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ArcadianRock
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04-22-2009, 05:30 PM
Post subject: What's your $ per hour?
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I thought it would be interesting to see this as I want to see if most people are making at least minimum wage multi-tabling at their level.
I haven't played enough hands as of right now to really guess but I would say 7ptbb/100 is pretty typical for me right now at $10NL. So I multitable 9 tables at a time at around 50 hands an hour average so...
$1.40 per 100 hands. 400 hands an hour...
$5.60 an hour for me...
Once I get my new monitor I'll be doing 12 so that will raise to about minimum wage for me.
What about you guys?
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04-22-2009, 07:18 PM
Post subject: Re: What's your $ per hour?
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Originally Posted by ArcadianRock
I thought it would be interesting to see this as I want to see if most people are making at least minimum wage multi-tabling at their level.
I haven't played enough hands as of right now to really guess but I would say 7ptbb/100 is pretty typical for me right now at $10NL. So I multitable 9 tables at a time at around 50 hands an hour average so...
$1.40 per 100 hands. 400 hands an hour...
$5.60 an hour for me...
Once I get my new monitor I'll be doing 12 so that will raise to about minimum wage for me.
What about you guys?
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I am starting to believe that the single best piece of advice for any better-than-average poker player who wants to make money at the game is "get a sufficient bankroll and play live".
Seriously, I play mostly live limit, 8/16 and 9/18, a fair amount of 15/30, 20/40, and, on occasion, 3/6 and 4/8, and I do better than you guys are doing by several magnitudes. And I am very aware from reading the posts in the forum that I am not nearly as good a poker player as many of the FTR regulars. A lot of you guys could crush the games that I play.
The gold is in the casinos, where players play too many hands because they get bored playing tight-aggressive, and where 1/2 the players at any given table are not really processing information about the other players or aware of basic issues like position.
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ArcadianRock
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Wait, Law if you're playing 20/40 live, why are you playing micro limits online?
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Wait, Law if you're playing 20/40 live, why are you playing micro limits online?
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Because I basically play online poker only for practice and as a diversion. If I wanted to play at the limits I am used to playing live, I would have to become a much, much better poker player (there are very few fish at medium-high limits online), plus pay very, very close attention (as I do at live tables) when I play online. I don't think I could beat online poker at anything above the micro limits, and it isn't worth it for me to try. Also, I kind of like the social aspect of live poker.
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Wait, Law if you're playing 20/40 live, why are you playing micro limits online?
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Because live is different than online. Although online skills map better to live than live maps to online.
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amir is cool
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Wait, Law if you're playing 20/40 live, why are you playing micro limits online?
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there are some people at live games who don't know that a flush beats a straight.
you'll never see that above 5NL online.
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Wait, Law if you're playing 20/40 live, why are you playing micro limits online?
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there are some people at live games who don't know that a flush beats a straight.
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It's not quite that bad, but the fundamental principle of live poker is that lots of live players cannot bring themselves to play a tight aggressive game because they find it boring. Whereas online, you can mitigate that by multitabling or multitasking (not that I recommend the latter if you are trying to seriously make money)-- plus since you play more hands per hour online, you will see playable hands more often anyway.
So, at any given casino, you can usually find poker games with people playing suspect hands and putting almost dead money into the pot. This allows a good player to both play fundamental poker and chase draws with positive expected value speculative hands (such as suited connectors). It also means that you can at least sometimes force players out of the pot in no limit games with pure aggression, because villains missed the flop. (In limit games, often lots of players call you down, which means that when you hit your big hand you are generally going to be paid off well.)
There are also other aspects of live poker that make it profitable, such as (1) drunk players, (2) talkative players who aren't paying enough attention to the hands, and (3) players who don't process information about other players, especially in hands that they do not play.
It's a wonderful world that a good player can exploit.
