Originally Posted by Checkways

Of course, it depends on the number of callers, the flop, and the players involved, but... How often should a person do it?

Aren't you somewhat obligated to bet? I see so many weak players raise preflop, then check when all rags come out. It screams AK and now unless an A or K hits turn or river, they've lost the pot.

It also empowers the button to bluff you out with his/her lesser hand.

Do you guys have certain rules for yourself when u hold AK and the flop comes rags? Is there are a certain number of callers that you require to keep you from bluffing the flop? Heads up you have to bet, right?

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

It's called a continuation bet and I will always make one unless it's 4 people to the flop or I'm certain I could check raise an aggro op behind me.

-'rilla

Originally Posted by moiraine57

I dunno about doing this all the time.

It always cracks me up when the board comes down 2-4-7 offsuit and the PFR fires off another bet. I will often re-raise, especially if I was in a blind and could have been playing any garbage. His raise on the flop in this situation screams continuation bet.

Originally Posted by bair

and then when he reraises you? then what? you raising his bet screams bluff more than his continuation bet. and only half the time will it truly be a continuation bet, the other half it will be a pocket pair. either way you will lose with a lesser hand against an experienced player

Originally Posted by moiraine57

Bair, either your experience playing poker is completely different from mine, or you totally misunderstood my post.

I am not advocating calling a huge pre-flop raise by a tight player with garbage, and the playing back at the PFR with garbage when he fires out another enormous bet.

What I am talking about is a situation like this: a loose PFR makes a small raise. At that point, say you are in the BB with a decent hand, and you call. The flop comes down rags, and it doesn't hit you, but you still have a decent hand, and you'd like to see more cards. You check. The PFR makes a continuation bet. Check-raise his ass. In my experience, he will usually fold. If he calls, fine. You have a decent playable hand. If he goes over the top, fold.

Will this work at super high stakes hold em? Probably not. Will it give you a decent chance of winning the pot right there at the levels that I and many others play at on this forum? Yes.

As a side benefit, it has the tendency to slow down that annoying LAGgy guy at the table.

Do you disagree?

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

It's called a continuation bet and I will always make one unless it's 4 people to the flop or I'm certain I could check raise an aggro op behind me.

-'rilla

Originally Posted by loanhorse

I agree with bair. Why risk your chips with a check raise. Play it safe. I am not gonna contest a player who has position on me. What if he calls my raise? He has position on me, so im left with a tough decision of what to do on the turn. I am not gonna waste my chips to see if hes bluffing or not. Fancy moves like your talking about are high in risk and low in reward.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

It's called a continuation bet and I will always make one unless it's 4 people to the flop or I'm certain I could check raise an aggro op behind me.

-'rilla

Originally Posted by Checkways

That pretty much what I do too if I'm out of position. But man, I can't help myself when the first three or four people have already checked to me. The problem is that they know I'm going to bet and then they raise me or call me with meager holdings because they know I probably won't do a follow up bluff. I'm trying not to autobet when I'm the preflop raiser. But so many times I just scoop the pot when I do.

Originally Posted by moiraine57

Bair, either your experience playing poker is completely different from mine, or you totally misunderstood my post.

I am not advocating calling a huge pre-flop raise by a tight player with garbage, and the playing back at the PFR with garbage when he fires out another enormous bet.

Originally Posted by loanhorse

I agree with bair. Why risk your chips with a check raise. Play it safe. I am not gonna contest a player who has position on me. What if he calls my raise? He has position on me, so im left with a tough decision of what to do on the turn. I am not gonna waste my chips to see if hes bluffing or not. Fancy moves like your talking about are high in risk and low in reward.

Originally Posted by loanhorse

Raising in early position with QJ was your first mistake. I would maybe limp in and hope to see a cheap flop, but most of the time im folding it. Forget the whole concept of a continuation bet when there are alot of people in the pot and you have a bad hand. The move is high in risk and low in reward.

Should of listened to yourself. After the turn you check a good move. Yet on the river, you feel too tempted by the pot size to toss your hand so you go all in and lose it all. Thats why once someones calls your continuation bet and you have crap your done with the hand. Your opponent was smart enough to realize you had nothing and checked it on 4th street, to project weakness. Only time I might bet again would be a 1/3 pot sized bet on river if i thought he was on a draw and missed.