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Old 07-16-2006, 02:57 PM     Post subject: What's your move? #1 (permalink)  
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Hand #32811801-19882 at Forked River (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 16/Jul/06 03:48:47

ProJecTX is at seat 0 with $18.68.
downdragon is at seat 1 with $4.35.
spinny612000 is at seat 2 with $4.90.
MelvinVanHorn is at seat 3 with $3.92.
vanloon is at seat 4 with $9.60.
andy609 is at seat 5 with $28.75.
USC Trojans 3 is at seat 6 with $28.52.
King Loser is at seat 7 with $2.11.
licksalot is at seat 8 with $4.50.
mith is at seat 9 with $30.10.
The button is at seat 0.

downdragon posts the small blind of $.05.
spinny612000 posts the big blind of $.10.

ProJecTX: -- --
downdragon: -- --
spinny612000: -- --
MelvinVanHorn: -- --
vanloon: -- --
andy609: Qc Ac
USC Trojans 3: -- --
King Loser: -- --
licksalot: -- --
mith: -- --

Pre-flop:

MelvinVanHorn folds. vanloon folds. andy609 raises
to $.40. USC Trojans 3 folds. King Loser folds.
licksalot folds. mith calls. ProJecTX folds.
downdragon folds. spinny612000 folds.

Flop (board: As 4c Kh):

andy609 bets $.75. mith raises to $2.25. andy609
re-raises to $6.25. mith re-raises to $12.25.

andy609 ????

Villian is an extreme lag, 58/20 with an aggression factor of 4. This was not my first opportunity to 5-bet against him.
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Old 07-16-2006, 02:59 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 How often did he 4-bet as a bluff in the past?
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Old 07-16-2006, 03:15 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I would have just called his re-raise rather than 3betting it.

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Old 07-16-2006, 03:20 PM #4 (permalink)  
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How often did he 4-bet as a bluff in the past?
None that I know of. I was 3-tabling, so I could have missed it easily. The only hands that beat me here are 44, KK, AA and AK. 44 is the only realisitc possibility I think because he wasn't playing anything slow before the flop.
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Old 07-16-2006, 03:40 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 either call and c/r all in (if you think ur good) or 3 bet and fold to anymore action beyond that. Its conceivable he has a set AK/A4 here.
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How often did he 4-bet as a bluff in the past?
None that I know of. I was 3-tabling, so I could have missed it easily. The only hands that beat me here are 44, KK, AA and AK. 44 is the only realisitc possibility I think because he wasn't playing anything slow before the flop.
A4s? K4s? at 10nl I wouldn't doubt it.
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 Theres no reason to threebet this flop, even against this player. You are way ahead or way behind, and there really aren't that many scare cards that can come.

The flop bet three bet is a play that should only be used to protect a vulnerable but strong hand from a draw, or to get a made hand paid that you don't want your opponent to see scare cards on later streets and get away from.

Your situation doesn't represent either of these scenarios, so you are basically making your villain (a horrible player) play more and more perfectly against you with each raise you put in.
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Old 07-16-2006, 04:12 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Alright. Maybe I'm being results-oriented, but what ended up happening was that I ran out of time about a tenth of a second before clicking all-in. He had 43 offsuit.
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