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Not to mention live players wear their tells better than their clothes. Live fish are awful. Playing 1/2 live is equal to 1c/2c online. Kinda begs the question of why don't we get our butts to the local card room more often eh?
And as for the OP's question, I wouldn't focus too much on $/hr at these levels. Just play good poker, the money will follow. I don't even check my bankroll any more since I'm in the green and I don't plan on cashing out any time soon.
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How many feeps per hour at live gaem?
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So you click their picture and then you get their money?
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04-23-2009, 01:04 AM
Post subject: Re: What's your $ per hour?
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Originally Posted by ArcadianRock
I thought it would be interesting to see this as I want to see if most people are making at least minimum wage multi-tabling at their level.
I haven't played enough hands as of right now to really guess but I would say 7ptbb/100 is pretty typical for me right now at $10NL. So I multitable 9 tables at a time at around 50 hands an hour average so...
$1.40 per 100 hands. 400 hands an hour...
$5.60 an hour for me...
Once I get my new monitor I'll be doing 12 so that will raise to about minimum wage for me.
What about you guys?
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lol, 9 tables is 400 hands an hour? I get 500 hands an hour 6 tabling 6m
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Not to mention live players wear their tells better than their clothes. Live fish are awful. Playing 1/2 live is equal to 1c/2c online. Kinda begs the question of why don't we get our butts to the local card room more often eh?
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If you can get your shit together and play bigger, the play is still pretty terrible and more often the table texture is such that you have tight players mixed in so you can isolate + destroy the couple fish at the table.
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How many feeps per hour at live gaem?
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lol kingnat.
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It's not quite that bad, but the fundamental principle of live poker is that lots of live players cannot bring themselves to play a tight aggressive game because they find it boring. Whereas online, you can mitigate that by multitabling or multitasking (not that I recommend the latter if you are trying to seriously make money)-- plus since you play more hands per hour online, you will see playable hands more often anyway.
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That's why i cant play live.... well, the fact no casinos run limit games around here also helps... But i'm just too used to play so many hands per hour multitabling that i just lose all concentration and get bored in a live game
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Airles™
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Originally Posted by LawDude
It's not quite that bad, but the fundamental principle of live poker is that lots of live players cannot bring themselves to play a tight aggressive game because they find it boring. Whereas online, you can mitigate that by multitabling or multitasking (not that I recommend the latter if you are trying to seriously make money)-- plus since you play more hands per hour online, you will see playable hands more often anyway.
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That's why i cant play live.... well, the fact no casinos run limit games around here also helps... But i'm just too used to play so many hands per hour multitabling that i just lose all concentration and get bored in a live game |
That's why they put flat screens on the walls... start placing some bets with the sportsbook and keep one eye on the table and the other on the big game. At least you'll feel like you're multi-tasking.
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The solution to getting 1 outered is a simple one. We just need to find the site that is the least rigged.
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It's not quite that bad, but the fundamental principle of live poker is that lots of live players cannot bring themselves to play a tight aggressive game because they find it boring. Whereas online, you can mitigate that by multitabling or multitasking (not that I recommend the latter if you are trying to seriously make money)-- plus since you play more hands per hour online, you will see playable hands more often anyway.
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That's why i cant play live.... well, the fact no casinos run limit games around here also helps... But i'm just too used to play so many hands per hour multitabling that i just lose all concentration and get bored in a live game |
I find poker play interesting, even when I am not involved. Obviously, it can be fun to watch it on TV. But it also can be interesting to watch what other players are doing at the table in the hands you aren't playing, try and pick up their betting patterns, any physical tells, put them on hands and ranges, pick up bluffs, etc.
Indeed, I think that is the single biggest advantage I bring to a live poker table-- I am genuinely "into" the game, whereas other players are only paying attention when it is their turn to act, watching television, ordering or eating food, drinking, talking to friends, talking on cellphones and texting, etc.
But if you can train yourself to be interested in the decisions that other people are making, I find it is easy enough to be more patient and wait for the proper situations to make your plays.
