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Originally Posted by d0zer
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
My current approach is that with a hand that I would either 3-bet for value or call with, say QQ, I'll 3-bet if it's ahead of his stacking off range, and just call if it's not. This way I never turn good hands into bluffs pre- flop and I'll be playing with it against a weaker range.
Correct me if I' m wrong, but it seems like there's a lot of 100NL nit-regs who's stackoff range pre is KK+. What do you do with KK/ AA when they're stealing from from the BU?
If their stacking off range was exactly KK+, I'd 3-bet AA and call with KK. Here, AA would be the only hand I would 3-bet for value, but I would need definite proof that this was their stacking off range and that they were never 4-bet bluffing, etc. If they are 4-bet bluffing with enough of their range, then the fold equity we gain from KK could be more than the equity we gain from playing it out of position against their [weak] stealing range.
Edit: Theoretically, there could be cases where 3-betting KK is the best play. For example, with 2000bb stacks, if Villain opened 80% from the button to 20bb and continued to a 3-bet with only with KK+. Then the value we get from turning KK into an effective bluff through our fold equity could be higher than calling and playing it out of position.
Originally Posted by MuddyWicket
Assume one caller:
1. how much is your standard cbet as % of pot
2. How frequently do you cbet when called?
3. Is top pair good kicker the nuts in a 3bet flop?
4. Aren't we better polerizing our range and not 3betting JJ/KQ/AJ if we think they are playing a wide range?
5. Bluff reraising range should be Axs or mid SC's or both or anything as it is a pure bluff?
1. I cbet a little less % of the pot in 3-bet pots than I do in raised pots.
2. It depends.
3. It depends on the SPR and which pair it is. If you 3-bet bluff with A8s, get called and the board comes 864 then no.
4. No. The idea is to 3-bet hands they're going to be behind when they continue.
5. Hands that aren't good enough to just call with but still have some playability. Blockers also slightly improve your fold equity.
Originally Posted by martindcx1e
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
My current approach is that with a hand that I would either 3-bet for value or call with, say QQ, I'll 3-bet if it's ahead of his stacking off range, and just call if it's not. This way I never turn good hands into bluffs pre- flop and I'll be playing with it against a weaker range.
So say you are BB with QQ and button raises 4x, and his stackoff range is AA/ KK and you call. What are you doing on crap flops like 226 rainbow? When they do have AA/ KK are you getting away from your hand cheaper than if you just 3bet/ fold preflop? Or does the extra money won from playing against his weak stealing range make up for that?
The questions you are asking about with this particular scenario are largely irrelevant. If his stacking off range is KK+, 3-betting QQ is a clear mistake. When the flop comes 226, the times he has KK+ and stacks you is very small in comparison to the times he has 77-JJ and you take a nice chunk of his stack.
Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Just to add to the long list of questions you have coming in here. You state that if villain is folding often we should be 3b bluffing more often. What would you consider to be a high fold to 3b %? If which case we should be 3b bluffing more often, and not 3betting for value too often, because he is likely to fold.
It doesn't matter what anyone's fold to 3-bet % is. You should be 3-bet bluffing some portion of the time if it's a profitable play, and that stat isn't going to tell you that because Villain's open-raising range will depend on his position and who is left to act behind him. If you can't 3-bet bluff profitably, then that means they are continuing to a 3-bet with a sufficiently large portion of their open-raising range. If they are continuing with too much of their open-raising range, that's when we start opening up our 3-bet value range.
If you want to learn more about structuring your 3-bet bluff/3-bet value/calling ranges, you should study this: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...em-t70711.html
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