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Donkafelts
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08-18-2009, 04:10 AM
Post subject: When to NOT c bet
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Straight
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Hey guys i've been grinding up a roll at 2nl, and although i realise c betting every flop in a HU pot is something people will not exploit at 2nl because no one has HUD and no one pays attention, but in general when should i NOT be c betting?
btw please give examples and say something more specific than "when the flop hits their range" 
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Fedora
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3-of-a-Kind
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Well, based on a great article on here, this is almost word for word on what i learnt.
- Be more willing to c-bet when you are in position.
- Be more willing to c-bet when the flop is heads up. In fact you should be c-betting in most cases here, except against loose players whom you know will call.
- Be less willing to c-bet when the flop is multiway. I rarely bet 3 way flops when I miss.
- Be less willing to c-bet flops with a lot of draws. I almost always check a JsTsXc flop when I miss 77, having raised before the flop.
- Be more willing to c-bet when you have outs, (like AK on a QJx board where you have at least a gutshot and tainted overcards).
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philly and the phanatics
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Full House
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dry boards like 552 probably a bad idea, very unlikely to take it down
you want to cbet most ace high flops b/c a lot of people call raises without them and think thats what you have if you raised pre
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Parasurama
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Full House
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Originally Posted by Fedora
Be more willing to c-bet when you are in position.
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agree with the others but idk about this one. Playing in position gives you the privilege of controlling the pot size and action when your opponent checks to you whereas playing oop is such a disadvantage that you often have to keep the initiative to negate it. It is true that your cbets are more likely to get folds when you're in position though.
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Stacks
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4-of-a-Kind
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...highlight=cbet
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kmind
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Straight Flush
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Depends who villains are. But mainly this:
1. cbet if you can for value
2. check/x if you have a showdownable hand and cannot stand pressure
3. cbet if you have "air" with good equity. Equity meaning hand strength as well as FE right now/future streets (this is where double/triple barreling with air becomes profitable)
4. check/fold if you have no showdown and no equity
Some things to consider:
1. Don't ever bet just for protection
2. Check out the forming ranges article by ISF: http://poker-strategy.flopturnriver....g-Ranges-2.php
Oh, and dry boards = great to cbet on because...FE alone. Just wanted to clear that up since I think someone said otherwise.
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
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Prolly should sticky these in the digest
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nish81
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Flush
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Fedora: renton's guides certainly were very helpful to me too 
to the OP: what fedora said. maybe most importantly is to cbet less when it's multiway. also c-betting when you have outs is useful, (i guess this is a semi bluff?) i.e. when you have a flush draw.
and like you mentioned, obv dont c-bet if the flop really hit villains range
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Stacks
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4-of-a-Kind
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It will be nutty.
Also, another way of looking at it is, "When is it correct to bet?". Which obviously the inverse will help you understand times when you shouldn't be cbetting.
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Donkafelts
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Straight
Join Date: Aug 2009
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I dont know. I guess it will develop more at higher limits. As i'm not mentally challenged i understand to c bet less into multi way pots, but i really think i have fold equity in almost every HU pot at 2nl. I will be isolating players like 2 times an orbit and c betting pretty much any flop and they still fold to 80%+ of c bets. Then again it is 2nl, and thats why im getting like 43PTBB/100 (small small sample)
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Stacks
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Donkafelts
I dont know. I guess it will develop more at higher limits. As i'm not mentally challenged i understand to c bet less into multi way pots, but i really think i have fold equity in almost every HU pot at 2nl. I will be isolating players like 2 times an orbit and c betting pretty much any flop and they still fold to 80%+ of c bets. Then again it is 2nl, and thats why im getting like 43PTBB/100 (small small sample)
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It may be profitable to cbet every flop at 2nl; however, that doesn't mean it's the most profitable way to play. Sometimes, you might have fold equity, but them folding isn't the best result. Sometimes it's better to check back the flop, keeping villain's range wide, in order to gain a bet, or two, from bluffs/weaker hands on later streets.
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ThisFord
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Great Topic...I love this site for the learning topics from all the players of different experience levels!
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