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Yeah, totally I try to put people on ranges when I'm not in the hand
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ArcadianRock
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Not that I'm trying to hijack the thread but...what's everyone's $ per hour?
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LawDude
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Not that I'm trying to hijack the thread but...what's everyone's $ per hour?
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According to my trusty spiral notebook, last month I played 80 hours of live poker, about 50 percent of it was 9/18, the rest a mix of 20/40, 15/30, 8/16, 4/8, and 3/6, and I made about $1,800. So I am running about $22 / hour right now.
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Not that I'm trying to hijack the thread but...what's everyone's $ per hour?
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According to my trusty spiral notebook, last month I played 80 hours of live poker, about 50 percent of it was 9/18, the rest a mix of 20/40, 15/30, 8/16, 4/8, and 3/6, and I made about $1,800. So I am running about $22 / hour right now. |
lol, I make more at NL50 
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you can only play 1 table live though, right?
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Not that I'm trying to hijack the thread but...what's everyone's $ per hour?
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lol, it is your thread and your original question. That does not sound like a hijack! ^_^
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you can only play 1 table live though, right?
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right, and you pay 10% rake at the lower limits which is barf
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I've recently started playing online poker but have been playing live poker for a while now. 1/2 live is pure GARBAGE. I'd probably equate it to 10NL (I forgot what people here equate it to). I wouldn't equate it to 2NL (respectfully disagreeing with Airles) being that players in 2NL are almost literally throwing their money into pots with nothing. Players at 1/2 are a bit better than that (give them SOME credit). I go to the casinos every once in a while to make some money (to pay off bills or drink alcohol). My $/hr is obviously higher at the casinos than it is online (I'm at 5NL online).
However, I am focusing my attention on online play. WHY!?!? I can make so much more money in the casinos! Well, first off, I don't learn much live. I see too few hands to really learn anything. Secondly, the point of grinding the microstakes is to GET to 100NL and 200NL where you can make more $/hr than at the casino.
And Arcadian...to answer your question: I haven't even looked and don't really want to look just yet. It makes no difference and my game has been swingy lately so my answer would have no base to it.
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That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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Not that I'm trying to hijack the thread but...what's everyone's $ per hour?
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According to my trusty spiral notebook, last month I played 80 hours of live poker, about 50 percent of it was 9/18, the rest a mix of 20/40, 15/30, 8/16, 4/8, and 3/6, and I made about $1,800. So I am running about $22 / hour right now. |
lol, I make more at NL50 |
Yeah, but bear in mind, I am nothing more than decent and play mostly limit. If some of FTR's better no limit players, like stacks and spenda, tried live poker with an adequate bankroll, they could make a killing.
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ArcadianRock
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26 posts...no answers...never mind
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About $6 an hour this month running bad at 5NL and sngs $1.20s to $6.50s.
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I play four tables of 10NL and make about $8 an hour.
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I answered. $22 per hour last month.
Just to show you how variance works, though, this past week I ran hot. Played 23 hours last week. Won $2,990. So my rate was $130 / hour.
Don't expect to keep this up though. 
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*goes looking for the nearest casino*
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Running 16bb/100 (8ptbb/100) over 28k hands at 10nl playing 500 hands an hour, so roughly $8/hr, but yea like others have said, totally not important right now. I'll start keeping track at 25nl 
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LOL i am makin about 20cents an hour the rate im goin right now
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Live play is better with higher limits, especially NL where visual info is so valuable. Online, you can captilize the multiple effect with SNG and limit holdem playing ABC poker and grind out consistent returns. Since most casinos around North America cater to NL, alot of fishes are forced to play NL without too many choices.
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$.40 per hour at 2NL over my first 3200 hands. Currently running at just under 8BB/100.
Damn, I should build my BR by working at McDonald's.
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I'll get back to you with 100NL results when I get some hands in
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