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Old 07-18-2006, 06:06 PM     Post subject: When the pot is big... #1 (permalink)  
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Folding -- even with a Really Weak Hand -- can be a mistake. Most of you have absorbed this, but do you take it all the way?

PokerStars Game #5600074660: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/07/18 - 14:01:11 (ET)
Table 'Delphinus II' 10-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Selem ($10.55 in chips)
Seat 2: santatraz ($7 in chips)
Seat 4: risko2 ($28.45 in chips)
Seat 5: NuWere ($20 in chips)
Seat 6: don.net ($3.50 in chips)
Seat 7: MarcoMendoza ($1.30 in chips)
Seat 8: sammvp2 ($15.40 in chips)
Seat 9: Muttley36 ($12.70 in chips)
Seat 10: Fjodor_M ($13.15 in chips)
sammvp2: posts small blind $0.10
Muttley36: posts big blind $0.25
TimTolle: sits out
NuWere: posts big blind $0.25
don.net: posts small & big blinds $0.35
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NuWere [Ks 8d]
Fjodor_M: folds
Selem: calls $0.25
santatraz: calls $0.25
risko2: folds
NuWere: checks
don.net: raises $0.25 to $0.50
MarcoMendoza: folds
sammvp2: calls $0.40
Muttley36: folds
Selem: calls $0.25
santatraz: calls $0.25
NuWere: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [8s Jd 2s]
sammvp2: checks
Selem: bets $0.25
santatraz: calls $0.25
NuWere: calls $0.25
don.net: calls $0.25
sammvp2: folds
*** TURN *** [8s Jd 2s] [Qh]
Selem: checks
santatraz: checks
NuWere: checks
don.net: bets $0.50
Selem: folds
santatraz: calls $0.50
NuWere: calls $0.50 Note: this is okay if last-to-act, right?
*** RIVER *** [8s Jd 2s Qh] [Jc]
santatraz: checks
NuWere: checks
don.net: bets $0.50
santatraz: calls $0.50
NuWere: folds
don.net said, "full"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
don.net: shows [Kc Ac] (a pair of Jacks)
santatraz: shows [6h 8h] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
santatraz collected $6.05 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.35 | Rake $0.30
Board [8s Jd 2s Qh Jc]
Seat 1: Selem folded on the Turn
Seat 2: santatraz showed [6h 8h] and won ($6.05) with two pair, Jacks and Eights
Seat 4: risko2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: NuWere folded on the River
Seat 6: don.net showed [Kc Ac] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 7: MarcoMendoza (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sammvp2 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Muttley36 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 10: Fjodor_M folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Old 07-18-2006, 06:30 PM #2 (permalink)  
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NuWere: calls $0.50 Note: this is okay if last-to-act, right?
Raises for info anyone?

You have 5 outs and 1 of them is tainted. You're getting 8.7 to 1 on a roughly 11.5 to 1 call. So, unless you think you can catch your outter and drag a lot of $$ from either of them, you are making a -EV play.
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Old 07-18-2006, 10:31 PM #3 (permalink)  
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raise for info?

You'll only be raising as a pure bluff. I wouldnt ever expect to showdown as a winner, especially if i raise and it gets called.

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Old 07-27-2006, 02:17 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Fold preflop, you don't want to be in a multiway hand with those cards, even if you hit your king you don't know where you are and l either win a small pot or lose abig one (despite of the minraise i would have considered calling with a suited king in late position, for flush value.
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