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anthb7210p

07-12-2007, 07:42 AM Post subject: when you cbet is raised...

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Is this always instafold? This hand is when I just sat down at the table and didn't have any reads.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($3)
Button ($1.02)
SB ($1.41)
BB ($0.99)
UTG ($6.28)
MP1 ($1.02)
Hero ($1.94)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q

, A

. CO posts a blind of $0.02.
UTG raises to $0.08, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.08, 4 folds.

Flop: ($0.21) 9

, 2

, K

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.1, UTG raises to $0.36, Hero ???

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Kagey

07-12-2007, 08:37 AM

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Fold it. You are either way way behind or marginally ahead of a bluff. Likely you are chasing 3 outs. Even with reads there are better places to play back. Make notes and be patient. He may be a big stack bully, or a nit that hit a set, but you need a much more solid read and better cards to try anything cute.

pokerroomace

07-12-2007, 12:24 PM

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fold.

also, cbetting a bit more is usually better. like 14cents instead of 10

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kettleofish

07-12-2007, 12:59 PM

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Yeah, definitely fold here, it's not worth calling or reraising with nothing but A high without a solid read on opponent. At these stakes the flop check-raise is almost never a bluff.

Also, as a more general point, don't buy in shortstacked. Buy in for the full amount, that way any big stacks are less likely to try and bully you out of a pot.

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SHAKE

07-12-2007, 08:10 PM

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also you maximize your value with big hands wich is a key to succsess in poker. Theres no saying that you wont flop the sweet end of a massive cooler first hand in the BB it could happen, and if you but in shore your costing yourself tons of money in the long run. TONS!!!!!!!

All we can do as players is maximize value and minimize loss. Buying in short severly impedes your ability to do eaither. Ok so not getting paid obviously maximizes prfit, but how does it minimize loss?

Lets look at this situation, and hopfully youll be able to reconize the point im trying to explaine.

Your in the c/o with JJ first orbit no reads. In situation A in a 10 nl game you but in for 2.0 in B you but in max at 10.00

MP raises to .45 and you look down at QQ, on the c/o.

situation A (short) so i assume we understand the point of how we cant maximizevalue here....

Also You cant reraise to isolate very effectivly here, you cant just call as your comitted. So if you have a stack you could call and fold on a scary flop, with a shor stack your forced all in.

Im not great at explaining but i hope that hand shows the underlying concept of minimizing loss by having a bigger stack. Your not commiting yourself as much, you have more oppertunities to make decisions (AKA out play your oppenents)

LordVTR

07-13-2007, 09:36 AM

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Also if you are short stacked, you will have a hard time pricing out draws on the flop or turn. Have seen many times situation when shortie raises PF with big PP, flop comes with 2 suited or str8 possibilities and shortie hits a set. Shortie goes All in on the flop but the bet isnt big enough to deny odds to those drawing, especially as the drawer knows he going to see 2 cards without putting any more $ in the pot. With a bigger stack the bet on the flop and turn can be sized to deny the drawer favourable odds. In the long run, being short stacked will cost you $$$$$.

As for the original question, agree that unless you have reads that villain does this with air, just fold.

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Kagey

07-13-2007, 10:11 AM

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he isn't short-stacked

CrazyB

07-13-2007, 12:12 PM

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Hmm does hand history convertoor works for unibet.

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