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Revolver123
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02-25-2009, 04:16 AM
Post subject: Who could fold this?
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Straight
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 123
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If this goes in the bad beat section then my apologies. I am mad at myself right now.. I have not laid down AA once on a non-completely obvious board. It's a huge leak for me since AA is beaten approx 20% of the time and those 20% of the time we need to be laying it down instead of stacking off. No reads on the villain here.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($11.47)
Hero (MP2) ($9.64)
MP3 ($5.59)
CO ($4.86)
Button ($5)
SB ($5.71)
BB ($6.81)
UTG ($11.03)
UTG+1 ($6.32)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A , A
3 folds, Hero bets $0.20, MP3 calls $0.20, 1 fold, Button calls $0.20, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.67) 4 , 7, J (3 players)
Hero bets $0.70, MP3 raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.30
Turn: ($4.67) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $3.39 (All-In), Hero calls $3.39
River: ($11.45) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $11.45 | Rake: $0.55
If you have learned how to fold AA on boards that aren't 3 suited or a straight right off the bat then please share advice on how to do it. 
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kb coolman
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2008
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I'm never laying down AA against a <60bb stack. I don't care what the board looks like.
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Micro2Macro
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What's his HUD stats.
if he's like 0.7 agg. factor over a decent size I could consider folding.
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Carroters
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Yeah unless he's crazy passvie I'd never fold here. To fold we need to put him on exactly a set, and for 60bbs we'd need to be rediculously sure.
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shyguy03533
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2009
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im never folding on that flop
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2ndline.4thstreet
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Straight
Join Date: Feb 2009
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I'm not folding on this board or these bet sizes.
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AFchung
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: UCLA
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i love shipping it on these boards and running into top pair
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settecba
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: stealing blinds from UTG
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I could...It would be a misclick...
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poker_pup
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Straight
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 130
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I could lay it down there. It'd be hard to do with aces, but I might.
USUALLY, when I bet pot with top pair and I'm raised, I'm usually beat and may as well fold. This doesn't work great with pocket overpairs, because that betting pattern may also indicate villian has his own pocket overpair.
It doesn't work great with pocket overpairs, but odds are good villan has two pair or a set.
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youngunpoker
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Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 29
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I would not lay it down in years. You could almost rule out a set because of pre flop raise depending on how the player has been playing( I realize you said no read on him) I probably would have re-raised the flop to try and get him off a draw.
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Carroters
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Da Amberlamps
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by youngunpoker
I would not lay it down in years. You could almost rule out a set because of pre flop raise depending on how the player has been playing( I realize you said no read on him) I probably would have re-raised the flop to try and get him off a draw.
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This is terrible thinking. When someone raises the flop it means he is representing a big hand and WILL show up with sets sometimes in this spot. Assuming a guy can't be strong because he didn't slowplay is so horrible and prolly explains why so many donks pay my sets off with bottom pair all the time.
We don't fold because he has lots of other stuff besides sets in his range which we are ahead of.
We don't want to "get him off a draw" because we are ahead of the draws!! If he folds a draw after putting this much of his stack in he is horrible, but he hardly ever will.
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youngunpoker
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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I don't know how to Quote. But why wouldn't you rule out a set? 4 times BB pre flop raise, what would you call with that has a 4 in it? 5-4s? A-4s? almost unheard of[/quote]
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Carroters
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Da Amberlamps
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lol oh I totally misunderstood what you were saying.
I agree he has close to 0 4s on his range but this isn't a set.
A set is a pocket pair that makes 3 of a kind on the board in this case 77 or JJ. If we're talking bout the turn these become boats and A4 is trips.
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