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martindcx1e
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03-22-2005, 04:55 AM
Post subject: willing to go all-in?
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hey everyone. i was just wondering what hands you guys are willing to go all-in on the flop with. i'm just talking in general without a good read on any opponents. i'm also assuming that the board isn't scary like 3 to a straight flush or something. will you call or move all-in with TPTK or do you need to have at least 2 pair or even a set to do it?
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JeffreyGB
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It depends.
With a set and no flush/straight showing, pretty much always willing. Below that, depends on cards, table, reads, etc.
I've gone all-in with TPTK (AKo with Kxx flop) and I've also folded AA and check/called small bets to the river with trip Aces (smelled a slowplay on a flopped straight from a guy that loved to play low suited connectors).
- Jeffrey
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a500lbgorilla
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It depends.
Too wide of a variety of situations for you to just say, "Well, FTR said they'll go AI with a set on the flop but I only have two pair. I gotta fold."
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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martindcx1e
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lol well i'm not using this as my bible or anything. just curious.
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
lol well i'm not using this as my bible or anything. just curious.
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What I can tell you is the calibur of hands your opponents will go AI with on the flop. At 25 NL, I'd say it averages out to a pair. But at 100/200 NL, It's a good two pair or better.
Just a general observation.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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jmontis
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generally, a set is a pretty safe hand to go in with, but if its a flop like TJQ, or 3 flush flop, don't.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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michael1123
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Originally Posted by jmontis
generally, a set is a pretty safe hand to go in with, but if its a flop like TJQ, or 3 flush flop, don't.
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Even that is too general. If you have top set on a flop like that, worst case scenario you have about the same chance of winning / having the board pair as a flush draw does of hitting. Considering that you have TPTK, two pair hands, lower sets, and even pair plus strong draw (flush draw or open ended draw) hands in horrible shape, it can be a profitable play. But again, it depends on your opponent, and their read on you.
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jmontis
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Originally Posted by michael1123
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Originally Posted by jmontis
generally, a set is a pretty safe hand to go in with, but if its a flop like TJQ, or 3 flush flop, don't.
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Even that is too general. If you have top set on a flop like that, worst case scenario you have about the same chance of winning / having the board pair as a flush draw does of hitting. Considering that you have TPTK, two pair hands, lower sets, and even pair plus strong draw (flush draw or open ended draw) hands in horrible shape, it can be a profitable play. But again, it depends on your opponent, and their read on you. |
of course, as everyone says, "it depends".
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Cocco_Bill
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I will go all in with any quads or straight flush when I'm feeling wild 
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ilikeaces86
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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
I will go all in with any quads or straight flush when I'm feeling wild |
I get a bit leery with quads
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JeffreyGB
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
I will go all in with any quads or straight flush when I'm feeling wild |
I get a bit leery with quads |
Well yeah, but that's because of the stakes you're playing at. Cleverly disguised Royal Flushes at every turn.
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FlyingSaucy
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it's not what hands you are holding that should indicate whether it is safe to go all in on the flop. It's what your opponents have done (which obviously depends on your position), and what the actual flop is like. Sorry, but this is far to general of a question to have a specific answer. The problem is that if you flop quad 5's against one other limper, and the board is K55, you probably don't want to go all in because they will fold and you'll be losing a chance to get some extra money out of them. Seems strange to try to define exactly what hands are willing to go all in. In rare situations I might do it with high card Ace on the flop. You never know. In other situations I could hit a straight with 1 gappers on a rainbow flop and have one or two aggressive bets into me, and still not want to go all in.
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ensign_lee
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Open ended straight flush draw.  )
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Fnord
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TPTK 
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Admerylous
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Sometimes, in my bones, I can feel that I am going to get my runner runner straight or flushes.
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Greedo017
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funny i usually get that feeling about other people's runner runner straights and flushes not my own
that makes me reminisce to about 10 minutes ago when i was ai against two short stacks who both had ace rag on a kq rag board and the turn and river were J 10. wtf.
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