BECAUSE ANOTHER OPP SAYS CALL

I woulda wanted at least a set to even call his FIRST raise to see the river (hoping for a paired board). Gotta watch yourself on hands like these. I hope you got that case of call-itis out of your game.

a500lbgorilla

01-18-2005, 02:11 PM

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Bet more on the flop.

Fold to the turn push. You're drawing dead to AK, JQ and any set. You've got a few outs against a non-ace two pair.

You're *hoping* that he's trying to push you out with a flush draw.

Without an accurate read, you should never call an allin with TPTK. You can push allin with TPTK but hardly call an allin.

-'rilla

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

Waggho

01-18-2005, 02:57 PM

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Flush

Join Date: Dec 2004

Location: Sweden

Posts: 260

This post should probably be in the hand history section.

However, this is how I would play it.

Flop: I would bet the pot. You´ll get a feel of his hand, he may fold and give you the pot directly, and most importantly: you will give him incorrect odds to draw for a straight. In this situation he has only got a gutshot (about 16 % chance of hitting on turn OR river) so he doesn´t have correct pot odds to draw against a half pot sized bet, but he clearly has implied odds (as you are willing to go all-in on turn with TPTK).

Turn: Here is where it really goes wrong. Imagine yourself in his situation: there are two high cards on the flop and you call a moderate bet. On the turn, your opponent bets twice as much as the first bet and you raise 2x this amount! That´s a big bet. What kind of hand would you do that with? The answer (if you´re not bluffing, which I very seldom consider the opponent doing unless he has a solid bluffing history): a hand that has some potential on the flop and becomes a monster on the turn. I myself often miss discovering possible straights on the board - then it´s even more important to get the money in early, to give those drawers a reason to fold.

You have to put your opponent on a hand. What did you think he had when you reraised his turn bet? A pair of tens? A long-shot flush draw? Q with a J or lower kicker? Would you call on flop and then raise big on turn with any of those hands? Probably not, unless you are an ice cold bluffer, representing the straight. Did you have a read on him as a bluffer? If not, be scared of his big bet and fold until you have seen him bluff with big raises several times. You may say "I reraised him hoping he would fold his weak hand". If this was the case, you really must be able to let the hand go when facing an AI raise. Say to your self before the raise: "If he reraises, I´ll fold". Personally, I probably would have folded to the $9 reraise, or, second choice, perhaps check-call the hand out. There is a bunch of hands that beat you, and some hands that you´d beat - of those hands is no one worthy of reraising that big on turn, which means the hands he could have that you could beat could be considered as a bluff or a semi-bluff from his side. And you can´t really call an All In on the turn depending on your opponent bluffing.

Conclusion - First problem: Slowplaying TPTK. Second problem: Being unable to let the hand go. Third problem: Listening to an unknown person telling you to call.

This is my humble opinion.

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