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Old 01-03-2009, 08:32 AM     Post subject: WTF am I doing wrong... #1 (permalink)  
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Just moved up to $50NL. Has been more of a f-kin disaster than my last month at $25NL. I'm getting killed on the big pots. Any feedback on the following would be very much appreciated...

Hand 1: Vil 36/19/3 over 740. Am aware of the str8 draw sitting out there when he shoves, but I think my $10NL "never fold a set" mojo is still alive. Do I need to lose this sh!t?

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Hero (Button) ($36.70)
SB ($50)
BB ($60.40)
UTG ($12.05)
MP ($53.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 3, 3
UTG raises to $1, MP calls $1, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($4.25) A, 8, 2 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.25) 3 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $3, Hero raises to $9, 2 folds, MP raises to $52.60 (All-In), Hero calls $26.70 (All-In)

River: ($75.65) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $75.65 | Rake: $3

Hand 2: Vil is 17/14/3.5 over 4.4K. PF3b is 4%. I'm discounting QQ+ because of the flat PF. That leaves Qx,TT,66 - maybe some other flush draw sh!t - when he raises my 2/3 psb flop bet. My normal move is to shove over w/ 2nd pr and a nut flush draw. Is this spew?

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BB ($100.35)
UTG ($95.45)
MP ($130.60)
CO ($50.50)
Button ($116.30)
Hero (SB) ($32.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 10
UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $2, UTG calls $2

Flop: ($7.50) Q, 6, 10 (3 players)
Hero bets $5.50, BB raises to $15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $30.05 (All-In), BB calls $15.05

Turn: ($67.60) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($67.60) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $67.60 | Rake: $3

Hand 3: Vil 41/15/1.8 over 1.8K. I can't see not stacking off with trips, but w/ a 35 Ag Freq on Vil, should I have assumed trips were beat?

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UTG ($101.10)
MP ($98.95)
CO ($101.60)
Button ($50)
SB ($116.55)
Hero (BB) ($30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, CO raises to $2.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.25) K, K, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3, Hero raises to $10, CO raises to $99.35 (All-In), Hero calls $17.75 (All-In)

Turn: ($60.75) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($60.75) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $60.75 | Rake: $3

Hand 4: Ok... I'll admit this is just a "f- me" beat. But it was in the string, and without you all knowing what vil has, is this ok? Vil is 63/20/2.2 w/ PF3b of 9% over 118.

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BB ($42.15)
UTG ($55.90)
Hero (MP) ($47.60)
CO ($56.20)
Button ($22.90)
SB ($24.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, SB raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($6.50) A, 5, 10 (2 players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $5, SB raises to $9.50, Hero raises to $44.60 (All-In), SB calls $11.75 (All-In)

Turn: ($49) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($49) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $49 | Rake: $2.45

Hand 5: Vil is 51/18/1.4 over 49 so rest of stats are meaningless. So it's a freebie that flops 2 pair. a) Should I have overbet the flop? b) PSB or overbet the Turn? c) Read the "come alive" PSB on the River as the "you're f-cked so fold" coming from a 1.4?

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Button ($82.80)
SB ($34.15)
Hero (BB) ($30)
UTG ($50.70)
MP ($80.25)
CO ($34.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, 3
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks

Flop: ($2) 10, 4, 3 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, CO calls $2, 2 folds

Turn: ($6) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, CO calls $3.50

River: ($13) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $13, Hero calls $13

Total pot: $39 | Rake: $1.95

Hand 6: Vil is 63/20/2.2 over 118. Again - this appears to be about sniffing out the nuts. I'm getting jiggy w/ two pair, raising the flop to iso... and then boyscout comes along for the 3bet. On Q9T and those stats, it's either shoving shorty or folding - and I'm getting the sense at $50NL that these that you almost need 2 pair beat to call this kinda shove/board combo.


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Button ($79)
SB ($50.25)
Hero (BB) ($30)
MP ($37.50)
CO ($15.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 10
1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.50) Q, 9, 10 (3 players)
SB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, CO raises to $8.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $29.50 (All-In), CO calls $6.45 (All-In)

Turn: ($32.90) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($32.90) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $32.90 | Rake: $1.60

Epilogue: So a couple of comments on top. I'm coming off of a f-king awful 45 days, where I've lost 23 out of 27 stack offs w/ 70%+ equity when the money goes in. I'm looking at that sh!t going, "I played it right...", but you start not to believe yourself after a while. So I'll apologize up front if some of the above hands are tainted by that....

