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jungy121
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02-07-2006, 03:11 AM
Post subject: Why do I suck in cash?
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first time poster, long time reader.
I don't get it. I suck the asshairs in cash games, but place ITM in at least 1/3 of the sngs I play and place ITM in MTTs as well.
my friends say just play solid poker and you'll come out a winner, so I do but I get raised like 5 bucks when I hold TPTK or TP decent kicker. I get big bets called preflop with A rag all the time. I'd like to say I'm TAG, but should I try switchin to LAGG? or maybe start the sessionn with LAGG then TAGG?
also when I used to play cash, I would buy in half the max buy in, I play 50NL or 25NL. I know its better to buy in the max, but I think its cause I don't have much confidence in cash games.
I also have the same problem in live cash 100NL cash games at casinos. howdo improve my game??? I would get my roll up to 500 from 50 in like a week or two playin sngs and lose 100 in 2 sessinos playin cash. help!
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There's not enough information to nail this one down. There are many, many reasons people stink it up in the cash games.
Post some hands on the boards and people will help you out.
Also, if you're playing NL25 you should learn how to nut-camp and then mold your game from there, not the other way around. Nut camping = easy money at NL25.
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jungy121
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what's your strategy for nut camping? and how would you get action if you're just waiting for the nuts? and does that mean avoid playing small pots?
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wc3x_tester
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Do u have the BANKROLL for 25/50 nl?? If u need friends to stake you, then the answer is NO. Grind it out at 10nl or 5 sng.
Building bankroll the hardway not only builds up money, but helps you understand the game...
if u cant take the fishes in the fish games, then you cant beat the sharks..... there will be bad beats, and ur KK will get beaten by 77 (like what happened to me, 2 seconds ago...another buyin but o well, i was playing at 10nl = not even tilt me one single bit)
if ur a sng player, then you know how imporant patient is. Well its same for low limits, camp it out with patients for good preium hand, or good solid marginal hands for cheap, and play good solid post flop game.
Dont call that 5 bucks with TPTk in that buck fifty pot, they prob have u beat.
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samsonite2100
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Well its same for low limits, camp it out with patients for good preium hand,
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This is good advice--play only with mental patients, if possible. They think 59os is the best starting hand.
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Renton
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I have the opposite issue.
I kill in small stakes (25/50) cash games but suck at MTTs.
The irony is I have done much more studying in MTT literature e.g. HOH.
I think the biggest difference is that it is a good idea to push five/ten percent edges in cash games, whereas the more small edges you push in a tournament, the earlier you go out.
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DogOnMySide
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Originally Posted by samsonite2100
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Well its same for low limits, camp it out with patients for good preium hand,
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This is good advice--play only with mental patients, if possible. They think 59os is the best starting hand. |
LOL thats class 
I also think i suck hard at ring(piece) games. I really struggle to be tight enough for hours on end and usually donk off buyins in a big flurry.
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Renton
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Multi table.
It increases patience by massive amounts. You will get a premium hand every 3-5 minutes.
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Gomez
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I have the same problem, at smaller buy-ins than you are talking about, but I am convinced that it is the fact that blinds do not increase, and you are not in survival mode, so both combine to just bore me and get me to playing looser than i do in SNG's. I have a similar problem with limit, the fact that I'm not risking much makes me play looser when i know i should probably be much tighter!
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jungy121
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I really do well in MTT's, I'd say outta 10 or so MTT's I played, I placed ITM for about 3 or 4. but i think the reason why i want to play cash is so that i don't have to pay so close attention as i do in sng's. i don't know i guess i'm just trying to make easy money. but when i get some money reloaded, imma stick to what i'm good at, and that's sngs and tournaments. but i WOULD like to get better at cash games.
but hey, if you can give me some tips on how to kill 25/50NL i can help you out with sng's.
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vqc
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Originally Posted by jungy121
I really do well in MTT's, I'd say outta 10 or so MTT's I played, I placed ITM for about 3 or 4. but i think the reason why i want to play cash is so that i don't have to pay so close attention as i do in sng's. i don't know i guess i'm just trying to make easy money. but when i get some money reloaded, imma stick to what i'm good at, and that's sngs and tournaments. but i WOULD like to get better at cash games.
but hey, if you can give me some tips on how to kill 25/50NL i can help you out with sng's.
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come help us get better in the SNG forum.
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biondino
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I get big bets called preflop with A rag all the time.
Excellent! This is just what you want, since either you'll have a better ace or a nice high PP and you'll pwn them 80% of the time!
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jungy121
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yeah I think I was frustrated when I typed that, I know I wanna g in with the best hand preriver, but I guess its cause I keep getin sucked out on, that I only thought of that. Its so bad, I laugh when I suck out on people which is rarely, when I give someone a badbeat. before I'd feel bad. but hey that's poker, and I just wanna get good in cas games.
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DeusX
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I'm not an SNG player and never have been, so take this for what its worth. I think in ring game, your hand quality has to improve vastly over SNGs (I'm mainly talking about full ring here). Two pair flopped and overpairs are no longer worth as much as in tourneys, since you're beaten by sets and 2 pair respectively. Since you're gonna be at the low limits, start by learning to play sets (any low to medium pocket pair), overpairs (AA and KK, QQ if that happens - at the low limits JJ and TT may even work), and AK and AQ. Maybe AJ. That's about it. Basically this strategy focusses on the sets (ie. set farming), which are decently straightforward to play.
Slowly add hands, such as some of the rest of the decent broadways. Make sure you know what you're in the hand for, and if things aren't shaping up that way, FOLD. In ring, committment is almost a non-concept - at least, its nowhere near as important as in tourneys. Think in terms of the long term for strategy. Essentially, you're looking to play ABC poker, that is, play cards not poker. Don't worry about playing the player just yet until you've learned to play cards. Continue this strategy until you're bankrolled to move up and learn new strategies. Get past the microlimits where solely playing cards is profitable. Maybe if you don't like full ring, you could try 6 max since (at least from what I've found) the player quality is lower, you can afford to be more aggressive, since it's less likely the hand quality is quite as high as full ring.
GL
DX
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As with life, poker is filled with difficult decisions.
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freechus9
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Since I've learned how to fold, I've made so much more money in poker. That's the secret to killing the games.
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jungy121
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yeah I think I was frustrated when I typed that, I know I wanna g in with the best hand preriver, but I guess its cause I keep getin sucked out on, that I only thought of that. Its so bad, I laugh when I suck out on people which is rarely, when I give someone a badbeat. before I'd feel bad. but hey that's poker, and I just wanna get good in cas games.
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Chicago_Kid
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Originally Posted by freechus9
Since I've learned how to fold, I've made so much more money in poker. That's the secret to killing the games.
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...specifically, TT, JJ, QQ and even KK.
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"Been gone so long, forgot how to poker"
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Thee One
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Originally Posted by Chicago_Kid
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Originally Posted by freechus9
Since I've learned how to fold, I've made so much more money in poker. That's the secret to killing the games.
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...specifically, TT, JJ, QQ and even KK. |
Can you teach me how to catch those hands? 
It's been a bad two weeks.
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