When / Why do you show your cards when folding?

**MadMojoMonkey** · 06-12-2012 05:59 PM

I have auto-muck set and I always thought showing my cards is just giving away information I don't have to. Clearly, this is not the whole truth, and I'm thinking of turning off the auto-muck and showing sometimes. But when?

This is all prompted by a recent post:

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I fold and show so he thinks this is a good way to bluff me and a bad way to get value from me. Wouldn't make the same fold next time.

What considerations do you make when showing a fold?
Are they different reasons than showing when you WWS?
How should I approach this?

**OngBonga** · 06-12-2012 06:09 PM

I rarely show my cards, I only do it if I feel I can manipulate a villain's approach in future hands. Showing you fold AK tptk to a stupid open shove tells him that he can push me off tptk by open shoving. So maybe next time he thinks I have tptk he open shoves a wider range, making my tptk a much stronger hand.

Likewise, maybe I show a bluff because I think there's a good chance it will tilt villain into making mistakes.

I only show my hand if I have a good reason to.

**bikes** · 06-12-2012 06:21 PM

I don't always show my cards.

But when I do, it's because I'm playing live and interested in some luls

**gotigers1234** · 06-12-2012 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by bikes

I don't always show my cards.

But when I do, it's because I'm playing live and interested in some luls

+1 lol bikes

**The Bean Counter** · 06-12-2012 08:02 PM

I'll never show unless playing against mates - why give away free information, even when you badly want to show a bluff or the nuts?

**aka_red** · 06-12-2012 11:13 PM

Never show.

**jyms** · 06-13-2012 12:41 AM

Auto muck is always on.

**rpm** · 06-13-2012 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by jyms

Auto muck is always on.

+1

**Shotglass** · 06-13-2012 04:36 AM

online or live cash - never
only in a live tournament when I think I can affect someone's future play

**Fnord** · 06-13-2012 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by bikes

It's because I'm playing live and interested in some luls

This.

I think in the long run showing my hand has cost me money.

**daviddem** · 06-13-2012 12:10 PM

I never show.

I rarely show my cards, I only do it if I feel I can manipulate a villain's approach in future hands. Showing you fold AK tptk to a stupid open shove tells him that he can push me off tptk by open shoving. So maybe next time he thinks I have tptk he open shoves a wider range, making my tptk a much stronger hand.

Likewise, maybe I show a bluff because I think there's a good chance it will tilt villain into making mistakes.

I only show my hand if I have a good reason to.

When you do that you also give away information to the rest of the table... high price to pay to influence the play of a single villain imo.

**OngBonga** · 06-13-2012 03:17 PM

What's important to me when showing cards is to know who you shown what to, and have some idea how that information might be perceived, and how they might try to exploit this tendency. When I show my cards, I adjust my game to try and counter expected villain adjustments. Some adjust better than I do, sure, but most of them don't because I play micros and almost everyone is a retard.

I doubt I'd be showing bluffs and big folds at 50nl.

**EasyPoker** · 06-13-2012 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by bikes

I don't always show my cards.

But when I do, it's because I'm playing live and interested in some luls

06-12-2012 05:59 PM #1
MadMojoMonkey View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Apr 2012 Posts 1,230 Location St Louis, MO	When / Why do you show your cards when folding? I have auto-muck set and I always thought showing my cards is just giving away information I don't have to. Clearly, this is not the whole truth, and I'm thinking of turning off the auto-muck and showing sometimes. But when? This is all prompted by a recent post: Originally Posted by OngBonga I fold and show so he thinks this is a good way to bluff me and a bad way to get value from me. Wouldn't make the same fold next time. What considerations do you make when showing a fold? Are they different reasons than showing when you WWS? How should I approach this?

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06-12-2012 06:09 PM #2
OngBonga View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 5,304 Location England	I rarely show my cards, I only do it if I feel I can manipulate a villain's approach in future hands. Showing you fold AK tptk to a stupid open shove tells him that he can push me off tptk by open shoving. So maybe next time he thinks I have tptk he open shoves a wider range, making my tptk a much stronger hand. Likewise, maybe I show a bluff because I think there's a good chance it will tilt villain into making mistakes. I only show my hand if I have a good reason to.
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06-12-2012 06:21 PM #3
bikes View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message i roll up Join Date Nov 2007 Posts 6,219 Location house	I don't always show my cards. But when I do, it's because I'm playing live and interested in some luls

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06-12-2012 07:41 PM #4
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06-12-2012 08:02 PM #5
The Bean Counter View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2011 Posts 331	I'll never show unless playing against mates - why give away free information, even when you badly want to show a bluff or the nuts?

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daviddem View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2009 Posts 1,509 Location Philippines/Saudi Arabia	I never show. I rarely show my cards, I only do it if I feel I can manipulate a villain's approach in future hands. Showing you fold AK tptk to a stupid open shove tells him that he can push me off tptk by open shoving. So maybe next time he thinks I have tptk he open shoves a wider range, making my tptk a much stronger hand. Likewise, maybe I show a bluff because I think there's a good chance it will tilt villain into making mistakes. I only show my hand if I have a good reason to. When you do that you also give away information to the rest of the table... high price to pay to influence the play of a single villain imo.
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OngBonga View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 5,304 Location England	What's important to me when showing cards is to know who you shown what to, and have some idea how that information might be perceived, and how they might try to exploit this tendency. When I show my cards, I adjust my game to try and counter expected villain adjustments. Some adjust better than I do, sure, but most of them don't because I play micros and almost everyone is a retard. I doubt I'd be showing bluffs and big folds at 50nl.
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