Second... I started playing $50NL 3 days ago - in part 'cause I need to rack up FT points faster to clear my Iron man bonus, and I think I got the skills to at least break even while I do it. But after reviewing my first 5K hands, I'm noticing I'm losing 75%+ of my stackoffs -- and my holdings at the time are 2 pair or better. Is this a function of $50NL (yeah, I know, read dependent... but the hands above have a pretty wide range of stats, and that's representative of what I'm seeing...)? Are stack off ranges sig tighter at $50 than $25?

Anyhoo... nuff of my bitching. Feel free to tell me I suck -- the tables seem to agree with you. And any and all feedback is appreciated as always....

 
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Old 01-03-2009, 10:01 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 1-3, yawn, these are coolers and i'm pretty sure you know they are coolers.

4 - 63/20 with all those weird ass bets? and on top of all of that he's a half stack? i think the only mistake you made was not 4betting preflop, get the monies in yo.

5 - meh, a weak 2 pair in an unraised pot. flop and turn are okay, but i much prefer bet/folding the river. if i check i'm not calling a psb. pretty easy much me thinks.

6 - again, stacking off with a weak 2 pair in an unraised pot isn't really a good thing. this is a sick scary flop too. now what does co's raise tell you? it doesn't look to me the kind of raise someone would make on a draw, he pretty much raised the minimum. this is either a monster draw or 2p+, all of which have you beat. i'm folding.

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Old 01-03-2009, 01:04 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1-3, yawn, these are coolers and i'm pretty sure you know they are coolers.
well you have to remember that going broke with two pair in a limped pot is a worse mistake than going broke with two pair in a raised pot
so as played I give serious consideration to folding that river
this is because if he had just a ten, he'd be very concerned about the J and Q
if he had a piece and the J or Q improved him he's beating you with a better two pair

similar logic applies to the last hand
while he is pretty short, the flop is multi-way which means the requirements for winning the pot go up
1. there is less bluffing because people are more afraid of getting called
2. someone already expressed interested in the pot
3. someone else said it's their pot and told the first person to fuck off
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Old 01-03-2009, 04:01 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 hand 1: standard

hand 2: super standard

hand 3: wtf, seriously? standard

hand 4: 4bet preflop. vs a 60/20 who's 3betting 9% of hands (although hes probably min3betting alot) you need to get as much money as you can in the pot prelop. 4bet to like $9 here for value, and get all the money in if he will let you. If he just calls, then that's about as beautiful a flop as you're ever going to see vs this guy.

hand 5: i dont mind bet/bet/c/c here. I would bet the turn bigger here almost always, and i dont mind just c/c'ing the river once the board plays out badish.

hand 6: i think i might make a weak fold vs CO's cold 3bet. idk, you're flipping vs some of his range but likely crushed by most of it.

i know you want to clear that bonus, but you have all month. you say you're on a terrible run, which happens to everyone, yet you want to jump up levels just to try to clear a bonus? You're not the only one to do that around here. I've done it before, and as i would suspect alot of other situations like this go, i ended up losing more money playing at a higher level without the bankroll than i made with the bonus.

drop back down to 25nl and grind out some hands and clear whatever bonus you clear. FTP pro-rates the bonus anyway, so dont sweat it too much.
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Old 01-03-2009, 05:28 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Fall back to 25nl and be a little less aggressive with your hands. You are running into massive coolers and you don't give them any respect. I know you will feel as though you are leaving money on the table but it's better than stackin -off. IMHO
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Old 01-03-2009, 06:13 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 First of all of these you are semi-short stacking which makes them pretty much all more of std players but:

1. I mean yeah I think you have to get it in here since he's so bad but the board is so dry you'll lose here a lot. But he can easily have a gay two pair.

2.He has 666 here a lot but whatev. Yeah he's never folding after he raises. It's actually pretty marginal IMO given my range for villain (TcTd,6c6d,6c6h,6d6h,AcQc,AdQd,AhQh,AcQd,AdQc,AhQc ,AhQd)

3.Obviously standard. Maybe even just ship preflop.

4.This guy is terrible, get it in preflop somehow. As played He can have a worse Ax here and he's short so go all-in on the flop.

5. Bet turn slightly bigger. I probably b/f small on river because I think we get more value by betting smallish and as played I fold to a PSB.

6. Meh, after seeing what others say I agree with them on hand 6.
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Old 01-04-2009, 06:52 AM #7 (permalink)  
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drop back down to 25nl
Best advice of the thread... I moved back down to where they respect my folds.
 
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