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Old 04-15-2009, 07:45 PM     Post subject: Why are jacks so hard to play? #1 (permalink)  
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The opponent is pretty tight player, but very aggressive postflop.

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MP3 ($2.97)
CO ($6.75)
Button ($5.39)
SB ($4.75)
BB ($3.48)
Hero (UTG) ($6.42)
UTG+1 ($2.07)
MP1 ($1.93)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J
Hero bets $0.15, 5 folds, Button calls $0.15, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) 6, Q, 4 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.45, Button calls $0.45, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.37) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: ($1.37) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Total pot: $2.17 | Rake: $0.10

Results in white below:
Button had Q, K (one pair, Queens).
Hero mucked J, J (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Button won $2.07
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Old 04-15-2009, 07:46 PM     Post subject: Re: Why are jacks so hard to play? #2 (permalink)  
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 I probably lean towards checking here becuase we'll have good relative position if the aggressive button bets.

If the blind folds we can call and likely be well ahead of villains range. If the blind calls then..I dunno, probably a fold.
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Old 04-15-2009, 07:58 PM     Post subject: Re: Why are jacks so hard to play? #3 (permalink)  
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I probably lean towards checking here becuase we'll have good relative position if the aggressive button bets.

If the blind folds we can call and likely be well ahead of villains range. If the blind calls then..I dunno, probably a fold.
really? you're not even calling for set value?

as far as the hand's concerned i'm also stumped. i would put him on TP who is scared of the straight possibility, but he checked the turn? raising the river is my first instinct but i don't think he's calling with worse than your split pair
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:02 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 we do not have odds to go looking for a 2 outer...
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 lol completely disregard my post. i thought you were talking about some sort of newfangled way to play jacks preflop. no, i'm definitely not dumb enough to chase this past the flop
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 lol lol, nah raise preflop always

this hand is gay without position tho
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:28 PM #7 (permalink)  
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c/c an agressive player is your best option. Hes gonna be trying to buy that pot 1 or 2 streets w/air a lot. As micro said, if BB calls, you should fold. Also, if aggro checks behind and BB checks turn you can be pretty sure you have the best hand.Then you can get 1 or 2 streets of value against weaker pairs, flush draws, and missed flush draws improving to a weak pair.
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:50 PM     Post subject: Re: Why are jacks so hard to play? #8 (permalink)  
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The opponent is pretty tight player, but very aggressive postflop...

Turn: ($1.37) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks



 
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:22 PM #9 (permalink)  
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no set no bet

especially out of position.
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no set no bet

especially out of position.
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:52 PM #11 (permalink)  

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 calling bets with under pairs to the board is generally a -ev play most of time.
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